4th Gen Female Top Vocalists!

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    Tier:

    AA -- Above Average

    A -- Average

    W-A -- Weak to Average


    AA: Pink Fantasy's Yechan.

    My thoughts: Pink Fantasy is a nugu group which has a good vocal foundation surprisingly. I like that this group has some older members, with Yechan being a 1995 liner. She's had vocal training for a very long time and it's shown in Awesome Babies or whatever group she was in before. I think she's been straining a lot recently, she's regressed from her past and she's been showing signs of exhaustion, G#3~B4/C5~E5 is probably her range as discussed, and while her nasality has increased, she's easily still the best 4th gen kpop vocalist, when she redebuted in 2018. She's a mid AA, and if she works on developing her issues, she can improve. She has nodules and sings with hoarseness at times. She does have a well developed lower better than Monday and Ningning both.




    Cusp of AA and A: Weekly's Monday **

    My thoughts: Weekly is a group with a big imbalance in vocal levels, and Monday stood out for her technique. There's a lot of debate between Monday and Ningning and who's better but I feel like it's a long time from now until we'd truly know as we need more vocal content from Ningning. Monday has a good mix, especially as shown in her covers. Her mix has a habit to go nasal and there are some phrased C5s that carried support but there were some others that were nasal or tight in her KOMS performances and songs. Her mix is probably from around F4 to G#4, however she can be inconsistent and have small issues. She reminds me of Yuju when she tries to keep the bright sound. She has a good head voice and good lows. She is quite good as a standout vocalist however she may need to work on her harmonies, as she loses her good breath support there.



    Cusp of AA and A: Aespa's Ningning**

    My thoughts: When Aespa debuted, I suspected all 4 could support, and I was correct with Ningning standing out as the best vocalist in the group by far. She's been compared to Bada for her tone, and I do see the similarities, especially with nasality. Ningning has better agility than Bada, and a willingness to control her runs. Ningning has shown good support with C5s, and if she shows a connected head voice, it would put her on AA for sure, as she has shown signs of having a strong head voice in her Lena Park cover. Ningning's support and development in B4~C#5 is much more than an "average" vocalist however she has only sang with a light approach so I can't judge her mix as well, she has the potential to be stronger. She needs to work on her nasality and breathiness at times, along with her connection in her head voice. Good lows as well.



    A:

    Now this one I will break up into like several categories:

    A: IZ*One's Yuri

    A vocalist who surprised me once she debuted, Yuri is the only strong vocalist in IZ*One and has shown a lot more than she has been given credit for. Yuri has a clean mix with good support upto the B4 but she has a habit of pushing her B4s and above. She has a habit of singing outside of her supported range, not a very smart vocalist. She gets underestimated because she has always sung with a lighter approach tbh. She also has a habit of lowering her larynx as she gets lower which isn't a great habit to have. Only supports down to Bb3. Struggles with inconsistency at times. (Any IZONE fans who know more can tell me about her approach recently????)




    A: Purple Kiss's Goeun

    Goeun is the strongest vocalist in Purple Kiss by far, and since her PD48 days, has been showcasing her sense of support. While Purple Kiss is a newer group, they have a lot of content I have been watching for their vocals. She has support until B4/Bb4 according to her covers. She has a habit of dropping support at A3, which is great for a soprano. She does have the trademarks of a traditional "average" vocalist and I like her consistency across her covers.




    A: Nature's Sohee

    I haven't heard enough of her yet unfortunately, but she also reminds me of Yuri in the sense she has support up to B4 and she actually seems to have less pushing tendencies than Yuri. A REALLY good average. I haven't heard many talk about her.



    A: Fromis_9's Jiwon

    Someone asked me about Jiwon and I spent 2 hours tracking down material for her since idol school. Whoever told me about her was correct, as that she has regressed but still deserves a top spot here. Fromis is one of the better vocal groups these days and Jiwon is easily the best in her group. Her lower support is very good with some F#3s



    A: BVNDIT's Jungwoo

    BVNDIT is the 4th best vocal group so far besides duos like Lunarsolar, with an average main vocalist in Jungwoo. It's Jungwoo > Simyeong > rest. Simyeong is super inconsistent though. Songhee has potential. Her pitch could be better at times as her technique doesn't really allow for her higher notes to be that good. She does have an average understanding of support. She has great A4s and ok transitions. She supports up to B4, but again not a great sense of pitch, similar to a weaker TWICE's Jihyo.



