Yes and no
As an employee of a company the company provides you a salary for a given work that you put in. Obviously the company is going to benefit from your hard work because they are not a charity. And if the salary given to you allows you to progress then the company is in fact helping you. The salary is allowing you to put food on the table, buy a roof over your family's head etc.
You can jolly well choose to leave the company, stipulated in the contractual agreement between you and the company if allowed. And remember you are the one who signed that contract no one forced you to.
You can choose to not be employed in the first place, make your own company, be self employed if that suits you. It's your choice.
However, if the working conditions and salary are not in line with the value that you contribute to the company or that it is against contractual agreements that you made when you sign the contract then yes you should voice your concerns by bringing it up to higher management. A company that values constructive input is one that can progress and do better for both the employees and themselves.
Voicing out or lashing out just to suit your personal needs is ungrateful. Like if you signed a contract agreeing that you work 5 days a week and then you say NAH I SHOULD WORK 1 DAY A WEEK AND HAVE 6 DAYS OFF yes that is ungrateful and going against the contractual agreement between you and your company, and any damages done to the company should make you liable because you go against that initial agreement.
I think it's all about money
NewJeans members were paid around 19M USD in last year
that's 3.8M USD per member
people work in toxic environment all the time and they are paid like 1000, 500, or sometimes even less per month...
I think I've already said it in other thread
This is what I would do:
I would get that near 4M USD, then work one more year
with 8M if you are smart you are set for life
then I would go to PD/CEO/whoever
and said that I'm mentally drained and it became very hard for me such a big burden aigoo I can't do it anymore please I miss person A/B/C/D/E/... from my family, and also this/that
basically would tell a sobbing story
company would put me on hiatus
Scenario A:
then after few months or maybe a year they would ask I would say I'm not ready to be back, I'm scared etc.
so later they would either suggest that we terminate contract on good terms
or that I should sign small addon to contract that I won't get any profit from groups future activities if I'm not present in recording studio/on stage
I would sign this
and live happy life after :)
Scenario B:
when they would contact me about coming back I would say I highly regret starting career as an Idol and it wasn't for me but I would love to try acting, MCing, modeling, hosting own show, being panelist in some tv show, working for a company in a different way than being an Idol
this would took of whole burden, and if they agree then hello my new world lol
remember one needs to have a clear path even if it needs to do some tactical lying and writing a fantasy story :)
ps: edited because I've came with another idea
No but if the group is going to call out the company publicly then they should be aware of the obvious outcome that the company and its stans won't take it lightly, and when it's public, people will have their own opinions about the matter even if it doesn't concern them.
It's far more professional to deal with their problems in a discreet manner. I don't think trash talking the hand that feeds you, even if what you say is true, is the best solution. Ever.
Everything is relative, even wealth and happiness. People always say they'd give anything to have some high paying job, but I've learned it's not worth it. I am not trying to flex, just using my personal experience, but I am in a field where 300k+ USD salaries are not uncommon so I can say money is not worth your own comfort and mental health. But if I ever complain in front of anyone I know, I'm just ungrateful and whiny. So I can understand NJs stance on this.
I’m so glad I read the op and not just the title 
I completely agree it doesn’t matter how well you’re marketed or how many hits you have when you feel ignored, alienated and neglected by your own company.
Those saying they should have handled it privately how do you know they didn’t try 
Hani mentioned several times she was ignored by staff and even dismissed by the new ADOR CEO are Newjeans meant to watch their career be sidelined and tossed to the side and do nothing about it because it will look ungrateful! should they leave MHJ to battle it out publicly while they pretend everything is fine. I’m proud they took initiative to speak out. At what point is enough enough.
It’s better to have tried and lost than not tried at all. The were going to be forced into hiatus anyways so I’m glad they’re not going quietly. This whole thing has been unprofessional from the start so no point trying to be professional now 
it doesn't matter if it's ungrateful or not
the only that matters to NJ themselves is getting out of the contract since hybe certainly won't be acquiescing to the return of MHJ
I've said it in the main thread the members are laying down the groundworks for a mistreatment claim and it's a good strategy.
The only thing is how hybe responds to said claims and what strategy they use
Is it ungrateful for well paid employees to call out abuses and/or mismanagement by their employers?
No it is not.
