Which girl group is the most underrated?

What even...

Without longevity people will always forget your monetary success. That’s how it’s always been.

Most of these groups aren't what come to my mind when I think of "underrated" groups.

They had great success at the peak, have iconic songs and made bank. K-pop fans not recognizing their impact at their time in a forum don't change reality.

I came here to say Billie

Among international (ignorant) K-Pop fans, it will always be Mamamoo. But that's okay. I exist.

babymonster

H1-KEY is the answer.

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babymonster

Thanks for reminding me I needed to make a thread about them

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Thanks for reminding me I needed to make a thread about them

Good i've been waiting on that praise thread, I know you'd have nothing but good things to say.

Spica

Others --

Purple Kiss

Babymonster

All of your other choices were notable to different degrees.

Oh My Girl from the list

BESTie from not the list

Kep1er from recent not the list

Honorable mention to LABOUM

Voted Dreamcatcher and after then OMG and that's it.

I need to cleanse my soul after i was forced to upload so many shade posts about a group that literally contains one of my favorite biases (Karina).

So it's nice to finally rant about something positive.

And that something is Oh My Girl.

Their discography is unbelievable tbh. I thought Twice's cutesy catalogue was unrivalled but then i got into Izone bsides a few years back and now recently Oh My Girl.

Cupid

Closer

Liar Liar

One Step Two Step

Listen to my Word/A-ing

Secret Garden

Windy Day

Remember Me

Nonstop

I would put these 9 singles up against any other Kpop groups' top 9 songs, inc Blackpink, Twice, Izone, etc.

And i didnt even list other songs i personally didnt like as much that ended up to be national hits like Dolphin and Dun Dun Dance.

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I need to cleanse my soul after i was forced to upload so many shade posts about a group that literally contains one of my favorite biases (Karina).

So it's nice to finally rant about something positive.

In terms of success? IMO T-ara

They are always forgotten about in 2nd gen convos outside of WonSoKa and 2ne1, Fx etc, but at one point they were challenging for the top against SNSD before their scandal.

From the list, Dreamcatcher, then OMG.

Seriously underrated, and even for here, I rarely see anyone talk about them...

Amazing discographies. Lovely members.... err... that's all I have to say.

Just listen to their latest songs, ffs.

(Yes, it's UAU, but it's still Dreamcatcher)

Anyway, atm, the most underrated group is Babymonster.

A lot of talent with songs... that don't really show each member's talent off the best..

Probably Day6

They are the most successful GG this year but everyone in this forum still paying them dust

with all due respect to the groups mentioned - none

all groups are rated exactly where they are rated - if they were more popular/prettier/had better songs etc etc then they'd be rated higher but since they aren't they are rated exactly where they should be rated

For me it’s Orange Caramel. Did you know they never got a single music show win? Despite releasing so many bops, being cultural icons, having countless other groups perform their songs at award shows etc, setting the formula for the quirky sub-unit.

Can you believe Catallena never won a music show?

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with all due respect to the groups mentioned - none

all groups are rated exactly where they are rated - if they were more popular/prettier/had better songs etc etc then they'd be rated higher but since they aren't they are rated exactly where they should be rated

This is such a typical self mate non-answer. Dare to have an opinion sometimes!

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This is such a typical self mate non-answer. Dare to have an opinion sometimes!

LOL

why? I don't really feel strongly about any of the groups mentioned and I honestly think what I wrote

do you disagree with anything I said? lol

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LOL

why? I don't really feel strongly about any of the groups mentioned and I honestly think what I wrote

do you disagree with anything I said? lol

Oh yes, although I was teasing you, I disagree with it with every bone in my body.

The idea that all groups are perfectly rated based on the quality of their discography is utter nonsense to me (please correct me if I am misrepresenting your stance).

