To separate the 4th gen in 2 parts just to include more groups is kinda dumb, specially considering the difference between Itzy and Iz*one with the rest of the groups.
The rest is basically nailed just with the doubt of including G-Idle or not, it depends on what they and the other 4th gen groups keep doing in their careers.
It's too early to judge the 5th gen but those are the only 3 realistic options so far.
Personally, I’d replace Wg with Kara. Also, why separate the 4th gen into two parts? Just group them all together since not many people even recognize the x.5 generation. Anyway, I believe the 4th gen is probably the strongest generation of girl groups we've seen so far. So, I’d stick with the Big 5 as they all can chart well and have strong sales. As for the 5th gen, it’s not even worth discussing.
Once again, we see the erasure of the First Generation.
We just don't care about those 
, so get over it
LSF deserves to be on there.
Or are people once again going to exclude them because they are not favorable to have on the list?
data metrics criteria blah blah blah
as always the argument is never group x vs group y but rather
the factors used to determine the success of a group
lets take one determining factor for example - album sales
do we look at total album sales (but this would advantage groups that debuted earlier and with more albums)
total albums/come backs
total albums/year
what if one group sells more digipacks compared to another who sells more expensive albums
etc etc
LSF deserves to be on there.
Or are people once again going to exclude them because they are not favorable to have on the list?
They are at #4 imo for now. Those 3 groups have better results, overall + latest also better than lsrf.
Fimmies did take quite a big blow to their image and we shall see how they recover their image with GP.
Idle is not ahead of Aespa. Aespa has better sales, bigger hits and bigger tours
aespa does not have better sales. IDLE does.
They were, in fact, the only girl group whose sales increased in 2024.
aespa does not have bigger hits. Only Supernova and Next Level compare favorably to the biggest IDLE hits.
IDLE had four straight songs in four straight eras get four straight PAKs. Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard and Fate.
Aespa has bigger tours, so they do get the edge there.
IDLE can easily be argued ahead of aespa, if someone wanted to do so.
Either way, they're 4th at worst, as I said.
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They were, in fact, the only girl group whose sales increased in 2024.
aespa does not have bigger hits. Only Supernova and Next Level compare favorably to the biggest IDLE hits.
IDLE had four straight songs in four straight eras get four straight PAKs. Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard and Fate.
Aespa has bigger tours, so they do get the edge there.
IDLE can easily be argued ahead of aespa, if someone wanted to do so.
Either way, they're 4th at worst, as I said.
Idle had better sales than Aespa only this year. Overall Aespa leads album sales by 2.5m+ copies.
Aespa does have bigger hits.
Next Level: 1.3bn circle digital points
Tomboy: 1.069bn circle digital points
Idle’s 2nd biggest hit is Queencard with 734m circle digital points.
Display MoreIdle had better sales than Aespa only this year. Overall Aespa leads album sales by 2.5m+ copies.
Aespa does have bigger hits.
Next Level: 1.3bn circle digital points
Tomboy: 1.069bn circle digital points
Idle’s 2nd biggest hit is Queencard with 734m circle digital points.
Aespa had moderate size hits between Next Level and Supernova. GIDLE was on a PAK streak literally that entire 2-3 year gap. Do you know how hard it is to get four straight PAKs in four different comeback eras? It's literally never been done before.
Keep in mind, I never said aespa couldn't or shouldn't be in the top 3, but it is clear GIDLE could easily be argued to have their spot as well. Unless a group is historically dominant, like NewJeans in 2022/2023 or IVE in 2023, I don't switch up my rankings with just a single year sample size.
Aespa had moderate size hits between Next Level and Supernova. GIDLE was on a PAK streak literally that entire 2-3 year gap. Do you know how hard it is to get four straight PAKs in four different comeback eras? It's literally never been done before.
Keep in mind, I never said aespa couldn't or shouldn't be in the top 3, but it is clear GIDLE could easily be argued to have their spot as well. Unless a group is historically dominant, like NewJeans in 2022/2023 or IVE in 2023, I don't switch up my rankings with just a single year sample size.
How is Gidle Spotify or international streams compared to aespa 
well it's too early for 5th gen, except BABYMONSTER, who will maintain the #1 position forever. I'd even argue the 4th gen spots aren't solidified, anything can happen.
5th gen: BABYMONSTER, KISS OF LIFE, ILLIT
Am I the only one who's not convinced that the Fifth Generation has even started?
