Which groups would you consider in different levels of success?
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its pretty easy to say who is super successful and who is nugu but it gets difficult to compare the groups in between
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like how do i decide if brave girls/ everglow are mid range successful or low range successful?
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Would say Day6 is mid range successful
They dont have huge streams, but the Korean GP knows them, at least definitely more than many other BGs out there even though I keep joking say they are nugu. They don't have huge sales, but they are actually one of the best selling K-bands.
Despite their 'nuguness', they managed to have 2 World Tours which many groups won't be able to do. They probably could have had more if not for covid or mental health hiatus.
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its pretty easy to say who is super successful and who is nugu but it gets difficult to compare the groups in between
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I broadly say anyone who hasn’t reached 100k sales in this present sales boom are definitely nugus.
For other rankings ask in a year or so. Primarily because I want to see everyone’s concert numbers in the next couple of years before putting them in a bracket.
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current active boy groups
Very Successful - BTS, SVT, NCT, SKZ, TXT, Enhypen
Midrange Successful - the Boyz, Ateez
Low range Successful - ONF, CIX, ab6ix, Wei,
Nugu - cravity, bae173, dkb, kingdom, tan
Very Successful - twice, blackpink, RV, aespa, Itzy, ive,
Midrange Successful - stayc,
Low range Successful - fromis 9, wjsn, Loona, everglow , weeekly
Nugu - cherry bullet, lightsum, bandit, PIXY,
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its pretty easy to say who is super successful and who is nugu but it gets difficult to compare the groups in between
True. And people only wouldn't agree on what criteria should be used anyway.
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like how do i decide if brave girls/ everglow are mid range successful or low range successful?
I guess it would all be relative to other groups. Like if you found groups that you thought were less successful than them but more successful than who you think are in the nugu category. So relative rankings rather than absolute, objective ones.
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Would say Day6 is mid range successful
They dont have huge streams, but the Korean GP knows them, at least definitely more than many other BGs out there even though I keep joking say they are nugu. They don't have huge sales, but they are actually one of the best selling K-bands.
Despite their 'nuguness', they managed to have 2 World Tours which many groups won't be able to do. They probably could have had more if not for covid or mental health hiatus.
I would agree with this. Would you them put a group like the Rose into lowrange and then Xdinary Heroes as nugu?
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I'm still struggling to understand how people define Nugu, everyone is slightly different but as of late has gone from meaning 'small unknown groups' to anyone that's not from a top 4 company is now nugu as a kind of insult.
I hate that people use it as an insult (or as a synonym for non-big 4). Just because a group hasn't found commercial success, doesn't mean their music isn't good or that they aren't worthy of respect. Nugu should just mean not well known in my book.
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I broadly say anyone who hasn’t reached 100k sales in this present sales boom are definitely nugus.
For other rankings ask in a year or so. Primarily because I want to see everyone’s concert numbers in the next couple of years before putting them in a bracket.
True, we're coming out of a weird time so the next year or so should be telling
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I hate that people use it as an insult (or as a synonym for non-big 4). Just because a group hasn't found commercial success, doesn't mean their music isn't good or that they aren't worthy of respect. Nugu should just mean not well known in my book.
I agree. Like, as a joke to drag your own faves from time to time, fine, I can live with that. As an insult? Heck no!
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I didn't know i could do that.
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I didn't know i could do that.
If you go to the Kbs YouTube account and look through the latest music bank episode posted performances (they post each group separately) - you can definitely get a sense of who's popular. Chungha sadly seems to have fallen off.
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current active boy groups
Very Successful - BTS, SVT, NCT, SKZ, TXT, Enhypen
Midrange Successful - the Boyz, Ateez
Low range Successful - ONF, CIX, ab6ix, Wei,
Nugu - cravity, bae173, dkb, kingdom, tan
Very Successful - twice, blackpink, RV, aespa, Itzy, ive,
Midrange Successful - stayc,
Low range Successful - fromis 9, wjsn, Loona, everglow , weeekly
Nugu - cherry bullet, lightsum, bandit, PIXY,
Okay, now this is what I'm talking about. I can see the logic in this. Where would you put Monsta X, Treasure, GOT7, and Gidle?
