Posts by uwuwu-98

NewJeans debut album sold a total of 389k copies in the first month, quite similar to the rest of albums in the list. The huge gap is consecuence of the album becoming one of the best steady sellers ever and the proof of the ridiculously massive success of the album itself.

If people whose opinion about NJ's have changed are people that deny violence unless it's exclusively physical like I've just read here, then maybe we should just celebrate it. Groups like this will always have many haters but at least they prove we're on the right side of the story.

Anyway, my doubts about a real switch in the opinion about NJ's is simply because I've not seen it anywhere apart from social media and mediaplay. You literally can see really, really disgusting tweets about Jennie or Lisa with dozens of thousands of likes on a daily basis and they're still part of the most succesful gg, we all know where that hate is coming from. Same in Korea, just some few weeks ago we could see a ridiculous massive hate train to FREAKING IU about a topic I don't think I need to mention, and coincidentially the same demographic and the same Youtubers were involved in the issue, so what's real?

On the other hand you have real data, NJZ are still pulling great numbers both in Korea and Internationally, despite the huge inactivity in the last 20 months their numbers are still comparable to the other top ggs, and their albums are still selling, they're some of the oldest gg albums still charting. I don't see any reason to be seriously worried about this.

I also agree with Rooney and Daisy about how the opinion can easily change, it fits what I mentioned before. 98% of people don't really care that much about the issue, and if they've an opinion it's not a strong one that is going to stop them to listen to their music if it's negative or make them mass stream it if it's positive. It would probably easily change if the appeal is accepted because of pure ignorance about the topic and just agreeing with what the judges say. The ones making buzz are the minority, for good and bad.

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Not exactly.

So I don’t consider a group that say been mediocre all their life but has a long career to be more impactful than Twice.

But between legendary acts your ability to stay relevant over a longer period is what decides if your peak was truly impactful.

There’s no objective way for me to just see melon performance and say twice had a bigger peak or SNSD had a bigger peak.

But the way I see it is people don’t really seem to remember twice is Korea like they do SNSD.

And what I mean by that is people need to remember your peak many years from your actual peak. this is because absolute metrics like charts and the landscape there of keep changing a lot. And there will be a lot of recency bias.

It’s more like in hindsight realizing some peaks were actually not all that great.

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Well I understand your point, but I don't agree.

Let's use T-ara for example. T-ara's peak was insane, bigger than most ggs, but they were forgotten later for issues we all know. The fact that they were forgotten later or didn't have better longevity than others doesn't change the success they had back then, people might talk more about other ggs nowadays because of many reasons like staying relevant more time or simply being more active, but it doesn't mean their peak was greater.

The GF-RV comparison could be a good reference too.

Or instead of using groups we can use music itself as example. Gangnam style was the song with the biggest peak of the century, probably in history? But people don't talk about it anymore, it was a massive trend for a year and that was it. There were other huge songs that might be considered more relevant in the long run and we talk more about them now, but if we talk about peak Gangnam style is unmatched because of what happened that year and that year only.

Not expecting an answer to this though, just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

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I haven't done the research but comments what people said about Hanni went from neutral-positve to negative once they pushed that angle. There's been a shift in how people talk about Hanni and those articles had an effect on that imo.

I agree with everything obviously, just wanted to point out this part.

I really don't think the average public has changed their opinion about Hanni or NJZ that much, it's just that the mediaplay became more aggresive, and the injunction result probably encouraged haters to hate on anything since they think it "validates" their opinions. We have a 1% of encouraged loud haters, a 1% of fans who are more scared and quiet after the injunction result... and a 98% of neutral public that don't care that much about these issues and once NJZ are back they're going to check their music again, don't let social media confuse you.

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For me they are not that different.

Longevity is the only objective way to compare the peak. And I’m not talking about being mediocre throughout your long career so don’t give that example. It’s about staying relevant for a long time. And in people’s minds. For me SNSD is still on people’s minds in Korea while it feels twice is forgotten.

How success is measured changes with every gen. We can’t use TV rating to judge NEW JEANS and we can’t use digital streaming to judge SNSD

If you truly had a great peak you WILL have longevity and relevance for a long time.