Not loading for me but I'm gonna guess
The original tweet seems to have been deleted, but here's what it said:
Display MoreBIG 3 OF EACH GEN
2nd gen: 2NE1, SNSD, Wonder Girls
3rd gen: BLACKPINK, TWICE, Red Velvet
4th gen:
Part 1 - ITZY, (G)-IDLE, IZ*ONE
Part 2 - NewJeans, aespa, IVE
5th gen: BABYMONSTER, KISS OF LIFE, ILLIT
The original tweet seems to have been deleted, but here's what it said:
Questionable but whatever
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They were, in fact, the only girl group whose sales increased in 2024.
aespa does not have bigger hits. Only Supernova and Next Level compare favorably to the biggest IDLE hits.
IDLE had four straight songs in four straight eras get four straight PAKs. Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard and Fate.
Aespa has bigger tours, so they do get the edge there.
IDLE can easily be argued ahead of aespa, if someone wanted to do so.
Either way, they're 4th at worst, as I said.
it is convenient for you to say IDLE can be EASIYL argued ahead of aespa. Except for sales and PAKs, GIDLE barely has any stronger point than aespa overall.
International streams also conveniently be disregarded. Aespa obviously have the stronger edge there.
Sales: GIDLE
KR charting-points: aespa
KR charting PAKS: GIDLE
Touring: aespa
international streams: aespa
Aespa had moderate size hits between Next Level and Supernova.
i find it weird that you said anything between Next Level and Supernova are "moderate" and then give credits to Queencard, Nxde. Savage hits PAK, Spicy outlasted Queencard, Drama also shaping up to be a big international streaming hit.
On top of that, now Whiplash is also shaping up to be a much bigger hit than Klaxon was.
So where is the ground that GIDLE has more hits than aespa?
Display Moreit is convenient for you to say IDLE can be EASIYL argued ahead of aespa. Except for sales and PAKs, GIDLE barely has any stronger point than aespa overall.
International streams also conveniently be disregarded. Aespa obviously have the stronger edge there.
Sales: GIDLE
KR charting-points: aespa
KR charting PAKS: GIDLE
Touring: aespa
international streams: aespa
i find it weird that you said anything between Next Level and Supernova are "moderate" and then give credits to Queencard, Nxde. Savage hits PAK, Spicy outlasted Queencard, Drama also shaping up to be a big international streaming hit.
On top of that, now Whiplash is also shaping up to be a much bigger hit than Klaxon was.
So where is the ground that GIDLE has more hits than aespa?
people only follow aespa for their visuals if we're being honest, GIDLE's discography clears. They can battle it out for the #3 position even though I don't agree that IDLE are a 4th gen but whateves. IVE still comfortably sits in that 2nd spot
Display Moreit is convenient for you to say IDLE can be EASIYL argued ahead of aespa. Except for sales and PAKs, GIDLE barely has any stronger point than aespa overall.
International streams also conveniently be disregarded. Aespa obviously have the stronger edge there.
Sales: GIDLE
KR charting-points: aespa
KR charting PAKS: GIDLE
Touring: aespa
international streams: aespa
i find it weird that you said anything between Next Level and Supernova are "moderate" and then give credits to Queencard, Nxde. Savage hits PAK, Spicy outlasted Queencard, Drama also shaping up to be a big international streaming hit.
On top of that, now Whiplash is also shaping up to be a much bigger hit than Klaxon was.
So where is the ground that GIDLE has more hits than aespa?
This post is nothing but cope.
Don't bring up international streams as if aespa is some powerhouse there to the point it can be used to separate them from IDLE. They've never once made it to the Billboard Hot 100. Until they do, it doesn't really matter to me.
They didn't even make the podium in what was by far their career best year.
As for Korean charting, I don't care how much you cry about it, but the fact is that, yes, aespa has only had moderate hits between Next Level and Supernova. And during the time in between those songs, IDLE went on a massive PAK streak which has no historic precedent on the charts from any girl group.
I know aespa fans want us to forget there was a 3 year gap between aespa's biggest hit songs, but it existed. By the end of 2023, it wouldn't be controversial at all to say IDLE had a better year.
So yes, IDLE could EASILY be argued top 3 like I said.
