I feel sorry for Weeekly

I hope Weeekly survives this rough period coming up with so much competition.

They and Woo!ah were the only groups I checked in on this past year.

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5gen competition will make 3rd gen competition look like a walk in the park.

Well of course, for example, 4th already makes 2nd gen a living fossil at this point

no worries the kpop album inflation will surely make their efforts still worthwhile

Aespa's peak was the nobody knows daesang so at least one obstacle is out of the way

they'll be just fine

not everyone can have success, companies have to be even smarter about who they debut and how they market their groups.

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Aespa's peak was the nobody knows daesang so at least one obstacle is out of the way

Is this shade? I cant tell lol

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Is this shade? I cant tell lol

it's up to your interpretation of course

if they stick to songs similar to 'after school' they will be fine

Nahhh. They're too talented not to succeed.

Putting it out there right now : I actually think they'll have comebacks and songs even more successful than After School.

When weeekly debuted I thought they will succeed in Korea especially because they are apink junior and cute concept was still popular then after school hit big but they didn’t keep the momentum with Holiday the cb was too rushed they should have promoted after school more since it was gaining attraction with the K-GP after it went viral

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I hope Weeekly survives this rough period coming up with so much competition.

They and Woo!ah were the only groups I checked in on this past year.

i follow wooah weekly, but not weeekly.

they're fun to watch and their firm seems to treat them well.

that's my #1 criteria for following a group - i don't want to support mistreatment.

(one reason i won't follow any cube group after clc, even though soyeon and chowon are amazing)

wooah has good songs, but they lost momentum with 'purple'.

they definitely need a sound or concept that really stands out - most anonymous mid-tier groups do.

i think groups like aespa and billlie are doing well because they're so different (both sme groups, btw).

There is just too much competition not just Weeekly but Secret number who were quite popular and 2021 rookies :shyy:

It’s too bad because there’s a lot of both gg and bg with great potential.

I just don’t like the way they all are doing the same thing instead of going niche.

I’ve banged Purple Kiss Zombie all week - seriousely a great bop but they are just too “little girl school concept”.

Also - when does the fandom happen? I mean it seems fandoms are the only gamechangers rn - so what makes the difference in attracting fans for your fandom?

They really didn't have much of a glow up after after school blew up on tik tok

Stayc even at debut sold much better than them if I am not wrong

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There is just too much competition not just Weeekly but Secret number who were quite popular and 2021 rookies :shyy:

i'm surprised that no group claimed izone's elegant house sound yet.

that's a huge audience waiting for a muse.

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if they stick to songs similar to 'after school' they will be fine

That can be dangerous too. Just look at Momoland.

I think KPOP has become oversaturated. Everyone trying to hop on that Hallyu wave that's taken over, but only a hand full of groups and companies will actually be able to capitalize on it.

I think Weeekly will be fine. Their sales are doing okay (if they had sold like this 5 years ago they would definitely be considered high mid-tier), and they should grow steadily for the next couple of years. Some of their members will go into acting, and yeah, barring no crazy scandal they should have a somewhat successful idol life. This is if they don't have another viral hit.

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wooah has good songs, but they lost momentum with 'purple'.

they definitely need a sound or concept that really stands out - most anonymous mid-tier groups do.

i think groups like aespa and billlie are doing well because they're so different (both sme groups, btw).

Woo!ah! have a sound of their own. And they're arguably the loveliest group around right now. We'll see how things go for them. I think they're fine as is.

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Big company status + marketing/hype/media play + company stans that existed for years and are ready to hardcore stan whatever new group the company churns out regardless of anything

Enhypen (to name an example) is doing well bc of the tv show. So not really company stan work?

I think it’s too easy to disregard every act outside the big3/4 because acts outside are also doing well. They might not sell millions but they are still worth it to the company.

I guess some of the smaller companies try to get their idols who already debuted into the survival/talent shows - maybe even to launch them as soloacts. Like A.C.E i.e. Not that it mattered though.

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That can be dangerous too. Just look at Momoland.

I think KPOP has become oversaturated. Everyone trying to hop on that Hallyu wave that's taken over, but only a hand full of groups and companies will actually be able to capitalize on it.

I think Weeekly will be fine. Their sales are doing okay (if they had sold like this 5 year agos they would definitely be considered high mid-tier), and they should grow steadily for the next couple of years. Some of there members will go into acting, and yeah, barring no crazy scandal they should have a somewhat successful idol life. This is if they don't have another viral hit.

I don’t think kpop has become oversaturated. People and groups still breaks through in the western world - and there’s nothing more more saturated than the western music world.

The problem arises only if they all think they can do a bts. Bc they can’t.

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i'm surprised that no group claimed izone's elegant house sound yet.

that's a huge audience waiting for a muse.

What happened to Izone is…

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I don’t think kpop has become oversaturated. People and groups still breaks through in the western world - and there’s nothing more more saturated than the western music world.

The problem arises only if they all think they can do a bts. Bc they can’t.

I'd disagree on the oversaturation, but just my opinion.

All these new groups, starting with Ivy and Kessler, then with JYPn and Hybe NGGs next year, will definitely threaten a ton of 4th gen groups and some leftover 3rd gen groups. I think only Aespa, StayC, and Itzy are safe.

Loona is sort of in between, i dunno much about their fandom or how loyal they are. WJSN i guess could be safe but they're more of a Cpop group arent they? I literally know nothing about them except they have an IOI member on it.

