These two groups (boy group and girl group) are the best live performers in K-Pop history and it's not even close

Not even close

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Also TTS and Red Velvet voices are more beautiful .

Also if Big Bang are the best performers, so then BP are as well .

Is your ranking based on performance mostly or performance+vocals cause that's diffrent imo.

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Nah Strongly disagree!

There are many groups who perform better than BigBang!

I don’t know about MamaMoo tho, I haven’t watched them

Agree with BB. They are the act that I watch more live performances ever. The way i always go back to their videos bc they are that good!!

And ggs I'll be biased and say BP bc i love some of their performances and tbh I don't watch others ggs live that much to have an opinion. In kpop I pretty much just listen their songs and sometimes watch their promo era.

This is what we call a performance!

15.5 year old group performing 3 out 5 yet slaying hard!

This was the best performance in MMA 2023!

I knew which groups you were talking about without clicking the thread lol.

So I guess the definition of best performers are 2 things based on the replies:

1) Play the stage and interactions with audience

2) Really good choreography and dancing

So if we purely talking about number 1, I think BB would be correct. Unless there are other BG out there who does the same? If we talk about number 2, there are alot more others; EXO, BTS, Shinee, DBSK, Im sure fangirls can name more. A set of choreography is means to move here, move there, dance here, dance there. Any BG can duplicate, name one who can't. But to adlib, move freely and to just mic-in-hand do whatever you want, I think it's different. It's what rapper do mostly, since they cannot dance. They play the audience. It's more free, non-rehearsed.

Mamamoo is great at live singing, but I don't think their choreography are great compare to their peers. Red Velvet is great in both. Some GG excels in dance but not vocal and vice versa. If we're talking about 1, I maybe agree with MMM. But with 2, I won't put MMM within the top 5 lol.

There’s at least a dozen bg I’d put ahead of the best gg honestly the difference is immence.

Maybe, maybe not. This kind of discussion always takes a very subjective approach.

so everything in this thread can be basically summarised to

"different strokes for different folks"

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Nonsense

I called this perfectly, and I have the most live K-Pop experience of anyone here, so my opinion is certified.

I'd like to know which groups people feel belong here instead and it better not just be "my favs"

did you get the answer you were looking for OR was it more of my favs >>>> your favs

Not really. Both those groups don’t even dance well and so they don’t really give as much as other groups that can both sing and dance at a high level and be good at that.

If you specifically only like certain type of performances they maybe good but they don’t really represent “Kpop idol music and performance” that well and don’t deserve to be compared to groups that have that as their strength.

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Compared to which groups? I'd love to know whom you're thinking of.

Any actually. Like a MMM performance would actually quite literally bore me to death.

I would go to a twice concert over MMM any day of the week. That’s why MMM isn’t a group that can tour nearly as well as Twice.

Now yes bigbang seems to transcend the idol image and had successful and huge concerts even without the theatrics but personally any of EXO or Seventeen or BTS are like a billion times more enjoyable and do so much more than bigbang.

Like it can be a million years and bigbang can never ever do something like this

The clips you showed me put me sleep compared to this. We get a billion performances in the west better than bigbang. Why do I need to watch bigbang.

But this type of theatrics that’s so quintessentially kpop, idol groups do it much better. I’m sure 17 or BTS fans can also link many performances that’s much better than bigbangs.

Like I said the groups you linked don’t even deserve to be compared to all the idol groups that do so much more than them.

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That's fine. We all have our preferences. I've seen both multiple times. Mamamoo was on another level. But if you don't care about hearing incredible singing and good enough dancing in person, it is what it is.

Uh, no. That's a completely illogical conclusion and you jumped about ten whale sharks to reach it.

Twice tour better because they're a more popular group, not because they're better performers. Be for real.

I like how you threw in BTS and 17 like you didn't just want to name Exo from the start. At least be honest about your true feelings

From my perspective, you could drop videos of a dozen different idol groups doing what you just linked. I mean, you named literally 3.

Nobody in the industry can pull off what Big Bang or Mamamoo do.

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I mean that’s no secret lol ofc EXO. A Group that’s known for their spectacular concerts and won multiple awards for them is ofc better than bigbang that’s a given

But the reason I also added 17 and BTS is because they have skill levels that’s acknowledged to be high in multiple disciplines which bigbang are not.

Like I said the stuff you linked isn’t even a good representation of all that kpop offers and therefore isn’t even in contention for the best of conversations.

Anyway the poll was a resounding loss so I guess it’s not just me that disagrees with you.