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Top Tier - Consolidated as top tier
Sub-top tier - On the verge of becoming top tier, just give them a few comebacks to confirm their position
Upper Mid Tier - In the process of entering the success tier, or can be a case where the group declined from the success tier (ex: iKon)
Inferior Tier - Lower tier, but fading away
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Very successful - my faves.
But on a serious note, I consider SNSD and BIGBANG to be very successful. Regardless of whether or not newer fans know their music, they have heard of them and know that they were big when they were promoting. Plus, they are still considered "legendary" for their achievements.
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Top Tier - Consolidated as top tier
Sub-top tier - On the verge of becoming top tier, just give them a few comebacks to confirm their position
Upper Mid Tier - In the process of entering the success tier, or can be a case where the group declined from the success tier (ex: iKon)
Inferior Tier - Lower tier, but fading away
oof Onewe and ACE hurts to see since they have members enlisted and won't be coming back anytime soon
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Top Tier - Consolidated as top tier
Sub-top tier - On the verge of becoming top tier, just give them a few comebacks to confirm their position
Upper Mid Tier - In the process of entering the success tier, or can be a case where the group declined from the success tier (ex: iKon)
Inferior Tier - Lower tier, but fading away
I would put twice and EXO in a tier above NCT and 17 because their success feels a lot more wholistic. And if you mean current ranking I would still put twice at least definitely above them.
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I broadly say anyone who hasn’t reached 100k sales in this present sales boom are definitely nugus.
I'm not sure about this criterion. For example, Brave Girls hasn't reached the 100K sales mark, yet they're pretty much known by all who follow K-pop.
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Top Tier - Consolidated as top tier
Sub-top tier - On the verge of becoming top tier, just give them a few comebacks to confirm their position
Upper Mid Tier - In the process of entering the success tier, or can be a case where the group declined from the success tier (ex: iKon)
Inferior Tier - Lower tier, but fading away
Twice and Exo dont belong in the same tier as nct units and svt since the only things they have in common are top album sales, every other category - awards, charting, streaming, views, etc - nct/svt dont measure close enough too
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I'm not sure about this criterion. For example, Brave Girls hasn't reached the 100K sales mark, yet they're pretty much known by all who follow K-pop.
Yes I consider them nugu.
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Yes I consider them nugu.
You seem to have forgotten what "nugu (누구)" actually means, which is "who?"
That is, the term is meant to refer to artists that people would likely not recognise if you mentioned their names.
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You seem to have forgotten what "nugu (누구)" actually means, which is "who?"
That is, the term is meant to refer to artists that people would likely not recognise if you mentioned their names.
Obviously thats not what it means in this context lol. Here it’s referring to a tier based on stats. And ppl who sell less than 100k are the lowest tier. Whether you call it nugu or not I don’t really care.
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Obviously thats not what it means in this context lol. Here it’s referring to a tier based on stats. And ppl who sell less than 100k are the lowest tier. Whether you call it nugu or not I don’t really care.
The problem I have with saying that "nugudom" is simply "based on stats" is that those stats are arbitrary.
Why is your cutoff point of 100K sales the "correct" one? If I say it should be 75K instead (which Brave Girls meets), why am I wrong? Should we even be placing so much emphasis on physical sales since we're talking about girl groups?
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The problem I have with saying that "nugudom" is simply "based on stats" is that those stats are arbitrary.
Why is your cutoff point of 100K sales the "correct" one? If I say it should be 75K instead (which Brave Girls meets), why am I wrong? Should we even be placing so much emphasis on physical sales since we're talking about girl groups?
Please read the thread title and stop wasting my time.
Which groups would you consider in different levels of success?
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Please read the thread title and stop wasting my time.
Which groups would you consider in different levels of success?
Yes, I read the title of the thread, of course. However, I was simply trying to tackle the *broader* question of how "nugudom" should be determined.
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I would agree with this. Would you them put a group like the Rose into lowrange and then Xdinary Heroes as nugu?
Probably. If we are talking K-bands, at least from my perspective and from those I could think of, I would only put Ft Island/CN Blue/Day6/N Flying as Mid Range Successful. FT Island/CN Blue are the 2 biggest bands of the 2nd Gen. Day6 I explained earlier.