    A: CRAXY's Swan

    Very impressed with her as well in CRAXY. She has great support through Bb4 but can get tense and pushy with her notes like C#5 which are unsupported. Again with the 3rd gen comparisons, she reminds me of Seunghee, with a good grounded approach however the way she is singing is often hard for her and around the end she does tend to fall a bit flat and unsupported. She needs to work on being clean and relaxed. She's had some rare nice C#5 moments.



    A: PRISTIN's Sungyeon

    Are they considered 4th gen? Anyways Sungyeon was a great vocalist, her note seperation was great, her tone + support were good, however she had a habit of shouting out high notes like TWICE's Jihyo and Loona's Chuu. She had a consistent sense of support and so much potential. I literally cried for Sungyeon once they disbanded. I was hoping she'd improve like her labelmate Raina.



    Mid A: Dreamcatcher's Yoohyeon (yeah this has been discussed before in other places so I'm not spending too much time)



    Lower A: Cherry Bullet's Haeyoon

    A famous singer since PD48, I underestimated her in PD48 because she sang in her higher range a lot which is not great. All her high notes were pretty strained with a few nasality issues. She has tongue tension. I think Haeyoon supports okay making her average however there is some debate here about how supported it is. A very pretty tone but also quite airy at times, especially with the falsetto. She improved a bit from PD48.



    Low A: Lightsum's Nayoung

    I've been very impressed with her in her Lightsum debut video, she showed that she had a grasp of support which was very different from her PD48 days where I was convinced she was a weak vocalist. Granted it's light, but it's there with the proper phrasing to show it. It's great as gidle didn't use vocal trainers, clc didn't have great standout vocalists (still love them) and she's improved well. I want to hear more singing as now she's kinda in the lower place of average and some consider her a strong weak-to-average



    Strong W-A: Secret Number's Denise

    Denise has so much potential but she is very inconsistent. When she was predebut she had such a nice G#4 that showed she has a very nice lower range which is quite good, especially in these days. She doesn't support that well, Her Bb4s/B4s aren't that bad, so I do hope she can go up. There's an unfocused quality where she's struggling to round out her notes properly for support and that gets in her way. G3ish-A4/Bb4. She doesn't engage her breath support properly so that's a big thing to work on. She's not shallow unlike others here so I really think her problem is her breath.



    W-A: GWSN's Seoryoung/Lena

    The best vocalist in GWSN is Seoryoung, who doesn't really get supported because of her visuals but she is a nice weak-to-average vocalist. She's struggling with her pitch and placement, but she does have some support until B4, and she has potential with her skills. GWSN's Lena is also a ok vocalist with a nice sense of support but she needs to work on her confidence.

    Any others added?

    POTENTIAL STRONG VOCALISTS:

    Heo Yunjin!

    The second best vocalist in PD48, although she wasn't amazing, she had a better grasp of support on Bb4s and was the strongest on B4s, however was quite pushy above and could not sustain C5s and C#5s. I think there was another vocalist better who got eliminated at first round. Also debuting in HYBE continuing the tradition of nice main vocals.

  • Heo Yunjin!

    The second best vocalist in PD48, although she wasn't amazing, she had a better grasp of support on Bb4s and was the strongest on B4s, however was quite pushy above and could not sustain C5s and C#5s. I think there was another vocalist better who got eliminated at first round. Also debuting in HYBE continuing the tradition of nice main vocals.

    Who do u think is the best vocalist during pd48 btw :pinky-huh:

       

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  • Interesting post!


    I don't watch most of the others but as a fan of Weeekly and Purple Kiss, Monday and Goeun definitely are strong. What do you think of Purple Kiss' Chaein? Maybe not rank her but just your opinion. I don't know for the rest but from their vocal covers, I think she has strong vocal projection and stability.


    Note: Can you put spaces between the different paragraphs because what you says is definitely interesting but it looks nearly unreadable as one!

  • If IU isn't on the list, then this is all a lie.

  • Interesting post!


    I don't watch most of the others but as a fan of Weeekly and Purple Kiss, Monday and Goeun definitely are strong. What do you think of Purple Kiss' Chaein? Maybe not rank her but just your opinion. I don't know for the rest but from their vocal covers, I think she has strong vocal projection and stability.


