Is china the reason for sm and yg success?
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Except Chinese fans were buying albums before that too.
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Check gaon retail chart, it shows offline korean stores sales
http://mobile.gaonchart.co.kr/…etail.gaon?time_type=year
https://www.allkpop.com/articl…of-new-retail-album-chart
BP The Album sold around 600k
NCT Dream Hot Sauce sold 1M+,no other group besides BTS could reach that amount recently
So it's not cbars doing most of the work, their kfandom is the strongest right now along Seventeen and BTS. They all sell really well in korean stores and their popularity is well distributed in many countries
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I think that if you use the math you must be learning in school and take BP total sales and decrease by the reported Chinese ones you will..... Wait ... A little more... See that they would still be selling more than any other gg... Album wise saying obviously.
But I have faith that math won't be just an accessory to you and that you will use it for good!!
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The Album has nearly 900k sales that aren't from C-BLINKs. Give them like a year and they'll definitely be a million seller without them if that makes you happy.
Honestly Chinese fandoms probably make up at least 10% of every groups albums each comeback anyway.
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I think Cbars contributed around 500k to BP's total.
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Partially yes
For THE ALBUM, it's Chinese sales are 500K out of the almost 1.4M it has accumulated in total sales
For their next album, the Chinese bars might end up buying upwards of 800K-900K albums
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Koreans criticize Chinese idols but they contribute a lot to their group's success.
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why does this matter exactly? so done with people trying to downplay china sales/popularity and all the veiled xenophobia.
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it's more than 1M though like 1.2 M
let me check the exact amount
External Content twitter.comContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.Chinese bars only contributed 500K copies the rest are Kblinks and international fans
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People in this thread are so insecure haha
Of course China fans helped a lot.
Exo recent comeback got carried by Chinese fans
BP Chinese fans bought 1/3 from Blackpink lastest album.
Nct dream Yt views without ads are average, their digital sales are average, their Spotify streams are below average, they are nowhere in the BB200 but they sold almost 2M its easy to see where the sales are coming.
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People in this thread are so insecure haha
Of course China fans helped a lot.
Exo recent comeback got carried by Chinese fans
BP Chinese fans bought 1/3 from Blackpink lastest album.
Nct dream Yt views without ads are average, their digital sales are average, their Spotify streams are below average, they are nowhere in the BB200 but they sold almost 2M its easy to see where the sales are coming.
I know it's your brand to belittle any group that isn't your faves but just fyi, nct dream can't chart on Billboard because they don't have distribution in the US, so they aren't in the same position as nct 127 and nct 2020, whose albums were distributed there due to 127 contract with Capitol
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Name recent groups that could chart without distribution or US label, not legends from 2nd gen that were some of the first to break the international market. Like it's bad for nct dream that they can't chart like THE Bigbang in the US??? lol
everyone knows how most of the groups are charting there, companies publish tons of links to preorder their albums in different american online stores, they get promo, their fans focus on their first week sales helping with digitals, stores like Target get full stock of the albums, etc
A group that can't have a single album found being sold in an american store isn't going to chart, especially when fans know they got no label or US debut so why even bother
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Name recent groups that could chart without distribution or US label, not legends from 2nd gen that were some of the first to break the international market. Like it's bad for nct dream that they can't chart like THE Bigbang in the US??? lol
everyone knows how most of the groups are charting there, companies publish tons of links to preorder their albums in different american online stores, they get promo, their fans focus on their first week sales helping with digitals, stores like Target get full stock of the albums, etc
A group that can't have a single album found being sold in an american store isn't going to chart, especially when fans know they got no label or US debut so why even bother
I maybe wrong. Don't know if they have distribution.
BTS and BP also charted when they didnt have distribution
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yes they have, even a special store for the US
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yes they have, even a special store for the US
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BTS charted on bb200 since 2015, the first act outside of big3... and got the highest ranking kpop album in 2016 with Wings. All this without promo, label and stores.
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BTS charted on bb200 since 2015, the first act outside of big3... and got the highest ranking kpop album in 2016 with Wings. All this without promo, label and stores.
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I even said it's pointless to mention Bigbang or bts because they and dream are in different levels
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ok and it's still not comparable situations, or do you expect nct dream to do what BTS did years ago? No, right? because that would put them in a similar path, and that's not true
Bts case is special just like Bigbang or blackpink, not every group can chart on BB200 without US distribution despite having a big fanbase, we saw that with Seventeen and got7, so using it as drag or proof nct dream sales are fabricated is dumb AF (not you, but the OP I replied first implied that).
There's literally no reason to keep talking about bts (or YG groups) achievements here, like why suddenly the random nct unit everyone dismissed is expected to chart like them???
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I don't talk about levels everyone knows that.
But still absolutely no reason why a group who sell 2M with countless versions can't even chart in the BB200 for even 1 week.
If you don't wanna compare groups 8 years ago then what about TWICE? They also charted in the BB200 chart.
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A lot of other groups too.