Besides, in this case the group (correctly) believe their success is due to their immediate mentor and are standing up for that person - both because they feel it is injustice to her and also because they want the success she gave to continue.
Just watched that newjeans emergency vlive because I realized this thread is probably about it. Well the situation looks really bad. More like a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I don't think there's any happy outcome that could come from this. MHJ can't buy Ador back and Ador was funded under Hybe... This is really bad. And if NJ terminate their contracts then they will most likely be obliged to pay a massive debt. I guess when it's that bad then just saying everything that's wrong publicly can't hurt. They are in a hellish situation that only happened because even the adults couldn't act professionally... It's bad BAD. Hopefully their case end up the first major successful case about idol vs company. But knowing how corrupt justice can be... That's being too optimistic. I don't really see any happy realistic outcome in any scenario involving this ador vs hybe mess. Not until hybe starts acting professionally, which I doubt they will.
Seohyun of all people has said on TV she hates SM. Then she up and left lol. Girl is true SM hater at heart lol.
Taeyeon also regularly shits on SM including at her concerts but she's still there.
It depends on the circumstances.
In New Jeans case, it is not.
People here thinking they would stick around in that toxic of an environment at work are delusional.
Yeah, they might be making bank. They might not too. Nobody here knows what their contract terms are like.
But what we do know is that every single day they have to eat all the shit thrown at them by antis, in the public eye the whole time, and they have a contract that will penalise them if they leave. And they are treated like shit and ostracized in their own organisation.
It's like not like most of us, who can hand in a month's notice and say bye bye without repercussion.
I think if we’re talking about a normal corporate job, you can just leave and find a new workplace. I don’t think it’s that easy in the entertainment industry. Especially the music one. There are plenty of artists who willingly signed a contract not fully aware of what they were getting themselves into, only to find out much later in their career that the company tricked them. And if that company also got extreme influence within that industry, being blacklisted is also something that can follow. SM can write a whole book about it.
Voicing out or lashing out just to suit your personal needs is ungrateful. Like if you signed a contract agreeing that you work 5 days a week and then you say NAH I SHOULD WORK 1 DAY A WEEK AND HAVE 6 DAYS OFF yes that is ungrateful and going against the contractual agreement between you and your company, and any damages done to the company should make you liable because you go against that initial agreement.
I think majority of public figures like to handle things in private. Going public is often the last resort to achieve something.
And I also don’t agree… if you find flows in your initial agreement and can’t find a compromise, speaking up is the best option. Often you sign these agreements while being in good terms with the people involved, trusting too much, not getting things double checked etc etc.
I find it pretty funny that so many people believe that public figures will get themselves in such a vulnerable position without considering less exposing options first.
I think if we’re talking about a normal corporate job, you can just leave and find a new workplace. I don’t think it’s that easy in the entertainment industry. Especially the music one. There are plenty of artists who willingly signed a contract not fully aware of what they were getting themselves into, only to find out much later in their career that the company tricked them. And if that company also got extreme influence within that industry, being blacklisted is also something that can follow. SM can write a whole book about it.
I think majority of public figures like to handle things in private. Going public is often the last resort to achieve something.
And I also don’t agree… if you find flows in your initial agreement and can’t find a compromise, speaking up is the best option. Often you sign these agreements while being in good terms with the people involved, trusting too much, not getting things double checked etc etc.
But you signed up for it. And no not all corporate jobs are that easy to leave. Some have bonds like you need to be bonded for a few years and if you break that bond you need to pay back thousands, tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands. Like for example if a company sponsor you a scholarship you are bonded for several years and if you break that bond you pay back.
Similarly the company pays for your training in the entertainment industry and if you break that bond, you have to pay back. It's the same. You read the contract, you signed up for the contract. If you break that agreement even if you willingly sign it, it's on you.
I could possibly end up in a shitty work environment in a corporate job that I didn't expect and if I want to break that bond I will have to pay.
Imagine if you are the boss of your company and you fork out hundreds of thousands of dollars and your employees can just one day decide "haha fk it fk u and u and u and fk I'ma quit" I don't think you will like it.
Children and young women shouldn't be in the limelight facing public and private scrutiny for abusive business practices. The adults in their lives are failing them. They shouldn't have to put up with mistreatment, while they also shouldn't have to worry about being blacklisted from the industry if they speak out.
I never understood people who bootlick employers.