You people act like aespa is 2023 NewJeans or something
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my god that gap is preposterous! NJ really out here competing with no one but themselves - literally and figuratively, like remember when OMG blocked Ditto for a who ass week? and it still broke BTS's PAK - the one record everyone thought was untouchable
i find it weird that you said anything between Next Level and Supernova are "moderate" and then give credits to Queencard, Nxde. Savage hits PAK, Spicy outlasted Queencard, Drama also shaping up to be a big international streaming hit.
Don't waste your time. He will just cherry pick the info that suits his position every time.
Notice how Aespa apparently doesn't have a hit in the 3 years between Next Level and Supernova, but he doesn't mention that they had an 11 month hiatus in that time frame and that Savage, Girls, Spicy and Drama are all bigger than anything that Gidle released in the 4 years before they had their first major hit with Tomboy.
Don't waste your time. He will just cherry pick the info that suits his position every time.
Notice how Aespa apparently doesn't have a hit in the 3 years between Next Level and Supernova, but he doesn't mention that they had an 11 month hiatus in that time frame and that Savage, Girls, Spicy and Drama are all bigger than anything that Gidle released in the 4 years before they had their first major hit with Tomboy.
Yes and?
GIDLE and aespa didn't start on an even playing field, so bringing up the early years of IDLE only makes their present day accomplishments all the more impressive
There is a massive difference between debuting in Cube and debuting in SM, the most storied big label in the industry with an impeccable, rich history of top girl groups and all the privilege that comes with it
I don't give aespa a pass just for having a hiatus. The fact NewJeans is being sabotaged by their own label doesn't stop people from making asinine claims about the year they just had.
I'm only stating facts.
After Next Level, aespa never had another hit at that level until Supernova, and GIDLE, that group that had to fight its way to the top, was more dominant digitally last year and sold more albums this year.
They have an argument for top 3.
aespa had a great year, but it objectively pales in comparison to the best we've seen from IVE, let alone NewJeans, so yes, if GIDLE were to replace a group in the top 3, it would be them.
Take your emotional investment out of it and just look at the facts.
Also, I'm going to stop being cordial if people keep intentionally misconstruing my arguments and strawmanning me. Don't make me be the bad guy.
I never once said aespa didn't have any hit songs after Next Level until Supernova; I said their songs were moderate hits but not generation defining national hits like Hype Boy, Ditto, Love Dive, I Am, etc.
Display MoreThis post is nothing but cope.
Don't bring up international streams as if aespa is some powerhouse there to the point it can be used to separate them from IDLE. They've never once made it to the Billboard Hot 100. Until they do, it doesn't really matter to me.
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They didn't even make the podium in what was by far their career best year.
As for Korean charting, I don't care how much you cry about it, but the fact is that, yes, aespa has only had moderate hits between Next Level and Supernova. And during the time in between those songs, IDLE went on a massive PAK streak which has no historic precedent on the charts from any girl group.
I know aespa fans want us to forget there was a 3 year gap between aespa's biggest hit songs, but it existed. By the end of 2023, it wouldn't be controversial at all to say IDLE had a better year.
So yes, IDLE could EASILY be argued top 3 like I said.
You people act like aespa is 2023 NewJeans or something
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Hot 100 again. Why are we always needing the US validation when we have BB200 and BB200 exc US? Aren't WW better indiciation than hot 100 which solely on US? And why hot 100 only? Oricon for JP market? Chinese market? Dont be selective if you talk about international streaming. You are only selective when it fits your narrative.
And no one acted like aespa was 2023 NJ. It was you who constantly downplaying aespa and be selective in recognising achievement. I honestly not sure what are you on when you dismiss achievement of Savage, Spicy, Drama etc
Spicy & Drama & Whiplash were constantly #2 (spicy hit #1 on Melon). Are we on this stage where we are dismissing even #2 peaking songs as huge hits? On top of that, we are not talking about #2 songs that peaked fast and dropped. These songs literally have longevity on charts. If want to be selective, why not only recognise SOTY awarded songs as "huge hit" then GIDLE has 0 LMAO.
No one dimiss aespa achievement as much as you in this forum, but you go on defensive mode when someone talks about NJ
I never once said aespa didn't have any hit songs after Next Level until Supernova; I said their songs were moderate hits but not generation defining national hits like Hype Boy, Ditto, Love Dive, I Am, etc.
i wonder which one is GIDLE's generation defining national hits now. Readying the stats to compare
Go hit the showers. You're thoroughly washed anyways and clearly too emotional to actually have a meaningful discussion about this. The entire rambling, raging rant reads like:
Look, I don't care what you think, and you will never change what I think (I'm right obviously). aespa have accomplished nothing of note internationally, and there was a 3 year gap between their 2 legitimate huge hit songs. Period.