Longevity is an indication of your peak.

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I'm sorry but your definition of peak is literally the definition of longevity, long run impact or how you prefer to call it, but it doesn't make any sense to call it the peak. A peak is a peak, it's the highest you've reached, that's all.

This article might be what best summarizes the whole situation. I'm also really lost with the injunction decision and I have no idea how anyone could disagree with any of the points explained here, specially a judge.

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People using the Hybe GG picture to attack NewJeans is just weird. I don't know how you look at that picture and first thing that comes to your mind is NewJeans.

Also, I don't think there's any beef between NewJeans and Le Sserafim. There's been instances where Yunjin greeted Hanni and Minji, and both Hanni and Minji mentioned her. I think people need to stop thinking we know these idols because we most likely don't know most of their friendships unless they mention it.

Hanni was really close to Yunjin like you mentioned and that probably didn't change.

Hanni mentioned in the SS exposed in the court hearing that she understood Illit members and why they'd be uncomfortable because of the company issues.

LSFM and NJ were seen in the last awards they met singing to each others' songs.

Katseye's Manon has liked posts supporting Hanni in her appearance in the national assembly.

Jungkook posted in Instagram showing support to the girls after they made the first live where they were literally blaming Hybe, his own company, even knowing how his fandom could react.

Literally anyone trying to put these people against each other are fucking idiot, they're all colleges, some of them even friends, and there isn't any problem between them. THEY'RE PROVING IT and people keep ignoring it because they care more about supporting a company than about their favs true feelings. I'm compleeeetely sure if you asked any Hybe group member individually if they'd allow NJZ to leave the company they'd do it without hesitating because they're the first ones who know how harsh the companies, the industry and the fandoms are.

Just in MAMA and that's locked for APT.

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The 'others' seem to get along

LE SSERAFIM, ILLIT and KATSEYE unite in a new photo.

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[instiz] Yunjin posted photo with HYBE Girl Groups on her insta!

instagram.com/p/DIteboMzbt9/?img_index=2

Le Sserafim, ILLIT and KATSEYE all gathered together, wow ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

original post: here


1. Were they at their concert?
> Yup, seems like they all went to their concert yesterday

2. Hul KATSEYE showed up too.. I love beauties..

3. Kyah, good to see

4. Hul hul, a group of beauties

5. I like this so much...

6. KATSEYE are back in Korea? What are they filming?
> A comeback soon?👀

7. All three groups have different colors. I hope that they all hit big

8. Fighting to everyone

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bartkun

Monday, 11:52 am

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Do we realize how ridiculous the situation is that you see a cute interaction between 3 ggs and the first thing you do is to relate it to NJZ? Not just posting it here but the comments in the tweets and other social media about the pic are full of mentions of NJZ.

Seriously don't people realize about all the brainwashing that has been done?

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You serious?

Jennie is fighting for #1 literally with GD

And thanks god she might surpass him. He has been topping like 130-140 days of the last 6 months with just 2 songs and he's going to be surpassed in the low 200k.

Yes we got other couple of hits like Rebel Heart or Like Jennie but it's still a massive empty house with a super low amount of listeners.

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I think y'all are misunderstanding what I'm saying. NJZ is still a huge group, but the OPs question was whether they could match their or surpass their peak, which IMO they can't due to the lost support of the biggest kpop company and their fans.

Spotify Global

Super Shy - 9

ETA - 38

Cool with you - 28

Next comeback after Hybe drama

How Sweet - 89

Supernatural - 189

Bubblegum - 200

At one point they had over 30 mill monthly listeners at their peak, and with the comeback after he drama this dropped in to the 20 mills and now they are around 15 mill.

If you break down their album sales for 2024 as well, you'll see alot of sales for older albums, not just for their newest like most other groups.

Super Shy/ETA sold over 2 mill, and after the Hybe drama How Sweet and Supernatural have done about 1.1 mill each. That's a decent drop off.

So in 2024 there's about 800k albums sold from their earlier releases. The question is how much was sold prior to the fallout? How much was from tokkis supporting them after the drama? How many are from new stans? How many are from collectors looking to cash in on collector items if they weren't successfull with their extrication from Hybe?