I talk down to my boss to make sure he knows he can always do better
I once called out my boss during a Teams meeting (wasn’t planned tho)
I thought I was fired after this, but thankfully two other colleagues also complained and he had to give in somehow lol. He called me after the meeting and said he appreciates feedback, but I should have reported any issue to the HR…Well I did and with no results, he even started to act more shady towards me.
But now he has been much nicer to us, and that only because he was called out in front of all the other employees and couldn’t find excuses or hide behind HR and I wasn’t the only one who felt that way.
However, if the working conditions and salary are not in line with the value that you contribute to the company or that it is against contractual agreements that you made when you sign the contract then yes you should voice your concerns by bringing it up to higher management. A company that values constructive input is one that can progress and do better for both the employees and themselves.
Voicing out or lashing out just to suit your personal needs is ungrateful. Like if you signed a contract agreeing that you work 5 days a week and then you say NAH I SHOULD WORK 1 DAY A WEEK AND HAVE 6 DAYS OFF yes that is ungrateful and going against the contractual agreement between you and your company, and any damages done to the company should make you liable because you go against that initial agreement.
I agree that is a sound reasoning for a normal corporate positions. However in an entertainment industry, especially if dirty laundry has already been spilled, you exhausted all your options, and the management still does not listen- going public may be your last resort. No matter the reparations and punishments that follows. That is something you have most likely already willing to confront.
Given what Hybe has been spilling the last couple months, does any one really think they value constructive input, contractual agreements, and fair play? A normal company might be, but probably not Hybe.
Company throws money to their investments and capital because it generates revenue for them. Treating them good or not, is optional.
You can't throw money at me and say I have been treating you good, all the while molesting me, yknow? 
In any case, best of luck to the girls and Tokkies honestly. Shitshows for everyone involved.
Yes, they are many other enduring real mistreatment, while others are calling for a criminal CEO to be reinstated. One must question why the workplace is in its current state and who is truly responsible for the way it became in the first place.
Perhaps they should reflect on their own roles and actions, as they are the main part of the problem.
Stop fabricating stories of mistreatment and exaggerating minor issues to gain sympathy, as it’s not effective on me. Instead, they should focus on learning professionalism and addressing their own shortcomings.
Display MoreI agree that is a sound reasoning for a normal corporate positions. However in an entertainment industry, especially if dirty laundry has already been spilled, you exhausted all your options, and the management still does not listen- going public may be your last resort. No matter the reparations and punishments that follows. That is something you have most likely already willing to confront.
Given what Hybe has been spilling the last couple months, does any one really think they value constructive input, contractual agreements, and fair play? A normal company might be, but probably not Hybe.
Company throws money to their investments and capital because it generates revenue for them. Treating them good or not, is optional.
You can't throw money at me and say I have been treating you good, all the while molesting me, yknow?
In any case, best of luck to the girls and Tokkies honestly. Shitshows for everyone involved.
I mean it is very hard for HYBE to be nice and fair play considering the girls are showing support to a person (MHJ) that the company has tons of lawsuits against.
It's like imagine you are the boss of your company and this employee of yours tries to backstab you. Lets say you open a cafe or whatever and that employee tries to screw you over. You and that employee engage in a long legal battle. A group of 5 other employees decide to publicly take the side of that person that tries to screw me over. And imagine in this situation everyone are fully grown adults
And furthermore, these 5 other employees are now shaming your company, making demands from you and giving you an ultimatum.
I wouldn't expect you to play nice to any of the 6 people.
It just sucks that in this case it isn't 6 adults, it's 1 adult dragging in 5 kids into the entire legal mess. The adults are failing the girls
Display MoreI mean it is very hard for HYBE to be nice and fair play considering the girls are showing support to a person (MHJ) that the company has tons of lawsuits against.
It's like imagine you are the boss of your company and this employee of yours tries to backstab you. Lets say you open a cafe or whatever and that employee tries to screw you over. You and that employee engage in a long legal battle. A group of 5 other employees decide to publicly take the side of that person that tries to screw me over. And imagine in this situation everyone are fully grown adults
And furthermore, these 5 other employees are now shaming your company, making demands from you and giving you an ultimatum.
I wouldn't expect you to play nice to any of the 6 people.
