Seungri breaks down in tears as prosecution demand 5 year prison sentence for his 'prostitution' charges

Aww i am crying for him. My tears can't be controlled anymore😭😭😭

Reborn. Sure dude. We trust you😂

Lol, he is crying? He wasn't crying when he used others for his interests.

Ngl, I laughed so hard when I read "I promise to be reborn". He is a true comedian.

Good,he should cry himself to sleep tbh.

only 5 years? People get 5 years for smoking weed in Korea

His case hasn't actually fished yet right? This is just what the prosecution is asking for.

Even so fuck him and his crocodile tears. He's a greasy scumbag

I hope he'll be reborn as a seal this time

I stopped following this case a long time ago, so this question might sound stupid, but were the prostitutes at least consensual about working with them?

I ask that 'cause there's lots of rapists involved in this Burning Sun case.

I hope he cries for the rest of his life

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It would be quite hypocrite of me to judge prostitution and gambling, both things legal in my country.

But since it’s illegal in Korea and therefore he broke the Law, if the court declares him guilty than so shall it be, if they got enough evidence than he has to take responsibility for it. But this whole thing was extremely biased from the get go and he was and still made a scapegoat I stand by it.

Anyway I hope this case ends soon. Has been dragged for too long.

being a prostitute and being a pimp are two different things

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I stopped following this case a long time ago, so this question might sound stupid, but were the prostitutes at least consensual about working with them?

I ask that 'cause there's lots of rapists involved in this Burning Sun case.

Tbh no one knows. Prostituting is illegal in Korea so if the women speak up they essentially put them self on the wrong side of the law and also the other girls and the gangs that make use of them.

But from other instances around the world often the women are either picked up on the streets because they're poor or desperate, or forced from a young age. Eventually it becomes their way of life because they have no way out so it becomes more consensual but they still don't want to be doing the work if they had better options.

Seungri probably wasn't actually in charge of actually running a prostitution gang, he probably used the gangs that control women to hire some and use them as incentives to do his business (eg we make a deal and I give you X money plus these girls). That is of course still illegal.

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This is not about the Burning Sun, but about him allegedly hiring prostitutes to entertain rich business men. And looking at the evidence first provided through the media, it must have been consensual. These women worked for an adult entertainment agency, so they were booked. They were invited to expensive trips and were gifted with high end brands and were paid a lot of money. These were allegedly high class escorts.

Escort is not illegal in Korea, but paying for sex is. It turned out that some of the Escorts had sex with some of the people linked to Seungri. Some of the women interrogated admitted that sex took place, but it wasn’t paid but happened out of consensual interest for each other (them and the client). But the prosecution doesn’t believe that. I mean in that case I can understand why they won’t believe that, cause they could be lying to save themself , as working as a prostitute is illegal and you could face jail time for it .

Thanks for the explanation!

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Denied all 8 charges

*2 sec later*

I PROMISE TO BE REBORN I'M SORRY !!!!!!

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same thought.

Nobody who is innocent would say that.

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I stopped following this case a long time ago, so this question might sound stupid, but were the prostitutes at least consensual about working with them?

I ask that 'cause there's lots of rapists involved in this Burning Sun case.

1. The accusation is that he was involved in the hiring of prostitutes for the entertainment of potential business partners. This is obviously gross as hell, and something that I heard was quite common in Japan at least. Was it consensual? I think that's a whole other argument. I have a very hard line view on consent (anything short of "enthusiastic consent" as defined by Jessica Valenti counts as sexual assault in my books) that does not permit me to consider the use of prostitutes to ever be consensual, but most people will disagree. There's also the fact that we simply cannot know of the circumstances of the women in question. Trafficking is a very real thing. But there has been no suggestion, as far as I'm aware, that they were anything other than sex workers who were willingly doing what they were doing for money.

