Brave Girls won't be eligible for any Grand Prizes - I now appreciate the System of NOT awarding Grand Prizes to acts from smaller companies

Is it why there was a huge upset when BTS won grand prize the first time in 2016?They weren’t from a big company too

Anyone remembers GDA robbing Changmo's Bonsang earlier this year because he's a small act from a small company?

Tbh even if the artist is a fad or the company is small, the best performing artist with impact deserves the award.

the song is from 2017, it makes perfect sense as to why it cant be nominated since it would be unfair to other artists who did released their songs in the according time lapse.

all award shows work like that. idk why people are getting upset about this.

The “Some” guy is called JunggiGo. And he is an R&B artist not a kpop singer so he is less known. 🤷‍♀️ Just though I say it cuz he is not forgotten (his latest comeback was two month ago) he is just not famous internationally. Based on how the song is older I do think you are right about the grand price. I’m looking forward to Brave Brother writing a new song for them. If that blows up as much as Rolling too they will have a chance next year.

Here is some JunggiGo for those who don’t know him. Tasty music. 👌

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the song is from 2017, it makes perfect sense as to why it cant be nominated since it would be unfair to other artists who did released their songs in the according time lapse.

all award shows work like that. idk why people are getting upset about this.

We can still be mad at an unfair system. We get why they can’t win awards for Rollin since it wasn’t released this year, but even if it was released this year, they still wouldn’t have gotten an award since award shows don’t wanna give awards to groups from small companies. It’s just unfair

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We can still be mad at an unfair system. We get why they can’t win awards for Rollin since it wasn’t released this year, but even if it was released this year, they still wouldn’t have gotten an award since award shows don’t wanna give awards to groups from small companies. It’s just unfair

that’s another deal, but the principle here is that sadly there’s a valid and legit reason as to why it cant be nominated.

as for that, bts got their first daesang in 16’ while they were still nugus. it is possible.

that being said, the girls deserve all the recognition they can get. so, there’s that.

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as for that, bts got their first daesang in 16’ while they were still nugus. it is possible.

BTS were nugu during 2016?

they were the biggest kpop group back then as well.

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Is it why there was a huge upset when BTS won grand prize the first time in 2016?They weren’t from a big company too

BTS, the First Non-Big 3 artist to win Artist of the Year and everyone was salty

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as for that, bts got their first daesang in 16’ while they were still nugus. it is possible.

nugu? *Laughing in allkill for BST, Outselling YG and JYP in 2015 to present, Billboard 200 at 26, the highest by a Korean Act ever before BTS broke their own record, best selling album in 2016 on Gaon* If BTS was nugu in 2015, let alone 2016 then 95% of Popular Kpop Groups today are still nugus af

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nugu? *Laughing in allkill for BST, Outselling YG and JYP in 2015 to present, Billboard 200 at 26, the highest by a Korean Act ever before BTS broke their own record, best selling album in 2016 on Gaon* If BTS was nugu in 2015, let alone 2016 then 95% of Popular Kpop Groups today are still nugus af

no need for the smart talk, hon. im perfectly up to date with their achievements. since ive been an army for almost 5 years.

but they were in fact nugus back then. their company was small, their success got discredited and downplayed by everyone their mothers AND the media, and their daesangs were belittled it. the reactions to them winning, and the fact that they were the first non b3 artist to get one were overwhelmingly BAD.

hell. they were PETITIONS online asking the shows to take their daesangs away.

why do you think that was? but sure, whatever you say.

I agree that Brave Girls shouldn't get an award because the song is from 2017

BUT the fact that smaller companies are robbed of daesangs just because they don't have 'big names' under the label is why I find these big awards shows so pointless. Maybe after BTS things will have changed but I really think they were probably an outlier

I don't know if I would agree with you. The truth is biggest songs almost always come from the biggest artists, and the biggest artists almost always come from the biggest companies.

If you talk about Grand Prizes, they are usually separated between 2/3 categories : Albums, Songs and sometimes Artist.

Albums and Artists are almost only a sales competition so it's only the biggest groups who win it : Since 2013, BTS, Exo, Big Bang and Twice almost won every single awards, except Melon who gave some to IU and Busker Busker.

So the only Grand Prize that smaller artists can win is SOTY :

Now lets break down every songs that were considered among the favorites to win each year according to Gaon charts :

2020 : Blueming/Dynamite/Eight/Any Song. Winners : MAMA/MMA : Dynamite, GDA : Blueming.

Understandable, Dynamite was by far the biggest song released in 2020, though it was an english release its still korean singers. Blueming had the overall stream and download numbers as the song had the most time. If Blueming had a little less time, Zico might have won GDA with Any Song.

2019 : Boy With Luv/HCILTHYTOIL/ITWPIL/maybe So Long, Winner : MAMA/MMA/GDA : BWL

Understandable too, Akmu, Paul Kim and Lim Jae Hyun are way less popular than BTS and didn't dominate the charts as much as songs from previous years. Truly a year with no favorite, if the awards were not limited to Korean songs/artists, 2002 would have certainly sweep all awards.

2018 : Love Scenario/DDDD/Good Old Days : Winners : MAMA : What is Love ????, MMA/GDA : Love Scenario

Twice winning SOTY for the 3rd time came out of nowhere, though LS still swept the rest. LS was an obvious winner

2017 : TTN/You,Clouds,Rain/KKB : Winners : MAMA : Signal?, MMA : Spring Day?, GDA : TTN

Really strange year, it really looked like IU gonna sweep this year easily but ended up winning only one time, Signal was by far the strangest nomination/winner in maybe the history of awards as it wasn't even considered a contender. Spring Day wasn't that big in 2017 and had worse number than numerous songs like You, Clouds, Rain, Kokobop, Red Flavor, Some etc...