By the numbers, their best year, this year, still isn't half as impressive as the best we've seen from IVE, let alone NewJeans, so using simple logic, if IDLE took a spot in the top 3, it would be theirs.
Now, run along whilst I'm still in the mood to simply humor your temper tantrums. My cordiality has an expiration date.
Display MoreYes and?
GIDLE and aespa didn't start on an even playing field, so bringing up the early years of IDLE only makes their present day accomplishments all the more impressive
There is a massive difference between debuting in Cube and debuting in SM, the most storied big label in the industry with an impeccable, rich history of top girl groups and all the privilege that comes with it
I don't give aespa a pass just for having a hiatus. The fact NewJeans is being sabotaged by their own label doesn't stop people from making asinine claims about the year they just had.
I'm only stating facts.
After Next Level, aespa never had another hit at that level until Supernova, and GIDLE, that group that had to fight its way to the top, was more dominant digitally last year and sold more albums this year.
They have an argument for top 3.
aespa had a great year, but it objectively pales in comparison to the best we've seen from IVE, let alone NewJeans, so yes, if GIDLE were to replace a group in the top 3, it would be them.
Take your emotional investment out of it and just look at the facts.
Oh look, exactly as I said. Picking and choosing what you think is relevant.
Classic
Obviously
What I think is relevant is all that matters to me. Why would I care about things I find irrelevant?
Fighting over the difference in international streams between aespa and IDLE is like watching a pack of strays fighting over scraps of trash in the back alley.
NewJeans have more total Spotify streams than aespa and IVE COMBINED, and they've been around less than half the time aespa has.
I don't care about their global streams until they can at least scrape the bottom of the Hot 100 or at least get a best selling album on the BB 200.
Even LSF could get on the Hot 100 (and out streamed aespa).
The funny thing is that I never said aespa isn't a top 3 group. I said if IDLE were to take a spot, it would be theirs and an argument could easily be made in favor of IDLE, which I then went on to prove, since people have already resorted to putting decentish at best global streams on a pedestal to make a counter argument.
I'm not downplaying or mocking aespa; you're all being arrogant after one strong year, for the first time in three years, and disrespecting IDLE.
I think we're done here. I made my point.
Display MoreObviously
What I think is relevant is all that matters to me. Why would I care about things I find irrelevant?
Fighting over the difference in international streams between aespa and IDLE is like watching a pack of strays fighting over scraps of trash in the back alley.
NewJeans have more total Spotify streams than aespa and IVE COMBINED, and they've been around less than half the time aespa has.
I don't care about their global streams until they can at least scrape the bottom of the Hot 100 or at least get a best selling album on the BB 200.
Even LSF could get on the Hot 100 (and out streamed aespa).
The funny thing is that I never said aespa isn't a top 3 group. I said if IDLE were to take a spot, it would be theirs and an argument could easily be made in favor of IDLE, which I then went on to prove, since people have already resorted to putting decentish at best global streams on a pedestal to make a counter argument.
I'm not downplaying or mocking aespa; you're all being arrogant after one strong year, for the first time in three years, and disrespecting IDLE.
I think we're done here. I made my point.
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It depends on the criteria used, but splitting gen 4 into two when it's only a little a above half as long as gen 2 was a poor choice.
And no gen 1 is suspect, but I would assume most people listening to K-pop now weren't born when gen 1 ended or gen 2 started. Nothing stops you from going back and listening though 
I don't see the tweet, but I'm gonna make some fans cry again, and I'm not sorry at all. 🤣
A group that is not older than 4 or 5 years, don't deserve to be on a list like this! I don't care who it is, and how great their stats are! IF they can do it for 5 or more years, they can be nominated for a BIG3 list!
Anyway, this is the most accurate list in order:
1st gen: SES, FinKL, Baby Voc
2nd gen: SNSD, Wonder Girls, 2NE1
3rd gen: TWICE, Blackpink, MAMAMOO (yes, I chose MMM, and not RV, because neither of them are big outside of Asia but MMM is bigger in Korea, they're pretty much on the same level overall)
4th gen: Aespa, Gidle, IVE (this order can be a different, I don't really care)
5th gen: still in kindergarten
PS: for me, NewJeans and Le Sserafim are 5th gen or at least still rookies to be included.
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