What are the mid tier and top tier 4th gen groups?

top tier as of now imo: txt, enhypen, stray kids

edit: wait i thought u were talking abt bgs only oops.....

for ggs: (g)i-dle, aespa

Maybe kep1er would be mid-tier also stayc and g-idle

Top tier:- gidle

Everyone else below

Top tier:

Itzy, G idle, IVE, Aespa

Mid tier:

Loona, Stayc, Kep1er, Weeekly

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Aren’t their numbers similar to Nmixx’s. Would you label them as mid tier too?

NMIXX is definitely high mid tier right now, kpop groups have to both chart and sell well to be considered a top group. I think the only exception is NCT and SVT bc they sell above 1m, if it was less than that they would also be considered mid tier.

Wait nvm if ateez, skz and txt are considered top bgs without charting then ig the same should be applied to gg

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Top tier:

Itzy, G idle, IVE, Aespa

Mid tier:

Loona, Stayc, Kep1er, Weeekly

I'd consider StayC top tier - Their charting for last 3 comebacks is really good - better than twice and itzy - that puts them in top tier category I think

top tier (>500k)

itzy

aespa

niziu

high tier (250-500k)

ive

kep1er

mid tier (100-250k)

stayc

gidle

gidle would be high tier by other metrics (streaming, sponsors, appearances) tho

Pretty cut and dry here.

Aespa

Itzy

Idle

StayC

Ive

TXT

Stray Kids

The Boyz

Enhypen

Treasure

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Wait nvm if ateez, skz and txt are considered top bgs without charting then ig the same should be applied to gg

if gidle, aespa, ive are considered top ggs without selling 750k+ then ig the same should be applied to bg

Boy Groups

Top tier: Stray Kids, ENHYPEN, TXT, ATEEZ, The Boyz, Treasure

Mid tier: AB6IX, CIX, ONEUS, WEi, Cravity

Girl Groups

Top tier: ITZY, (G)I-DLE, aespa, STAYC

Mid tier: Weeekly, Purple Kiss, Everglow, LOONA

IVE, Kep1er, and NMIXX are too new to place since they only have 1 physical release each.

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Pretty cut and dry here.

Aespa

Itzy

Idle

StayC

Ive

TXT

Stray Kids

The Boyz

Enhypen

Treasure

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Since all of their Korean charting is meh to bad, ATEEZ sells more then The Boyz and Treasure and has bigger streams on Spotify. Add them.

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Since all of their Korean charting is meh to bad, ATEEZ sells more then The Boyz and Treasure and has bigger streams on Spotify. Add them.

That was exactly who i was ruminating about. Ateez vs Treasure vs The Boyz.

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That was exactly who i was ruminating about. Ateez vs Treasure vs The Boyz.

SKZ, TXT and EN- are the top 3 BGs of 4th gen right now.

ATEEZ Treasure and TBZ are all right around each other in terms of sales, international and domestic popularity, and streams (they all balance each other), but they sell too much to be considered mid tier groups.

Would so many people really have considered gidle top tier even as recently as last week? I feel a lot of users kinda tuned their violin during the last 48 hours, I wonder why. I remember it was not so obvious to everyone even a few days ago, even though the talent and successes were already there. It's fairly amusing.

Anyway, let's enjoy the good times; you never know how long it'll last.

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Would so many people really have considered gidle top tier even as recently as last week? I feel a lot of users kinda tuned their violin during the last 48 hours, I wonder why. I remember it was not so obvious to everyone even a few days ago, even though the talent and successes were already there. It's fairly amusing.

Anyway, let's enjoy the good times; you never know how long it'll last.

I've considered them a top girl group since iTrust.

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I've considered them a top girl group since iTrust.

Fine, it was not a diss at anyone in particular, I didn't have any names in mind. It's just that those discussions happen all the time and for the past year I had to basically defend gidle's standing everytime because so many people were prompt at putting any newcomer of the week above them. So it's amusing to me that everybody in this thread consider them top tier. But I guess they're not the same users.

Anyway that was just a thought, I didn't intend to derail this thread towards one group in particular.

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Fine, it was not a diss at anyone in particular, I didn't have any names in mind. It's just that those discussions happen all the time and for the past year I had to basically defend gidle's standing everytime because so many people were prompt at putting any newcomer of the week above them. So it's amusing to me that everybody in this thread consider them top tier. But I guess they're not the same users.

Anyway that was just a thought, I didn't intend to derail this thread towards one group in particular.

I was just saying my opinion, didn't think it was a diss at all...