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While I agree with NJZ going to struggle to reach the peaks they had before, this kind of analysis with raw numbers miss a lot of context.

The peaks of Spotify global is the biggest drop and the most complicated to achieve again, actually Get up debut and first weeks numbers were almost BP level internationally and in the US. However it could also be because of the AMAZING promotion the Get up era had. The momentum was great because both Ditto and OMG were really succesful, and they made the collaboration with Youtube and with The Powerpuff Girls that worked perfectly and even reached audience outside of the Kpop fanbase. The 2024 comebacks on the other hand had a completely awful rollout. The singles were obviously not the focus of the year because with the singles they also announced the full album (later cancelled by Hybe) to be released in the 2nd half of the year, and the month prior to the comeback the Ador team was not even working, the whole mess had started and we weren't even getting teasers apart from the typical pics teasers 1 week before. Yes of course Kpop fans were aware NJ was coming back and that's why their numbers were as good as the other top ggs, but all the work their previous comebacks had was not there those eras.

The monthly listeners are mainly because of the lack of comebacks. I mean, they released 4 songs in the span of 1 month in the last 20 months, and it was almost a year ago by now. The fact that the ULs are so stable and as high as the rest of top ggs that have made many more comebacks is actually a good sign and show people still listen to them regardless of the situation they're in.

The physical sales are difficult to measure because the project was completely different to anything we've seen before. You're comparing Get up reaching 2M sales with the singles that are are 1.2M and 1.3M now, but Get up was their first EP since their debut and the singles were just singles and they were released back to back in the span of 4 weeks. If you compare it with OMG which is their other single it is at 1.7M and it was released alone instead of 2 different albums together, so was it really a drop? It might be but it's difficult to confirm, and there's also been a general drop for all the groups, actually if you compare them all, NJZ's "drop" seem one of the least important...

That being said, like I mentioned at the beginning of the post, I think it's really complicated they reach the peaks they had before specially internationally. Many things have changed and made it more complicated (armys tokken stanning, Hybe will probably try to boycott, the big hiatus might hurt them...), but it's also really likely everybody will have their eye on them when they finally make their comeback after all this mess. Actually, it's possible that the international media gives them a lot of exposure after all these court cases. And then we should focus on the most important thing and that I feel people ironically forget about in these discussions... The music is the most important. To choose the right song, how much people like it will always be the most important thing, and NJZ's vibe is loved. It's possible they choose a song that people don't enjoy that much like How sweet, or it's possible they choose a song people will love like Ditto, but that's completely impossible to predict.

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I just had a thought. We're there any issues at Hybe before Belift was created?

Belift was first created as a project managed by both CJ Ent. and Big Hit, so it was not the same as what we understand today as Hybe. When Big hit turned into Hybe and started buying other companies they also bought CJ Ent.'s part of Belift and that's when this mess of project with all the problems we know about started.

So it doesn't make sense to blame Belift exactly, after all it's Big hit/Hybe people put there under other name but we know how this works.

The charts are without any doubt in the most boring moment in Korean charts' history. Literally only G-Dragon (who is going to sweep all the awards related to digital korean charting) has done something relevant in the last 6 months. The ULs of the songs are almost static because there aren't new hits, and most risers aren't even making it into the top 10.

Good for records of the current hit songs which is the only thing people care about, but the situation is weird and boring as fuck.

The situation of Frantz is completely ridiculous, I wonder how other fandoms would react if someone of the OG ADOR staff did something similar, let alone MHJ.

Anyway the focus shouldn't even be on this lame dude, but on the green light everybody have in that company to do shady things. They know no one is going to call them out, they know there won't be any consecuences. NJ were seen as enemies since the beginning like the internal documents exposed, but now they're not just enemies, they directly hate them. It's shocking the injunction judge keep thinking they should return when it's obvious it's not a safe space anymore for them.

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Is Kim nayeon still with ador or left already ?

I guess for her to put Ador OG (the name that given by fans) is bold statement that it's not only showing beef between NJ Vs Ador management, but also between Ador OG Vs New Ador...

I don't understand why Judge can't see it

Pretty sure they all left a while ago, I think they stopped following the NJ/Ador accounts around the same time NJ made the first live last year.