It just sucks that in this case it isn't 6 adults, it's 1 adult dragging in 5 kids into the entire legal mess. The adults are failing the girls
Total valid points. However, if an investment is bringing in so much revenue and the company had beef with its CEO which is a subsidiary of the group, shouldn't the proper choice and action is to show these girls that although we had a fallout with your CEO, we would still like to work with you (cash cow). And so we will show you the proper courtesy and support, be the bigger person, you don't need that woman to succeed, we can help you, too. <- this point is referencing in the earlier stage of the dispute, not currently as we all know it's far too late and gone.
As for the backstabbing, should we try to understand the reason why it was done (not justifying, just for discussion)? Besides MHJ bigass ego, Band PD promised to debut a GG under MHJ, but he backtracked and wanted to debut a GG of himself, whilst using MHJ name for the GG as she is a known professional in the game. Similarly JYP comes to Day6 and say, hey you guys are amazing singers and song writers, I would love to debut you guys! They signed contract under promises. 2 years later when the boys is about ready, JYP come and say well, I have another band in mind but don't worry! You guys can help write songs and direct this band instead, and we'll give you guys credit for debuting them! We'll debut you sometimes after them. As a fan, what would your reaction be? What would Day6 be?
As many fans have mentioned, Day6 should just follow JYP's order because they are employee and had signed a contract, they should heed the boss's order. I think this is where dispute comes in. I would feel stuffy and duke it out. Trust is lost.
Backstabbing may well already be on the way whether BangPD broke his promise or not, but it sure does give motivation for the planning.
I once called out my boss during a Teams meeting (wasn’t planned tho)
I thought I was fired after this, but thankfully two other colleagues also complained and he had to give in somehow lol. He called me after the meeting and said he appreciates feedback, but I should have reported any issue to the HR…Well I did and with no results, he even started to act more shady towards me.
But now he has been much nicer to us, and that only because he was called out in front of all the other employees and couldn’t find excuses or hide behind HR and I wasn’t the only one who felt that way.
Thats why the US is known for its unions. Strength in numbers.
Bosses literally can decide whether you have a house anymore and people in this thread are like “and you should have to ask their permission to breathe in another room because theyre your overlord” like what is going on here???
The comments here...
I Always figured company stans would unironically bring back slave contracts if they could lmao
I dont know why i’m shocked that theyre all like “yeah and HYBE should be able to execute them by firing squad too”
Display MoreTotal valid points. However, if an investment is bringing in so much revenue and the company had beef with its CEO which is a subsidiary of the group, shouldn't the proper choice and action is to show these girls that although we had a fallout with your CEO, we would still like to work with you (cash cow). And so we will show you the proper courtesy and support, be the bigger person, you don't need that woman to succeed, we can help you, too. <- this point is referencing in the earlier stage of the dispute, not currently as we all know it's far too late and gone.
As for the backstabbing, should we try to understand the reason why it was done (not justifying, just for discussion)? Besides MHJ bigass ego, Band PD promised to debut a GG under MHJ, but he backtracked and wanted to debut a GG of himself, whilst using MHJ name for the GG as she is a known professional in the game. Similarly JYP comes to Day6 and say, hey you guys are amazing singers and song writers, I would love to debut you guys! They signed contract under promises. 2 years later when the boys is about ready, JYP come and say well, I have another band in mind but don't worry! You guys can help write songs and direct this band instead, and we'll give you guys credit for debuting them! We'll debut you sometimes after them. As a fan, what would your reaction be? What would Day6 be?
As many fans have mentioned, Day6 should just follow JYP's order because they are employee and had signed a contract, they should heed the boss's order. I think this is where dispute comes in. I would feel stuffy and duke it out. Trust is lost.
Backstabbing may well already be on the way whether BangPD broke his promise or not, but it sure does give motivation for the planning.
It's a totally different scenario.
The equivalent scenario is that if they decide to debut MHJ, which is not the case.
If they promised to debut MHJ but end up asking her to write songs (which she don't actually she don't actually even write anything) for NJs then it is unfair
I think employees should always be able to voice their opinions. Doing it in Public depends on the misstreatment they face.
Being ignored or sidelined is not really a problem as long as you still get paid.
Being harrased, insulted or even violence is a complete different Story. That makes people sick, get them burnedout etc.