Everglow, Idle, Purple Kiss, Wooah, Weeekly, Secret Number, Rocket Punch, Cherry Bullet, Lightsum, Nature, Tribe, Pixy, 3ye, Blackswan, Bandit, Elris, Billlie, Weki, Saturday, Red Square, Gugudan, DIA, Fromis9, Lunarsolar, Momoland, all could face serious challenges in maintaining viable fanbases, let alone actually making an impact in song charts. Everglow has really been struggling recently and Idle still has to prove their fanbase stability after SJ's departure. All the other groups are new or struggling.

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I'd disagree on the oversaturation, but just my opinion.

The only thing that is oversaturated is the indentical concepts. You can’t debut 30 groups with the same sound and concept.

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It was a HYBE x Mnet production, so basically a beefed up Produce series

Hybe x CJenm and a jointventure.

What’s stopping others from seeking the same deal?

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All these new groups, starting with Ivy and Kessler, then with JYPn and Hybe NGGs next year, will definitely threaten a ton of 4th gen groups and some leftover 3rd gen groups. I think only Aespa, StayC, and Itzy are safe.

Loona is sort of in between, i dunno much about their fandom or how loyal they are. WJSN i guess could be safe but they're more of a Cpop group arent they? I literally know nothing about them except they have an IOI member on it.

Everglow, Idle, Purple Kiss, Wooah, Weeekly, Secret Number, Rocket Punch, Cherry Bullet, Lightsum, Nature, Tribe, Pixy, @@@db888cb4-fb6f-421f-bada-aa06169751d0@@@, Blackswan, Bandit, Elris, Billlie, Weki, Saturday, Red Square, Gugudan, DIA, Fromis9, Lunarsolar, Momoland, all could face serious challenges in maintaining viable fanbases, let alone actually making an impact in song charts. Everglow has really been struggling recently and Idle still has to prove their fanbase stability after SJ's departure. All the other groups are new or struggling.

You can take Gugudan and DIA off that list. Pretty sure they're disbanded.

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You can take Gugudan and DIA off that list. Pretty sure they're disbanded.

Yeah, actually i just realized i left a few more groups off the list. April, Apink, AOA and Brave Girls. I would say BG is safe for now, AOA and April are pretty much dead, and Apink might survive since the dumb bullying scandal has been debunked, although i guess there is still some sort of ridiculous "underage drinking" scandal.

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The only thing that is oversaturated is the indentical concepts. You can’t debut 30 groups with the same sound and concept.

If you compare the different generations, you can see the huge influx of groups that debut yearly. Not only from big to mid-sized companies but small nugu companies and companies in other industries jumping into the music industry to debut groups seeing how much KPOP has blown up.

All you have to do is look at that and see the difference. That plus all of the idol group survival shows.

In comparison to 2nd gen and early 3rd gen, it's a lot. Nothing wrong with competition, but like I said, not everyone can benefit and gets to the point where a lot of groups just get lost in the noise.

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All these new groups, starting with Ivy and Kessler, then with JYPn and Hybe NGGs next year, will definitely threaten a ton of 4th gen groups and some leftover 3rd gen groups. I think only Aespa, StayC, and Itzy are safe.

Loona is sort of in between, i dunno much about their fandom or how loyal they are. WJSN i guess could be safe but they're more of a Cpop group arent they? I literally know nothing about them except they have an IOI member on it.

Everglow, Idle, Purple Kiss, Wooah, Weeekly, Secret Number, Rocket Punch, Cherry Bullet, Lightsum, Nature, Tribe, Pixy, 3ye, Blackswan, Bandit, Elris, Billlie, Weki, Saturday, Red Square, Gugudan, DIA, Fromis9, Lunarsolar, Momoland, all could face serious challenges in maintaining viable fanbases, let alone actually making an impact in song charts. Everglow has really been struggling recently and Idle still has to prove their fanbase stability after SJ's departure. All the other groups are new or struggling.

great list.

high attrition rate is the norm in the entertainment industry worldwide.

maybe 1 in 5 survive and 1 in 50 succeed.

still, 20k sales is considered a flop now while that would have been a good figure a few years ago.

the market can support more groups now.

it's also a good sign that the average income in the kpop industry has been rising ~10% per year for a while (and not just the stars).

niziu should also be included in the 4th gen list.

they are the most successful by far (2m sales in ~1yr and arguably the best sponsor list in music, including bts and any western act).

If Weeekly can find a niche fanbase they can be the 4th gen Lovelyz. But then again, there are many 4th gen groups who I can see having a small but stable fanbase

they just don't stand out imo, very standard cute gg

for me StayC and Woo!ah! gives different vibe and stand out, also i like everglow they actually pull off girl crush best from 4th gen imo,

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If you compare the different generations, you can see the huge influx of groups that debut yearly. Not only from big to mid-sized companies but small nugu companies and companies in other industries jumping into the music industry to debut groups seeing how much KPOP has blown up.

All you have to do is look at that and see the difference. That plus all of the idol group survival shows.

In comparison to 2nd gen and early 3rd gen, it's a lot. Nothing wrong with competition, but like I said, not everyone can benefit and gets to the point where a lot of groups just get lost in the noise.

The problem seems to me that they debut too early. But also the most talented idols go to the big 3/4 bc of obvious reasons.

But kpop isn’t just a thing - in the words of Simon Cowell it depends on what the market is ready for (can’t believe I quoted him).

If kpop is purely a hallyu phenomenon that is the problem. Bc in other countries you would look at the market and adapt your product and marketing strategy accordingly.

It seems in korea they all think doing the same things will work.

if you call that oversaturation then ok. I call is a failed market analysis:-).