Also for twice I disagree with you they are spectacular at keeping the stage alive it’s actually a direct result of their concerts being successful. Their concert videos and stages were so beloved that it led to them having bigger and bigger tours. Absolutely groups that do similar numbers or sometimes even more numbers than them on various platforms will NOT be able to tour like them. There’s just no two ways about it. And even as their recent cbs “flop” meaning they aren’t trendy any more their concerts are growing exponentially.

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Of course it's more my favs >>> your favs

It's laughable that people think live performances aren't an easy W for Mamamoo against any girl group

And Big Bang? Their stages are absolutely legendary.

Both groups give the aura of not only idols but true artists

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We all have our preferences.

isn't this what it all boils down to?

I think my favs are the best because they are my favs

you think your favs are the best because they are your favs

because it comes down to the criteria one uses for determining "best live performance" (or anything else really)

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incredible singing and good enough dancing

that seems to be your criteria which is subjective

others might have a different criteria OR even using your criteria others might have a different opinion

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Nah fam.

I yield a lot to other top girl groups without saying much. But live performances?

No way!

so everybody else's opinion is wrong and only yours is correct?

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Big Bang is skilled in the major discipline being highlighted in this thread--incredible live performances. You feel like you're at a damn party, and the way they engage with and energize a crowd is something no other boy group can come close to pulling off.

Same with Mamamoo. They ad lib a lot during their stages, they interact with the crowd constantly, they LIVE for and LOVE the stage and find ways to make sure no one show is the exact same, which I can personally vouch for as someone who's been to multiple concerts consecutive days in a row.

It's fine if you don't like Mamamoo, but you're just being flat out disrespectful by acting like they aren't amazing performers, which is literally a HUGE part of their reputation as idols.

If you prefer groups that dedicate majority of their talents to dancing, so be it. But for people that want a 100% live show stopping dynamic demonstration of talent and versatility unlike any other girl group, it's Mamamoo.

The stage where they all took turns performing each other's solo songs was a legendary example of that, and I have dozens and dozens of more to pull from if need be.

Mamamoo got invited to Immortal Song 2 about 12 times, and were the first idol group to ever win there. This is what they do.

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Idk I feel ppl like MMM are dime a dozen and it’s the theatrics of kpop that makes kpop better. You’re allowed to feel differently.

In Korea ofc their local music is beloved but for me as an ifan that’s exposed a lot of different stuff kpop that doesn’t have the theatrics is simply not interesting and isn’t worth including in discussions about great performances. So I’d never even bother with groups like MMM.

IMO they didn’t grow beyond what they were when global expansion was at the peak for 3rd gen GGs is because they are boring.

This is also imo why red velvet lost to twice or BP. They’re just not that interesting on stage.

For me MMM (and RV and many others on 3rd gen) aren’t as big as twice or BP because they were not interesting performers. Anyway this isn’t a catch all definition and there are good performing groups that aren’t very popular but imo MMM isn’t that category and imo they were never bigger than what they were BECAUSE they didn’t offer many interesting things that others in kpop were offering.

Don’t feel like talking about bigbang any more everyone knows I think they’re trash beneath my feet and overrated so anything I say about them will be moot so I’ll discuss that maybe some other time. I think objectively many BG’s are better than them but especially someone like EXO who sing better and dance better and perform better.

BIGBANG hands down 🙌🏼

Never heard of Mamamoo but i’ll take your words on it…

Nah, they are the best tryhard wannabe western performers in kpop

EXO just entered the chat

This kind of question is subjective and everyone has different tastes in performances

100% agree, especially about MAMAMOO! I mean, it's literally an OFFICIAL title, they got it from the industry, not from fans, so there's no reason to argue about this. About Bigbang, they're on the top, but I could name a couple of others as well.

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Is your ranking based on performance mostly or performance+vocals cause that's diffrent imo.

Performance is about, vocals, rap, dance, and overall stage presence and how the artists handles the crowd. Without amazing live vocals, dancing and rapping there's no performance.

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100% agree, especially about MAMAMOO! I mean, it's literally an OFFICIAL title, they got it from the industry, not from fans, so there's no reason to argue about this. About Bigbang, they're on the top, but I could name a couple of others as well.

Performance is about, vocals, rap, dance, and overall stage presence and how the artists handles the crowd. Without amazing live vocals, dancing and rapping there's no performance.

yeah but for example mamamoo are great performers but i prefer red velvet's voices and even thought they are less charismatic on stage than mamamoo, their voices and what they do with it is just more beautiful and intersting for me. so ...