I only know about salaries between around 50k-300k, not millions. But Most people cant stand constant insults no matter how much money it is. In that case they better get out to not receive constant damage to their health. And in that case its totally fair to call out your employer for giving you Burnout or mental damage.
I dont take hate from antis into consideration because that is a given in that workplace. But how the company tries to protect you from said antis should be taken into consideration.
I dont know how serious the Situation ist for Newsjeans. So i have no opinions about their case.
My Department lost 75% of its employees due to burnout or people left for other jobs bevor the company kicked the responsible superior. I only stayed because im more resilent and know that kings and tyranns come and go. 
Imagine what a world would be like if every unhappy employee goes on a social media rampage to blast their bosses and openly seek demands and give ultimatums
I mean some of y'all would love it good for you guys
I do hope that in future if y'all have any business of your own, the people you hire won't make videos blasting you and your company to the world while you are sleeping because y'all don't deserve that too.
But of course if you guys want that to happen, good for you too I guess
Taeyeon also regularly shits on SM including at her concerts but she's still there.
It's a good thing she still makes them money, otherwise she wouldn't be. She's one example of someone who talks shit because they can and not because they have legitimate grievances.
Display MoreImagine what a world would be like if every unhappy employee goes on a social media rampage to blast their bosses and openly seek demands and give ultimatums
I mean some of y'all would love it good for you guys
I do hope that in future if y'all have any business of your own, the people you hire won't make videos blasting you and your company to the world while you are sleeping because y'all don't deserve that too.
But of course, if you guys want that to happen, good for you too I guess
Nice pro company bullshit.
In the real world, companies have the power, not the people. If a normal employee goes on social media and blast their bosses or something, they get fired, simple as that. Probably there is a clause in the contract about this and they get paid less for termination of contract. And then good luck in finding a good job with that past.
Always the employee has more to risk in this scenario. Not always the public are going to take your side (remember how everyone was against 50-50 members)
Knowing how the contracts in Kpop are so favorable to the company (They write them XD) and being aware of all the stories of abuse in kpop, imply that the employee have the advantage is hilarious.
Yes
Nice pro company bullshit.
In the real world, companies have the power, not the people. If a normal employee goes on social media and blast their bosses or something, they get fired, simple as that. Probably there is a clause in the contract about this and they get paid less for termination of contract. And then good luck in finding a good job with that past.Always the employee has more to risk in this scenario. Not always the public are going to take your side (remember how everyone was against 50-50 members)
Knowing how the contracts in Kpop are so favorable to the company (They write them XD) and being aware of all the stories of abuse in kpop, imply that the employee have the advantage is hilarious.
I didn't imply that employees have the advantage.
And you said it yourself, contracts are favourable to the company obviously, they aren't a charity.
And like I said, I do hope that in future if any of you are the boss of your company your employees aren't blasting you on social media.
It would be funny if you made a contract that does not benefit you. But if you want to open a charity I'm not stopping you.
I don't deny that the contract are unfavorable to the employees, but employees have the decision to not sign them.
It is an economic decision, after an employee weighs the pros and cons of the contract, and thus after make a conscious decision to sign it.
It's the same thing that happens around the world. You sign a contractual agreement to buy a house because you decide that after weighing the pros and cons, the benefit you get from owning the house is more than the detriments of not owning it.
You buy a bag because you weigh the pros and cons, that the joy you get from buying that bag, is more than the cost you are going to fork out in buying that bag.
Same thing when it comes to work.
Obviously you don't map it out and graph it and so a deep technical analysis about it, but it is how the brain works. You decide what is best for yourself even bad decisions. For instance, you decide that taking drugs is worth the satisfaction you get, compared to the potential harmful effects it might cause on your body after. I decide that I want to get my fries despite knowing it isn't good to my body. I made the decision to eat that fking fries because I want to.
And in NJs case, they decide that the benefit from doing that video, is more than the detriments of doing so. And I won't fault them for it because it is their decision.
This wouldn't have happened if the parents of NJs have not failed them, which they did, period.
And I know after this people are going to twist my words and say how I'm pro company when that is how reality and life works
My Department lost 75% of its employees due to burnout or people left for other jobs bevor the company kicked the responsible superior. I only stayed because im more resilent and know that kings and tyranns come and go.
75% ?? Damn…So many companies still don’t understand that happy employees also mean better productivity!
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