Korea is too small of an Area for BlackPink; They should go all in for the Global Girl Group title.

Why 2025? Probably but why????

The big question is are they all renewing contracts with yg? I don't think so.

As Ben Affleck asked Michael Bay -"Why is it easier to train oil drillers to become astronauts than to train astronauts to become oil drillers?"

Assuming your scheme is viable, then better to teach Jisoo better English than add a new member at this stage.

Talking about Global Girl Group, isn't it a nonsensical title, given that outside Korea, there aren't many girl groups in the first place.

Does the West even have any major girl groups now? - Spice Girls, Destiny's Child are all done.. I guess the PussyCat Dolls are still around.

So who are they even competing with?

It is funny that in AKP, people will ignore soloists like IU when discussing Korean and focus on groups alone - but internationally .. what groups.

At least with the guys.. I suppose there are some viable bands -One Direction. Coldplay(?) around - bands if not groups.. but with girls, is there even any such thing.

So "Global Girl Group" sounds a shallow title.

I would love to see Somi added. She fits in seamlessly with this group. But there is no need to take out Jisoo lol. BP comes back once every two years, i think Jisoo will be able to handle a month of choreo practice and a month of promotions every two years, no matter how difficult English and dancing are for her.

But all of this sounds like long term planning that's gonna go into effect in 2024 at the earliest. By that time, Jisoo will be 29, Jennie 28, and Chaelisa 27, are we really expecting them to comeback as a group at that point? Even Somi wont be young by Kpop standards, she'll be 23 by then and perhaps too old and too entrenched as a soloist and well known influencer at that point to rejoin a GG.

I think this World Tour is BP's swan song as a group. I think they will all re-sign but as solo artists, actors, producers. BP wont be disbanded but i dont see them doing a full comeback as a group outside of maybe a few special performances, a special single or two (exactly what BTS is doing right now actually).

You have a lot of imagination

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you're losing a lot of fans that way.

honestly, that's a big mistake that a lot of kpop groups make when promoting internationally, they always forget about their Korean fans. and when (expectedly) they fail to actually reach popularity internationally, they have no where to fall back on.

And while yes Blackpink is definitely popular enough internationally to get by without Korea, it would also be a huge loss to abandon it completely. a lot of their sales still come from Korea, and a lot of their streams still come from Korea. hell, they are THE girl group in Korea right now with each member being popular enough to make it solo and be successful. abandoning your biggest and most stable market for a smaller one that shows potential, but is risky, isn't the best idea.

not to mention, if blinks wanted to go listen to a girl group with all English songs, theyd go listen to little mix or boys world. blinks like Blackpink BECAUSE they are kpop, because they speak Korean and show their background in their songs. if they've made it this far with Korean songs then why should they stop, it pleases both audiences so there isn't a need to.

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So it should be much easier to become the biggest GG in the world, I am glad you agree.

This is why you do not get some YG Rookie, you get Somi. Not much to teach her, she is already a better dancer than Jennie and Rose.

Sure, singing skills will drop a little, but is not like BP songs are hard to sing, just say du-du-du-du and rat -tat-tat-tat here and there and you have a global hit song.

You didn't read the rest of my comment.

The biggest GG in the world is the biggest boast, since there are hardly any GGs active outside K-pop today?

What's the point of being the Queens of an empty Queendom?

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Meh, Koreans are going to drop BP eventually, as a poster said above the girls are in the upper 20's, that is old for the Korean public, the world, the world is fine with grown women, this can be just the start of Global BP to be bigger than the Spice girls ever were.

Nah i don't think so, eventually, Blackpink will lose steam, but that will happen to every single group. however, Blackpink is outdoing every other girl group who debuted with them in the third-gen, those said girl groups have lost steam while Blackpink is continuing to make hits, and they're still the number 1 girl group.

and like I said Blackpink is still growing while making english/korean songs. there doesn't need to be a complete shift.

I think they could pull off some good English versions if they consult with the right people to dodge any "gon finna" flurbs that don't make sense to heads that understand "the speak".

They can always help one another if general pronunciation is an issue within the group.

Assuming Jisoo leaves the group and the rest of the girls stay (I'd give it a 30% chance), and Somi wants to join a group (30% chance), and Teddy thinks replacing Jisoo is a good idea instead of going with the remaining 3 (10% chance), then he would probably go with Somi. Who else?