Obviously all the team leaving should be more than enough for neutral people to realize something is wrong. NJ are the "face" of everything but the reality is they're just one part of many that decided to leave after what happened with MHJ because they all knew perfectly what was happening. Not just that but the new Ador also had beef even with outsiders like Dolphin Kidnappers. And no, MHJ is not able to manipulate everybody.

A bit offtopic but I think it wasn't mentioned here. Kim Nayeon reposted Dani's birthday post of the NJ's official instagram account, mentioning OG ADOR, so it seems it was made by them.

So... What are the new ADOR team exactly doing? Do they even have people working there? We all know it's basically an empty company without the girls but the fact that they can't make someone create some decent post for Dani's birthday and they've to use one made by the old team is completely ridiculous lmao. Or at least take someone from Hybe to do it to disimulate properly? Obviously from a legal point of view this is not relevant but they're basically recognizing they aren't even trying.

I can understand having discussions about the legal issues, about how complicated they're to prove and about who might win/lose, but to discuss the fact that Hybe was trying to damage NJ's image when we have dozens of examples is a loss of time, people denying it at this point are never going to agree.

I'd say that it seems they need Hybe's CEO to say it publicly for them to realize, but ironically, it happened and they keep playing dumb lmao.

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I firmly believe MHJ's claims of plagiarism from Belift labs against Newjeans, does it meet the bar of legal plagiarism? I don't think so. But as part of an internal company fight it's pretty clear to see that Kim Tae-Ho had access to Adors planning materials as COO of Hybe and then passed them onto Belift Labs in his role as President of Belift Labs.

MHJ as the CEO of Ador was absolutely correct in raising a stink about this because of the attempted cannibalisation of the market share that Newjeans had carved out for itself.

Actually if she didn't raise this as a complaint she would have been found in breach of her duties as CEO of Ador.

I'd argue the leaked planning materials would be, should be prima facie evidence of the way Hybe was attempting to devalue Ador and Newjeans by cannibalising their market share to benefit Belift Labs.

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Honestly I don't think anyone is going to discuss this after the internal documents of Hybe were exposed apart from some Hybe stans. The problem is, how you mentioned, how complicated it is to prove that legally, specially considering some judges are willing to accept the excuse that they're all from the same company looking at the result of NJZ's injunction.

Any person doing their life project would react like MHJ if not worse and any fandom would be pissed af if their favs were in the position of NJZ in this matter even if they don't want to recognize it.

Discussing with the same users the same points over and over is exhausting, but well just gonna add my 2 cents:

1. We fans know perfectly all this can hurt NJZ's image, hell we all are talking about how we want this to resolve fast because the longer they're in court the worse, but the mental health of the girls is always the most important. The fact that we even have to mention this is absurd, but I guess Kpop fans are not used to support their favs in anything that doesn't mean better charting or sales.

2. Hybe was boycotting NJ. Not just the members directly, but also the brand. We literally have an audio of a Hybe manager talking with a periodist to edit an article about their japanese debut to make it look worse. This was last june, months before NJ spoke up and when things were "normal" after the MHJ injunction happened and when they could perform. If Hybe was doing this mediaplay back then (and it's just what we know, imagine what we don't know...) + telling their parents about the hiatus + allowing Belift to call them object of adult fantasies... Can someone explain me why we have people here acting obtuse af like if Hybe was promoting NJ properly?????

Honestly I'm with Yama, Icy's agenda has been always quite obvious to me, not gonna bother much more with it.

I was laughing a bit reading posts regarding the mediaplay here but Yama and Daisy have explained it perfectly already. I'm gonna sum it up fast honestly I think it's quite easy to understand, if you really think that MHJ (a single woman who is a creative, with some money and connections in other companies, but a creative) has the same power behind the scenes than Hybe (the biggest company of the industry EVER), you're completely idiot. That's it, there's nothing else to explain.

It seems the objection lasted 12 mins. These things are short in general, the focus is on the documents they give, but it wouldn't surprise me if the girls' side have just rushed this process to make the appeal as soon as possible, we'll see how long it takes until we have the decision but this is most likely going to be negative as we already knew.