Mass funding even before knowing the album and collecting money from like 1 year before and having non shippable albums definitely contribute to the sales.
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I don't talk about levels everyone knows that.
But still absolutely no reason why a group who sell 2M with countless versions can't even chart in the BB200 for even 1 week.
If you don't wanna compare groups 8 years ago then what about TWICE? They also charted in the BB200 chart.
not you bringing up twice girlies lmao
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Everyone knows how popular got7 were during their peak yet they never charted on bb200, but their member Jackson could and peaked higher than most groups. Why? Got7 was the only jyp group with no distribution deal. Now that's a comparable situation.
And even if they flopped on Billboard like you imply, who cares? Why are asian sales less important? 1million sales alone in korean stores is something to be ashamed of? That's their main market! selling millions in their country is worse than selling 20k in the US?
and yes they proved their kfanbase power with the consistent digital sales + live votes for music shows, they are actually charting higher than the average bgs
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This was about China, why is everyone talking about the US?
Anyways, China helps but they aren't the sole responsible. There are other countries in the world other than China and the US.
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And even if they flopped on Billboard like you imply, who cares? Why are asian sales less important? 1million sales alone in korean stores is something to be ashamed of? That's their main market! selling millions in their country is worse than selling 20k in the US?
this should have been your sole argument. don't give these pathetic xenophobes any more attention
This was about China, why is everyone talking about the US?
Anyways, China helps but they aren't the sole responsible. There are other countries in the world other than China and the US.
don't you know? asian fans are lesser than americans and therefore their sales and contributions don't matter
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not you bringing up twice girlies lmao
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Everyone knows how popular got7 were during their peak yet they never charted on bb200, but their member Jackson could and peaked higher than most groups. Why? Got7 was the only jyp group with no distribution deal. Now that's a comparable situation.
And even if they flopped on Billboard like you imply, who cares? Why are asian sales less important? 1million sales alone in korean stores is something to be ashamed of? That's their main market! selling millions in their country is worse than selling 20k in the US?
and yes they proved their kfanbase power with the consistent digital sales + live votes for music shows, they are actually charting higher than the average bgs
Are you serious? The topic is about China sales and I implied that the most sales from nct dream is coming from China and that's a fact, Idk why are you so insecure about that lmaoo.
And why you don't show the comebacks from the last 2 years from Twice?
How about that you read your comments and reread the topic?
You wanna prove me that nct dream would chart when they have the distribution when in fact that they don't have any demand in the US.
But comparing 2nd generation groups whithout any distribution 8 years ago or a rookie Bts 6 years ago are another level for a SM group in 2021 with 2M sureeeeee😂
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this should have been your sole argument. don't give these pathetic xenophobes any more attention
don't you know? asian fans are lesser than americans and therefore their sales and contributions don't matter
Nobody said that.
But what can I expect from you?
Reading and understanding simple words is already a hard task for you.
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Is china in different universe ?
why does it matter/
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? Someone created a new duplicate account for trolling and baiting purposes, pretending to be a JYP stan (or actually being a JYP stan)?
Am I reading this correctly: in order to
trash and piss ontrivialize and shade the impressive album sales of YG and SM groups, antis and other-company stans are treating the sales of Chinese fans as of less value than the album sales of American and other non-Chinese sales??This feels a bit like veiled racism or cultural arrogance/prejudice, tbh
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Are you serious? The topic is about China sales and I implied that the most sales from nct dream is coming from China and that's a fact, Idk why are you so insecure about that lmaoo.
And why you don't show the comebacks from the last 2 years from Twice?
How about that you read your comments and reread the topic?
You wanna prove me that nct dream would chart when they have the distribution when in fact that they don't have any demand in the US.
But comparing 2nd generation groups whithout any distribution 8 years ago or a rookie Bts 6 years ago are another level for a SM group in 2021 with 2M sureeeeee😂
Twice started charting on BB200 since M&M, the era where they started getting US distribution, you just proved my point lmao
none of us would have mentioned US sales if you didn't dismiss NCT Dream popularity by mentioning an US focused chart where only selected groups are able to chart due to label deals, or if you are bts or Bigbang, which again is a praise to Nct Dream, people expecting them to chart like the biggest bgs internationally
" the most sales from nct dream is coming from China and that's a fact" and you have zero proof of that, yet keep ignoring the Gaon retail chart where Dream sold already 1M+ copies, more than half of their 2M. So it's a FACT most of their sales are coming from Korea, or are you going to call the retail chart fraudulent?
Guess using actual charts and data doesn't fit your narrative.
"There's no demand" yeah you just hating, keep living in your bubble where everyone but your faves are flops with fake sales and where asian fans are worthless
this should have been your sole argument. don't give these pathetic xenophobes any more attention
don't you know? asian fans are lesser than americans and therefore their sales and contributions don't matter
I'm sorry, I just wanted to correct that user false claims, I won't bother anymore with such a sad troll
Many non-fans don't know about nct dream and their lack of american distribution, I started the convo for future reference if anyone wants to bring BB200 to drag them
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