But if Somi wants to join a group, from Teddy's perspective it would make way more sense to add her to his next group. Somi would add way more value/hype to the new group, and Teddy must be feeling pressure to make the next group a hit.

Blackpink would still work with Lisa, Rose and Jennie (they have all the positions covered), and adding a new member probably wouldn't be worth the controversy. As far as international appeal/english speaking goes, Rose and Jennie are fluent and Lisa is decent now. It would also be a bad idea to go 100% English. That's just burning bridges for no good reason. They are already moving towards more English in their songs anyway.

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hell, they are THE girl group in Korea right now with each member being popular enough to make it solo and be successful

So about that, spending some time in Korea, it's pretty interesting. BP definitely charts well in Korea but the general consensus I've been getting is that people like BP fine but they all think BP isn't super popular in Korea. They often just say they're more popular outside of the country and that the country doesn't really like YG.

I say this as a Blink myself and I admit I was taken aback by the subdued "enthusiasm" when Pink Venom came out. Don't get me wrong, people like them but they certainly don't feel like THE gg here. The thing that's been driving the conversation here is practically anything from SM and trendy ggs like NewJeans and IVE. Mind you this is very anecdotal and the feedback I'm getting has only been in Seoul and Incheon. Perhaps BP is huge in other parts of the country like Busan or something.

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As Ben Affleck asked Michael Bay -"Why is it easier to train oil drillers to become astronauts than to train astronauts to become oil drillers?"

Assuming your scheme is viable, then better to teach Jisoo better English than add a new member at this stage.

Talking about Global Girl Group, isn't it a nonsensical title, given that outside Korea, there aren't many girl groups in the first place.

Does the West even have any major girl groups now? - Spice Girls, Destiny's Child are all done.. I guess the PussyCat Dolls are still around.

So who are they even competing with?

It is funny that in AKP, people will ignore soloists like IU when discussing Korean and focus on groups alone - but internationally .. what groups.

At least with the guys.. I suppose there are some viable bands -One Direction. Coldplay(?) around - bands if not groups.. but with girls, is there even any such thing.

So "Global Girl Group" sounds a shallow title.

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They had gone into a vs with Little Mix ever since their international breakthrough, they are done now, but that don't mean it was an empty queendom though, BP already earn the title cause they competed in markets in which ggs don't break in while leading by a big gap in kpop side.

They didn't had it easy jsut because there was 1 competition internationally.

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Meh, Koreans are going to drop BP eventually, as a poster said above the girls are in the upper 20's, that is old for the Korean public, the world, the world is fine with grown women, this can be just the start of Global BP to be bigger than the Spice girls ever were.

Blackpink is clearly an exception. Their career trajectory is still upward close to the 7 year mark, their concept ages well, the Korean public will remain interested as long as they are the world's biggest GG, and Teddy still seems devoted to the group in his own slow way. I'd give them at least 5 more years.

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They had gone into a vs with Little Mix ever since their international breakthrough, they are done now, but that don't mean it was an empty queendom though, BP already earn the title cause they competed in markets in which ggs don't break in while leading by a big gap in kpop side.

They didn't had it easy jsut because there was 1 competition internationally.

The point I am trying to make is that internationally they aren't limited to competing with just GGs, they have to compete against all.

Then why while discussing Korean charts or comparing with Korean groups, does the narrative switch to GGs alone.

Seems a convenient hypocrisy.

In Korea why not compare against IU then?

Either it is ALL in both contexts.

Or just GGs in both contexts.

And internationally GGs are scarce, so Biggest GG is a shallow boast.

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So about that, spending some time in Korea, it's pretty interesting. BP definitely charts well in Korea but the general consensus I've been getting is that people like BP fine but they all think BP isn't super popular in Korea. They often just say they're more popular outside of the country and that the country doesn't really like YG.

I say this as a Blink myself and I admit I was taken aback by the subdued "enthusiasm" when Pink Venom came out. Don't get me wrong, people like them but they certainly don't feel like THE gg here. The thing that's been driving the conversation here is practically anything from SM and trendy ggs like NewJeans and IVE. Mind you this is very anecdotal and the feedback I'm getting has only been in Seoul and Incheon. Perhaps BP is huge in other parts of the country like Busan or something.

hmm that's interesting. I've seen videos from Korean YouTubers who interview koreans about bp (corny i know but i was curious) and they got the opposite reaction.

