To separate the 4th gen in 2 parts just to include more groups is kinda dumb, specially considering the difference between Itzy and Iz*one with the rest of the groups.
The rest is basically nailed just with the doubt of including G-Idle or not, it depends on what they and the other 4th gen groups keep doing in their careers.
It's too early to judge the 5th gen but those are the only 3 realistic options so far.
Personally, I’d replace Wg with Kara. Also, why separate the 4th gen into two parts? Just group them all together since not many people even recognize the x.5 generation. Anyway, I believe the 4th gen is probably the strongest generation of girl groups we've seen so far. So, I’d stick with the Big 5 as they all can chart well and have strong sales. As for the 5th gen, it’s not even worth discussing.
Once again, we see the erasure of the First Generation.
We just don't care about those 
, so get over it
LSF deserves to be on there.
Or are people once again going to exclude them because they are not favorable to have on the list?
data metrics criteria blah blah blah
as always the argument is never group x vs group y but rather
the factors used to determine the success of a group
lets take one determining factor for example - album sales
do we look at total album sales (but this would advantage groups that debuted earlier and with more albums)
total albums/come backs
total albums/year
what if one group sells more digipacks compared to another who sells more expensive albums
etc etc
LSF deserves to be on there.
Or are people once again going to exclude them because they are not favorable to have on the list?
They are at #4 imo for now. Those 3 groups have better results, overall + latest also better than lsrf.
Fimmies did take quite a big blow to their image and we shall see how they recover their image with GP.
Idle is not ahead of Aespa. Aespa has better sales, bigger hits and bigger tours
aespa does not have better sales. IDLE does.
They were, in fact, the only girl group whose sales increased in 2024.
aespa does not have bigger hits. Only Supernova and Next Level compare favorably to the biggest IDLE hits.
IDLE had four straight songs in four straight eras get four straight PAKs. Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard and Fate.
Aespa has bigger tours, so they do get the edge there.
IDLE can easily be argued ahead of aespa, if someone wanted to do so.
Either way, they're 4th at worst, as I said.
Display MoreAespa does not have better sales. IDLE does.
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They were, in fact, the only girl group whose sales increased in 2024.
aespa does not have bigger hits. Only Supernova and Next Level compare favorably to the biggest IDLE hits.
IDLE had four straight songs in four straight eras get four straight PAKs. Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard and Fate.
Aespa has bigger tours, so they do get the edge there.
IDLE can easily be argued ahead of aespa, if someone wanted to do so.
Either way, they're 4th at worst, as I said.
Idle had better sales than Aespa only this year. Overall Aespa leads album sales by 2.5m+ copies.
Aespa does have bigger hits.
Next Level: 1.3bn circle digital points
Tomboy: 1.069bn circle digital points
Idle’s 2nd biggest hit is Queencard with 734m circle digital points.
Display MoreIdle had better sales than Aespa only this year. Overall Aespa leads album sales by 2.5m+ copies.
Aespa does have bigger hits.
Next Level: 1.3bn circle digital points
Tomboy: 1.069bn circle digital points
Idle’s 2nd biggest hit is Queencard with 734m circle digital points.
Aespa had moderate size hits between Next Level and Supernova. GIDLE was on a PAK streak literally that entire 2-3 year gap. Do you know how hard it is to get four straight PAKs in four different comeback eras? It's literally never been done before.
Keep in mind, I never said aespa couldn't or shouldn't be in the top 3, but it is clear GIDLE could easily be argued to have their spot as well. Unless a group is historically dominant, like NewJeans in 2022/2023 or IVE in 2023, I don't switch up my rankings with just a single year sample size.
Aespa had moderate size hits between Next Level and Supernova. GIDLE was on a PAK streak literally that entire 2-3 year gap. Do you know how hard it is to get four straight PAKs in four different comeback eras? It's literally never been done before.
Keep in mind, I never said aespa couldn't or shouldn't be in the top 3, but it is clear GIDLE could easily be argued to have their spot as well. Unless a group is historically dominant, like NewJeans in 2022/2023 or IVE in 2023, I don't switch up my rankings with just a single year sample size.
How is Gidle Spotify or international streams compared to aespa 
well it's too early for 5th gen, except BABYMONSTER, who will maintain the #1 position forever. I'd even argue the 4th gen spots aren't solidified, anything can happen.
5th gen: BABYMONSTER, KISS OF LIFE, ILLIT
Am I the only one who's not convinced that the Fifth Generation has even started?
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