N Flying probably has the biggest hit out of all the bands with Rooftop. Their sales are also higher than every other band that isn't Ft Island/CN Blue/Day6. Individually Cha Hun and Jaehyun have a pretty successful YouTube Channel with 377k subs, Seunghub has other acting gigs as well. Shit on FNC as much as we want (including me) but they sure know out to make bands because they made 3 and all 3 managed to be successful one way or another.
Everyone else would probably fall under low range and nugu. Sadly most of them are nugu.
One thing that the 4 top bands I mention have, is that they have popular songs. Ft Island and CN Blue had a few hits, N Flying has less hits than everyone, but they have the biggest one.
Funny enough now that I think of it, Day6 might have more hits out of all of them and popularity wise in this era at least are higher. Spotify wise they are x5 the number of monthly listeners than the 2nd (Day6 has 1.8mil N Flying has 330k). Might not be fair to compare with 2nd Gen bands but from the current standing it is what it is. Awards wise, CN Blue actually won MAMA Best Band 4 times, Day6 once, rest none. It is usually won by non-idol bands.
Xdinary Heroes are the ones that could rise up. They are not doing as well as I hoped, but Day6 kinda started from there as well. Monthly listeners on Spotify they are actually already ahead of everyone else but Day6 with 534k so they do have quite a number of international listeners, just that they haven't translated to full fledge fans yet as seen from their low sales. But they are literally not even a year old yet so I'll give them time.
Listing all these you can see why everyone else is low range or nugu. The gap between those 4 and the rest is pretty big. I could be wrong sure so if anyone knows anything do feel free to correct me.
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Probably. If we are talking K-bands, at least from my perspective and from those I could think of, I would only put Ft Island/CN Blue/Day6/N Flying as Mid Range Successful. FT Island/CN Blue are the 2 biggest bands of the 2nd Gen. Day6 I explained earlier.
N Flying probably has the biggest hit out of all the bands with Rooftop. Their sales are also higher than every other band that isn't Ft Island/CN Blue/Day6. Individually Cha Hun and Jaehyun have a pretty successful YouTube Channel with 377k subs, Seunghub has other acting gigs as well. Shit on FNC as much as we want (including me) but they sure know out to make bands because they made 3 and all 3 managed to be successful one way or another.
Everyone else would probably fall under low range and nugu. Sadly most of them are nugu.
One thing that the 4 top bands I mention have, is that they have popular songs. Ft Island and CN Blue had a few hits, N Flying has less hits than everyone, but they have the biggest one.
Funny enough now that I think of it, Day6 might have more hits out of all of them and popularity wise in this era at least are higher. Spotify wise they are x5 the number of monthly listeners than the 2nd (Day6 has 1.8mil N Flying has 330k). Might not be fair to compare with 2nd Gen bands but from the current standing it is what it is. Awards wise, CN Blue actually won MAMA Best Band 4 times, Day6 once, rest none. It is usually won by non-idol bands.
Xdinary Heroes are the ones that could rise up. They are not doing as well as I hoped, but Day6 kinda started from there as well. Monthly listeners on Spotify they are actually already ahead of everyone else but Day6 with 534k so they do have quite a number of international listeners, just that they haven't translated to full fledge fans yet as seen from their low sales. But they are literally not even a year old yet so I'll give them time.
Listing all these you can see why everyone else is low range or nugu. The gap between those 4 and the rest is pretty big. I could be wrong sure so if anyone knows anything do feel free to correct me.
NFlying and day6 are not on the level of ftisland and cn blue.
Number of top 20 year end chart entries
CN blue : 3(#12,#19, #15)
N flying : 1 (#12)
I didn’t do top 50/100Kek. And I’m sure FTI and CNB have more entries there.
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Yes, I read the title of the thread, of course. However, I was simply trying to tackle the *broader* question of how "nugudom" should be determined.
If you don’t sell 100k you’re a nugu.
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If you don’t sell 100k you’re a nugu.
Again, that is your personal, arbitrary definition. It doesn't truly address the larger question of what really defines "nugu", which isn't such a simplistic, black-or-white determination.
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Again, that is your personal, arbitrary definition. It doesn't truly address the larger question of what really defines "nugu", which isn't such a simplistic, black-or-white determination.
If you don’t sell 100k you’re nugu.
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