I'm the first blink to admit that Blackpink doesn't have the biggest fandom in korea, but i do feel like they have the gp around their fingers because of the way that they have been charting and selling, bc i know its definitely not all kblinks. their vma performance has also been trending number 1 on korean youtube. they've also been number 1 on the brand reputation thing since forever ago. im not denying that newer groups like @@@1cf66640-6b76-4184-bada-476a4258823b@@@ or ive are the talk right now. but I feel like overall, Blackpink is still the biggest girl group. new things come and go but bp has always stuck with them one way or another.

and i don't want to sound like an American who thinks i know everything cause i don't, obviously i wouldnt know bc i dont live over there, this is just what I'm taking from the way bp is performing compared to their 3rd gen girl group counterparts.

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So about that, spending some time in Korea, it's pretty interesting. BP definitely charts well in Korea but the general consensus I've been getting is that people like BP fine but they all think BP isn't super popular in Korea. They often just say they're more popular outside of the country and that the country doesn't really like YG.

I say this as a Blink myself and I admit I was taken aback by the subdued "enthusiasm" when Pink Venom came out. Don't get me wrong, people like them but they certainly don't feel like THE gg here. The thing that's been driving the conversation here is practically anything from SM and trendy ggs like NewJeans and IVE. Mind you this is very anecdotal and the feedback I'm getting has only been in Seoul and Incheon. Perhaps BP is huge in other parts of the country like Busan or something.

I think what u have witnessed is same for all of korea. Korea has been basically success stanning bp after 2019 burning scandal. Winner cameback after 2 years and could barely chart at 30s even after going countless variety shows and 4 weeks of music shows. Bigbang is an anomaly and ikon had their biggest flop. It's really bad for yg in korea. They really need treasure to hit big and retain blackpink to convince people to not short their stock to the ground in the future.

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The point I am trying to make is that internationally they aren't limited to competing with just GGs, they have to compete against all.

Then why while discussing Korean charts or comparing with Korean groups, does the narrative switch to GGs alone.

Seems a convenient hypocrisy.

In Korea why not compare against IU then?

Either it is ALL in both contexts.

Or just GGs in both contexts.

And internationally GGs are scarce, so Biggest GG is a shallow boast.

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I mean its not excluyent though? just because no one includes female or solo acts in the competition during korean rankings they still meet in charts and manages to stand on their own getting records and things. And convenient hipocrisy? I mean if you want to throw IU in the biggest female kpop act into the convo her International stats still would bring her down compared to some ggs, wouldn't see how the ranking changes except maybe she is in 3rd place or 2nd, but since the world has 7billion of population and SK only 51m, she still wouldn't get 1

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I mean its not excluyent though? just because no one includes female or solo acts in the competition during korean rankings they still meet in charts and manages to stand on their own getting records and things. And convenient hipocrisy? I mean if you want to throw IU in the biggest female kpop act into the convo her International stats still would bring her down compared to some ggs, wouldn't see how the ranking changes except maybe she is in 3rd place or 2nd, but since the world has 7billion of population and SK only 51m, she still wouldn't get 1

First make a choice whether you want to do

Korean alone comparisons

OR Intnl comparisons

Then decide,

ALL acts comparison OR

GG against GG comparison

Mixing these to show up ones faves, is the convenient hypocrisy.

If doing

#Intnl and ALL: BP won't be the top ranking

#Intnl and GG: They will be the top, just that they don't have any competition, not just from Korea, but even from elsewhere.

#Korean and ALL: Again they won't be the toppers.

#Korean and GG: Then they have strong competition and may or may not top, depending on the situation.

I used IU as an example, but it could be others too BigBang etc

And nobody is going around claiming IU is the greatest soloist internationally. So irrelevant.

Edit: There is no doubt, that outside Korea, BP is the most popular among all Korean GGs.

That's the correct claim to fame.

So the "Most globally popular K-pop GG"

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and i don't want to sound like an American who thinks i know everything cause i don't, obviously i wouldnt know bc i dont live over there, this is just what I'm taking from the way bp is performing compared to their 3rd gen girl group counterparts.

Take it from me. I'm an American myself. It's very likely we're projecting BP's popularity onto them, at least in Seoul or Incheon and we may have to be mindful of skewed data we're getting. They're not scrubs by any stretch of the imagination but they're not talked about like THE girl group either from folks or the media. I will point out though that it does say something that BP is generally liked even though the Korean public is Anti-YG right now. Shows they're likable enough that folks are giving them a pass despite the association. So yay there!