2. Regarding Burning Sun, the whole thing is muddy, but it appears that:

• Kim Sang-Kyo was beaten by staff at the club and kicked out, and then arrested by Gangnam police on a number of charges.
• He went public and said that he was attacked and removed after he had witnessed a sexual assault at the club and attempted to stop it. The suggestion is that the police were in the pockets of Burning Sun when they arrested him. He claimed that women were drugged at the club on the regular.
• Further news reports included CCTV footage from the club of a woman being dragged down a hallway and an allegation by a vip member of the club that the staff sent him text messages offering him women who had been drugged.
• Following this, the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency took control of the investigation because of the potential issue of police corruption. As a result of this investigation, the molka stuff came to light as well as the charges that are now levied against Seungri.
• However they also arrested Kim Sang-Kyo and charged him with sexually assaulting three women and obstructing business at Burning Sun. It appears that he was beaten and kicked out of Burning Sun because HE was the one assaulting women, and that is also why he was initially arrested.
• Outside of his claims, the only other allegation of rape at the club comes from that vip member of the club, and I don't know what became of that.

If I am wrong about any of the above, please correct me. This issue is extremely cloudy and there is a lot of misinformation. But I feel that most kpop fans heard the initial allegations about the club and then didn't take any of the subsequent revelations on board.

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Denied all 8 charges

*2 sec later*

I PROMISE TO BE REBORN I'M SORRY !!!!!!

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“Judge I have nothing to hide! I deny all the charges. I’m innocent I swear!”

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1. The accusation is that he was involved in the hiring of prostitutes for the entertainment of potential business partners. This is obviously gross as hell, and something that I heard was quite common in Japan at least. Was it consensual? I think that's a whole other argument. I have a very hard line view on consent (anything short of "enthusiastic consent" as defined by Jessica Valenti counts as sexual assault in my books) that does not permit me to consider the use of prostitutes to ever be consensual, but most people will disagree. There's also the fact that we simply cannot know of the circumstances of the women in question. Trafficking is a very real thing. But there has been no suggestion, as far as I'm aware, that they were anything other than sex workers who were willingly doing what they were doing for money.

2. Regarding Burning Sun, the whole thing is muddy, but it appears that:

• Kim Sang-Kyo was beaten by staff at the club and kicked out, and then arrested by Gangnam police on a number of charges.
• He went public and said that he was attacked and removed after he had witnessed a sexual assault at the club and attempted to stop it. The suggestion is that the police were in the pockets of Burning Sun when they arrested him. He claimed that women were drugged at the club on the regular.
• Further news reports included CCTV footage from the club of a woman being dragged down a hallway and an allegation by a vip member of the club that the staff sent him text messages offering him women who had been drugged.
• Following this, the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency took control of the investigation because of the potential issue of police corruption. As a result of this investigation, the molka stuff came to light as well as the charges that are now levied against Seungri.
• However they also arrested Kim Sang-Kyo and charged him with sexually assaulting three women and obstructing business at Burning Sun. It appears that he was beaten and kicked out of Burning Sun because HE was the one assaulting women, and that is also why he was initially arrested.
• Outside of his claims, the only other allegation of rape at the club comes from that vip member of the club, and I don't know what became of that.

If I am wrong about any of the above, please correct me. This issue is extremely cloudy and there is a lot of misinformation. But I feel that most kpop fans heard the initial allegations about the club and then didn't take any of the subsequent revelations on board.

WOW so many twists in this case!

I totally get now why it's been ages since this case was never cleared. Thanks!

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Koreans are bit ridiculous here... I mean I get if they would post something like "it could be 7 years but just 5" but they are demanding 15 years or jail for life...

I get that he commited a crime, but crimes also have levels... He ain't murderer.

murderers get 50+ up to lifetime

Seungri getting 5-7 years for embezzlement, prostitution and all of those other charges, if true, 5-7 years is little

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WOW so many twists in this case!

I totally get now why it's been ages since this case was never cleared. Thanks!

Yep, it's a very complex investigation.

Here is an article that might help (in Korean, use your own method of translation):

https://n.news.naver.com/mnews…le/023/0003446529?sid=102

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I know, but Seungri wasn’t a pimp, he allegedly hired those women, which would make him a client. Client and prostitutes are treated the same way.