    Note: Can you put spaces between the different paragraphs because what you says is definitely interesting but it looks nearly unreadable as one!

    I did not realize it looked so bad...thanks for the spacing tip.


    Chaein honestly comes off as quite underdeveloped, she's putting power but it's falling flat at times because she doesn't know how to support her breath. She's shallow at times but in like their Disney Song Medley she didn't even have that. Her and Jieun have the best potential aside from the main vocalists. Jieun has surprisingly randomly supported a couple times but again not consistent.


    Again I was happy with Monday because PlayM don't really have great vocal trainers, and Eunji HERSELF was a vocal trainer before she debuted with Apink, which was quite shocking and showed in the big disparity in vocals. I was happy with her skills because it means the vocals are better than I thought. Soeun too has quite some potential.

  • Do you think there’s a huge gap between goeun and swan(purple kiss)? Honestly I prefer swan more than goeun. And what about bora? I think people hype her vocal more than haeyoon



    Goeun and Swan? Yes. I'm a Swan bias but I'm going to unabashedly admit I liked her a ton in Purple Kiss because her tone is very young Bom. She's had some moments of support but she's very stylistic, her tongue tension is causing problems with her and support, her pronunciation isn't helping her. Besides Goeun who is pretty nice, all of Purple Kiss has problems with their lower registers, which are quite underdeveloped, so I am assuming this is the vocal coaches. To get support she needs to open up that mouth and fix the tongue so she's a stronger W-A but behind like Denise. The thing is that Swan has a very good sense of musicality so I think she's being encouraged to not learn proper habits in order to sound good. That's why you (and I) prefer her haha!




    Ah Bora. She's a big question mark of mine. In early Cherry Bullet it was easily Haeyoon > Bora >>> Mirae/Ella. The gap between Haeyoon and Bora isn't big but that's not really a good thing. Bora is also stylistic however she seems to have a better sense of pitch and sound better, but she's even worse with support than Haeyoon (granted she takes a soft approach) so I have been keeping an eye out for her in Gp999 but the show is so heavily post-edited it's harder for me to see if she's improved. The gap isn't big.




    Before any GP99 people come and ask, the best vocalists on the show are Chaehyun and the Chinese contestents Wang Yale and Roada Xu Ziyin but Xu Ziyin is quite messy but has the high notes thing so she's probably a strong weak-to-average (granted opera doesn't lend well to classical technique), Yale a bit stronger but she has worse issues with pronounciation-- Chaehyun is a surprise. I thought she couldn't support well but she's had some okay B4s, and I think she could be a low average for now. If she has this new performance down, she's a higher A. She does struggle with pitch. None of the Japanese contestants support strongly as the norm with Japanese idols.

  • Hwang Yeji, but not much of a difference and she's now an actress.

    I guess you meant Hong? The Hwang Yeji is in Itzy, lol.

    Before any GP99 people come and ask, the best vocalists on the show are Chaehyun and the Chinese contestents Wang Yale and Roada Xu Ziyin but Xu Ziyin is quite messy but has the high notes thing so she's probably a strong weak-to-average (granted opera doesn't lend well to classical technique), Yale a bit stronger but she has worse issues with pronounciation-- Chaehyun is a surprise. I thought she couldn't support well but she's had some okay B4s, and I think she could be a low average for now. If she has this new performance down, she's a higher A. She does struggle with pitch. None of the Japanese contestants support strongly as the norm with Japanese idols.

    I was just about to ask, lol, ty. What about Jiyoon?

  • Before any GP99 people come and ask, the best vocalists on the show are Chaehyun and the Chinese contestents Wang Yale and Roada Xu Ziyin but Xu Ziyin is quite messy but has the high notes thing so she's probably a strong weak-to-average (granted opera doesn't lend well to classical technique), Yale a bit stronger but she has worse issues with pronounciation-- Chaehyun is a surprise. I thought she couldn't support well but she's had some okay B4s, and I think she could be a low average for now. If she has this new performance down, she's a higher A. She does struggle with pitch. None of the Japanese contestants support strongly as the norm with Japanese idols.