2016 : Cheer Up easily, Winner : MAMA/MMA/GDA : Cheer Up

Cheer Up was easily favorite, and swept rightfully

2015 : Loser/BBB/Leon : Winner : MAMA/MMA : BBB, GDA : Loser

Big Bang dominated with numerous number ones songs, Loser was probably their biggest hit on charts and BBB was their most viral hit. They swept easily.

2014 : Some/ENL, Winner : MAMA/MMA/GDA : ENL

Truly a 2 songs race at the end of the year, Eyes,Nose,Lips sweeping was definitely surprising and Soyou probably should have won at least one award.

2013 : Gentleman, Winners : MAMA : Bounce?, MMA : Growl?, GDA : Gentleman

Gentleman was the biggest song in korea that year, and if another artist would have one it should have been Sistar or Sistar19. Exo winning was a big surprise, and Cho Yong Pil was more of an homage for his incredible career.

To conclude, if you don't count BTS, IU, and Psy, its always a big 3 artist who should have won (2015/16/18). Only in 2014 we have a robbery to someone non big 3 not called IU or Psy with Soyou.

Before 2013, awards were going to anyone and most awards made no sence (except GDA maybe).

I do not think its that good to give awards to only biggest artist as most awards are watched nowadays by Kpop fans who are already invested in the industry. It won't really bring new viewers/fans and I think being fair is the most important thing as it defines your legacy as an artist. The only thing it does is pleasing some kpop fans who absolutely want their group to win.

there have been a few artists from non big3 who have won daesangs before, but yeah it is not that common..

most daesangs are given out to groups with big fandoms cause award shows want that rating and buzz, also big fandoms when angered cause messes.

rollin wont win this year, but they are the true winners this year, the dethroned IU two time towards #1 and did that with no fandom support but an actual viral hit which is making waves.

everyone and their grandmas will know they owned this year (unless a bigger viral hit comes, we never know)

lets be real

Most of the time the grand prize are won deservedly but of course there were two obvious instances like What is Love (over Love Scenario) and Signal over IU. These two songs were charting way worse than the competitor but still won.

Other SOTY kinda make sense as they are equally big as the competitors so it is not like they boycott artists from smaller companies. And Starship is not nugu company either.

If Brave Girls able to chart super well with their comeback song, they might win some awards (not SOTY cause release too late). Maybe they have chance to win Best Female Group

Doesn’t BTS Trump this theory tho?

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In 2011, GDA actually changed the criteria to exclude IU.

And in 2014, the Meaning of You (a 1985 song but re-released by IU and the original singer Kim Changwan) would have won but was excluded for the same reason Lee Jieun was excluded in 2011.

The reason IU was finally given an award in 2018 was because there was a big fanwar planned on the next day when EXO and BTS would fight for the albums award,and giving a very long overdue Grand Prize to IU was a way to quiet the fanwar.

And the 'some kpop fans who want their group to win' are precisely the ones who spend the most money on it

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I do think they would still spend money even if they don't win as much, as they are still favorites most of the time

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no need for the smart talk, hon. im perfectly up to date with their achievements. since ive been an army for almost 5 years.

but they were in fact nugus back then. their company was small, their success got discredited and downplayed by everyone their mothers AND the media, and their daesangs were belittled it. the reactions to them winning, and the fact that they were the first non b3 artist to get one were overwhelmingly BAD.

hell. they were PETITIONS online asking the shows to take their daesangs away.

why do you think that was? but sure, whatever you say.

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Being belittled by K-media and Big companies doesn't make a group a nugu. That's just big companies showing their power. "Nugu" literally means "who?" They achieved monumental success that year. Nugus don't outsell the big 3 and BTS did twice. Nugus don't sell 2 million albums in a year. Nugus don't chart their songs for years. People who were petitioning were the fans of other groups who are used to winning. Small Company? Yeah sure but wasn't BTS always bigger than their company. BTS was beating everyone internationally with them starting to lift off with US fame. If you're up to date, then you wouldn't even claim Nugu for 2016 BTS. I stand by what I said, if 2016 BTS is nugu then 95% of today's popular kpop groups are nugus

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Being belittled by K-media and Big companies doesn't make a group a nugu. That's just big companies showing their power. "Nugu" literally means "who?" They achieved monumental success that year. Nugus don't outsell the big 3 and BTS did twice. Nugus don't sell 2 million albums in a year. Nugus don't chart their songs for years. People who were petitioning were the fans of other groups who are used to winning. Small Company? Yeah sure but wasn't BTS always bigger than their company. BTS was beating everyone internationally with them starting to lift off with US fame. If you're up to date, then you wouldn't even claim Nugu for 2016 BTS. I stand by what I said, if 2016 BTS is nugu then 95% of today's popular kpop groups are nugus

“if youre up to date” down with the condescending tone honey.

that’s all im gonna say. think whatever the hell you want, couldnt care less.

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but in a Melon Award show, it is said that the Sistar members congratulated Taeyang of Big Bang even before the winner of the Song of the Year was announced, and one of the members (probably Hyorin) is said to have expressed that Sistar will never win a Grand Prize.

That is because Starship is not considered to be a major company by the industry.

this is so sad, honestly.

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“if youre up to date” down with the condescending tone honey.

that’s all im gonna say. think whatever the hell you want, couldnt care less.

I don't get what you're trying to achieve, belittling 2016 BTS' success like this. You're practically claiming they don't deserve the daesangs they won that year when they were one of the biggest artists since then. No artist will win Artist of the Year from a stat(mostly) based award show if they were nugu.

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Psy was a Big 3 artist when Gentleman was released, which begs the question: if he was to have just as big a hit now, would he win anything as a P Nation artist?

thats a great question

Maybe you should Google correlation op