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It's really bad for yg in korea. They really need treasure to hit big and retain blackpink to convince people to not short their stock to the ground in the future.

This is absolutely the impression I'm getting from here. Big time aversion to YG right now.

South Korea is too small of a market for today's kpop industry period.

That doesn't mean they need to go all English though.

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First make a choice whether you want to do

Korean alone comparisons

OR Intnl comparisons

Then decide,

ALL acts comparison OR

GG against GG comparison

Mixing these to show up ones faves, is the convenient hypocrisy.

If doing

#Intnl and ALL: BP won't be the top ranking

#Intnl and GG: They will be the top, just that they don't have any competition, not just from Korea, but even from elsewhere.

#Korean and ALL: Again they won't be the toppers.

#Korean and GG: Then they have strong competition and may or may not top, depending on the situation.

I used IU as an example, but it could be others too BigBang etc

And nobody is going around claiming IU is the greatest soloist internationally. So irrelevant.

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Female korean acts, because that is the subject that I thought you were refering when bringing IU into the convo, If we go in all and international, its BP, if we have to narrow it down to SK, which doesn't make sense cause we are in a globalizated period, its IU.

We do have to make differences because there are advantages for every "category" in each way.

First of all, there are advantges per genre and sex, male singers at least in the pop side don't have it easy to break it in for the gp, in opposite female popstars do have it more easier, but being females in the music industry is much harder than being a male in the music industry.

Then we have the advantages based on numbers of acts. Soloists are largely preferred to Groups, that is a proven given the difficulty of having at least one group per decade getting the attention.

And yeah nobody is claiming it but you sound bitter about it with the whole "there is no competition so its a shallow title and why don't bring to compete them with all acts in SK". How I noted earlier there are advantages/walls in the music scene per genre, sex and number, so having an act that is able to break through while having competition internationally and domestically, does make it a valid title.

Also, this convenient things goes both ways considering you grade your own system based on SK alone despite international platforms having way more easy data to track and transparent stats than domestical platforms.

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Female korean acts, because that is the subject that I thought you were refering when bringing IU into the convo, If we go in all and international, its BP, if we have to narrow it down to SK, which doesn't make sense cause we are in a globalizated period, its IU.

We do have to make differences because there are advantages for every "category" in each way.

First of all, there are advantges per genre and sex, male singers at least in the pop side don't have it easy to break it in for the gp, in opposite female popstars do have it more easier, but being females in the music industry is much harder than being a male in the music industry.

Then we have the advantages based on numbers of acts. Soloists are largely preferred to Groups, that is a proven given the difficulty of having at least one group per decade getting the attention.

And yeah nobody is claiming it but you sound bitter about it with the whole "there is no competition so its a shallow title and why don't bring to compete them with all acts in SK". How I noted earlier there are advantages/walls in the music scene per genre, sex and number, so having an act that is able to break through while having competition internationally and domestically, does make it a valid title.

Also, this convenient things goes both ways considering you grade your own system based on SK alone despite international platforms having way more easy data to track and transparent stats than domestical platforms.

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It is a common Kpop fallacy, that when one doesn't like the other side of debate, to accuse them of things like "Bitterness".

Even if the other party is arguing out of such emotions, the substance of the argument should still be addressed.

I could very easily reply back saying you are too "besotted" of BP, that you are letting it affect your logic.

So let's not do that, shall well?

As to the claim, this whole thread is based on that claim.

As to the reliability of international platforms over SK, that is a joke, when there is next to no reliable data from China or India, huge markets whose info is sparse or unavailable.

Yet we call the data as 'international'.

Which brings up the point, that there can be no debate without a consensus on the frame of reference.

You don't trust SK charts, I find "international" a misnomer..

So this will lead to nowhere.

I will stick to "BP is globally the most popular K-pop Girl Group"

Bye

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Rose and Somi are native speakers, they should have final approval on all lyrics going forward.

These are 2 of the "inside consultants" for general English they can always ask, "What do you think about how this sounds?"

Lmaoo what is this clownery ?!

Btw regarding the whole eng songs thingy

The pinks & teddy aren't chasing western success..just yet or maybe never

If they wanted to go full global then PV would have been full eng or the next single that is also in Korean & solo

Rumours has it they have drake & dua on their album yet they're not pushing those as singles (ice cream probably played a part in that decision)

Perhaps with their 2024 era they will go full global but for now it doesn't seem like it's something they are after at all