    That’s a surprise. I always thought jiyoon is the best in gp999

  • That’s a surprise. I always thought jiyoon is the best in gp999

    That is a big assumption! The thing is that Jiyoon has VERY strong stage presence compared to the other main vocals (except Yeyoung but she got dirty by the people who dressed her like a backup dancer in Popstars) however if you look at her technique she is very choppy (she has a habit of cutting a syllable before she ends it which means she has no support or very little. That's a big problem especially with belting songs as she's trying to inflate her voice to make it sound big, not the correct technique. Hyelim has the cutting problem too. If Chaehyun shows more and debuts I'll put her on my top 4th gen vocalists list.

  • That’s a surprise. I always thought jiyoon is the best in gp999

    Oh also I wanted to add Chaehyun suffers from the fact that she doesn't have a super strong high range so hitting high notes with the correct technique may be harder but she is a better vocalist than say Bora, like the IOI situation. The final lineup will probably have her + another main vocalist that can hit high notes.

  • Just replied to someone about Jiyoon.

    Yeah, just saw it, thanks. I guess I also got carried away by her stage presence and overrated her a bit, but still surprising that you did not place Bora in the top 3 ngl - but I saw your points. Btw, you said that Ziyin is a strong W-A and Chaehyun is a low A for now, where would you place Yale then - low A or strong W-A? Ziyin seems to have the same problems as on YWY2 (in the un-edited versions) - breathing and instability, that's why I rated her around top 4-5 on the YWY despite everyone saying that she is the best\second best.


    Where would you place Yaning among the GP999 trainees btw? Granted she did not really sing much on the show - a bit on The Eve and now a bit more on MITM.

  • Oh also I wanted to add Chaehyun suffers from the fact that she doesn't have a super strong high range so hitting high notes with the correct technique may be harder but she is a better vocalist than say Bora, like the IOI situation. The final lineup will probably have her + another main vocalist that can hit high notes.

    What do you mean by ioi situation? Oh btw don’t you think shana is good?

  • Yeah, just saw it, thanks. I guess I also got carried away by her stage presence and overrated her a bit, but still a bit surprising that you did not place Bora in the top 3 ngl - but I saw your points. Btw, you said that Ziyin is a strong W-A and Chaehyun is a low A for now, where would you place Yale then - low A or strong W-A? Ziyin seems to have the same problems as on YWY2 (in the un-edited versions) - breathing and instability, that's why I rated her around top 4-5 on the YWY despite everyone saying that she is the best\second best.


    Where would you place Yaning among the GP999 trainees btw? Granted she did not really sing much on the show - a bit on The Eve and now a bit more on MITM.

    Besides Chaehyun Yale and Ziyin everyone else on the show is a W-A or W so Bora is technically in the top 5. Her and Choi Yeyoung --> Jiyoon/Hyelim --> others. It's basically splitting matches.


    Okay so Chaehyun is easily the strongest with classical technique, her videos and Black Mamba performance shows she has some problems with pitch and pushing but she can hit B4s/Bb4s which would make her an average (if you scroll up) on the likes of Jungwoo or stronger as she has the "SM" clean approach.


    The thing about the Chinese contestents is that classical technique does them kinda dirty, especially Yale and Ziyin. Yale is using a very operatic head voice which is not a thing really seen in classical vocal rankings like this, but she's been very trained as that's almost impossible to maintain by itself. She has less consistency issues than Xu Ziyin so I'd put her at an average over like Park Haeyoon. Her pronounciation isn't as good so I am expecting she'll somehow get eliminated as Korean is pretty important.


    Now Xu Ziyin: I've said this before but the best vocalists were Xu Xinwen and Juicy Zhou in YWY, and the thing with her as she's very inconsistent. She's had some quite average moments where she'd be a low average and some very W-A moments. She pushes at B4, which is not great, and her head voice is not developed at all. Her tone is "magical" and that's her nasality coming out. She can hit high notes but she strains easily. I see breathiness with the opera influences. She's stronger than Bora as she's had better A4s and some great B4s but not by much.


    Yaning? She can sing, and she's a very strong allrounder, easily the best in C group in terms of allroundness. She's never had vocal training though, she's softer with no support like Jiyoon and tends to mimic the cover of whoever she's doing. MITM is a great song for her as 4-5 of ITZY are in the same capability area.

    Her tone is nice and she has good stability while dancing, so she's the kind of person who can sing, but can't take on a super challenging role and do it with proper technique. She has chest power so I think she can sing loudly. (She'd strain though)

    Cute song she did

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