A pimp is who owns and provides prostitutes, a client is some who takes their service.

the definition of a pimp is "a man who controls prostitutes and arranges clients for them, taking part of their earnings in return". obviously he wasn't an organized pimp but he facilitated the girls having sex with his business partners for his own gain. idk how thats not pimping them out, even if he paid them instead of taking their earnings. his clients couldn't solicit sex themselves...?

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I know, but Seungri wasn’t a pimp, he allegedly hired those women, which would make him a client. Client and prostitutes are treated the same way.

A pimp is who owns and provides prostitutes, a client is some who takes their service.

But he was literally acting as a pimp. There can be more people like this in such a scheme. A drug dealer who buys drugs from another dealer is still a drug dealer. He might not be the source but he used these women like a pimp

5 years isn't that long, Weed gets someone longer than that in South Korea.

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he paid them instead of taking their earnings.

This is the bit that makes him not a pimp. By definition.

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This is the bit that makes him not a pimp. By definition.

is it that hard to comprehend the point that he still used those women for financial gain...i literally covered this point in my post this post from omegateatimer also explains this rlly well:

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But he was literally acting as a pimp. There can be more people like this in such a scheme. A drug dealer who buys drugs from another dealer is still a drug dealer. He might not be the source but he used these women like a pimp

he pimped them out, whether he was simply a "middle man" or not

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He is messed up anyway, no matter what any of us believes here.

And like I said it’s legal where I live so if you talk about prostitution it includes pimps too. So it depends on what you think it’s morally wrong. He wouldn’t have been arrested for prostitution and gambling in my country. So it would be pretty hypocrite of me to act all outraged when it’s something normal here.

this is a super weird mindset to have, dude. something being "normalized" doesn't make it ok. prostitution in any form often walks the line of sexual exploitation for either party involved. i don't think sex workers should be shamed but the concept of prostitution is not pleasant and is often facilitated by legit, heavy sex tracking.

get a grip on reality.

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He did not use this woman for financial gain, he used them to entertain himself and his people at parties, he was a client. The financial gain they are talking about here is the illegal gambling and money transactions. There was no talk about him exchanging women for business deals.

At least inform yourself more about what happened and why he was charged with what tho…

Like I said, it seems to be it for him and he will probably go to jail for something, so there is no need to add more to the story than what was reported. The situation is messy enough.

you're kidding, right? you think he was entertaining his business partners for his health and not bc...business? whatever you say, sandy

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is it that hard to comprehend the point that he still used those women for financial gain...i literally covered this point in my post this post from omegateatimer also explains this rlly well:

he pimped them out, whether he was simply a "middle man" or not

Words have meaning. A pimp takes a cut of a prostitute's earnings. That's how the term is defined.

The drug dealer analogy is actually illuminating here.

If I sell you drugs, no matter how I obtained them, I'm a drug dealer.

However, if I give you drugs as a form of corporate entertainment (which is something that used to be incredibly common) for my own financial gain (ie, to secure and keep business clients), I'm am guilty of a crime (supplying drugs) but I'm not considered a drug dealer. Or were all the Wall Street bros offering investors coke during their parties drug dealers now?

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He did not use this woman for financial gain, he used them to entertain himself and his people at parties, he was a client. The financial gain they are talking about here is the illegal gambling and money transactions. There was no talk about him exchanging women for business deals.

At least inform yourself more about what happened and why he was charged with what tho…

Like I said, it seems to be it for him and he will probably go to jail for something, so there is no need to add more to the story than what was reported. The situation is messy enough.

He did use women for his financial gain, or at least that's why he's been accused. He used them to seal deals between his interests and other people willing to invest or cooperate with him.

One of the most well known occurred when he entertained a Japanese investor and there were sex workers there. That is fact and undisputed, even his business part for burning sun admitted to it. No one is adding anything to the story as that event happened. Maybe you should take your own advice and inform yourself. However seungri denies he hired them.

It's also then when he paid for their accomodation and stuff using YG corporate card which is where YG is involved too.

So he is basically a pimp