I would point straight to indie kpop artists like Hanhee who is realising some of the best music this year but has a fraction of the following of larger groups, and while you could make the argument for niche music garnering niche followings, you have example like Brave Girls Rollin’ which was released twice, at one point being a commercial flop, and then suddenly going viral, so at which point was it correctly rated? Or even an example like Van Gogh, when was @@@ff37cdea-2751-4222-abcd-d24f4de2ac68@@@ correctly rated, while he was alive or after he died?

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Oh yes, although I was teasing you, I disagree with it with every bone in my body.

The idea that all groups are perfectly rated based on the quality of their discography is utter nonsense to me (please correct me if I am misrepresenting your stance).

I would point straight to indie kpop artists like Hanhee who is realising some of the best music this year but has a fraction of the following of larger groups, and while you could make the argument for niche music garnering niche followings, you have example like Brave Girls Rollin’ which was released twice, at one point being a commercial flop, and then suddenly going viral, so at which point was it correctly rated? Or even an example like Van Gogh, when was Starry Night correctly rated, while he was alive or after he died?

I know you were teasing me but you wanted my opinion on something so here it is lol

my stance isn't on the quality of one's discography since that rating is subjective

all music whether it's "good" or "bad" is subjective

the only measure is the successfulness of a group since there are objective measures to qualify that

I don't know Hanhee since I've never heard his or her music

I didn't like Rollin' from BG but I know I'm pretty much in the minority

Starry Night is a masterpiece but I personally prefer the doodle that my then 5 year old son did over it

Thus by that metric you cannot definitively state that Starry Night is an objectively better art piece than my kid's doodle - what you can state is that to a greater number of people they consider it better than my kid's doodle which again comes back to popularity

I said this in another thread

if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around - does it still make a sound?

if a nugu group releases a great song but nobody listens to it - is it still a good song?

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if a nugu group releases a great song but nobody listens to it - is it still a good song?

Yes!

You thinking your son’s doodle is better than Starry Night is an awesome take (and I would probably think the same if I had children).

For me, these topics can only ever be subjective - there’s no point in trying to make an objective argument, so let’s just let emotions fly and pick the groups our hearts tell us are underrated, even if it’s Blackpink.

Next time I want to see you come in guns blazing, firing hot takes in all directions.

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Yes!

You thinking your son’s doodle is better than Starry Night is an awesome take (and I would probably think the same if I had children).

For me, these topics can only ever be subjective - there’s no point in trying to make an objective argument, so let’s just let emotions fly and pick the groups our hearts tell us are underrated, even if it’s Blackpink.

Next time I want to see you come in guns blazing, firing hot takes in all directions.

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interesting - (obviously there's no right or wrong answers but) how do you know it's good if you haven't listened to it? lol

I'm very logically minded - my wife once said whilst we were dating that I had the emotional intelligence of a hamburger!!! (I think I've improved since then)

once in a blue moon my friend - one in a blue moon

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That's not how this industry works. And when I say industry, I'm talking about the whole entertainment industry, not just music.

The more connections and better visuals you have, the more popular you can get. Simple as that. It's not about quality and hard work or talent. Only like 1% of people who work hard can become big like IU or G-Dragon for example.

They're the examples of starting from zero and finishing on the top.

then the question is what do you mean by rated? are we talking popularity and success or are we talking talents and if we are talking talents then are we limiting it to only performing talents or overall talents?

not disagreeing with you in regards to the bolded part...I don't quite get your point tough...since isn't the bolded part what I said? lol

lots of people work hard and don't achieve jack - there could be the nuguest of groups or soloists busting their ass off and still not achieve anything resembling the groups you mentioned in your list (not to even to mention the top groups) but does that mean they are "more deserving" or that they are underrated? my answer would still be no they are rated exactly where they should be rated since it's the industry/market that dictates that

Crayon Pop.

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I said this above, saying these groups are "underrated" is more like a clickbait, the more accurate term is "underappreciated". then again who is doing the appreciation if not the fans? and thus isn't that a subejctive decision whether or not to appreciate a group? let's take Mamamoo for example since it's like your fav group I'm not interested in them because it's a purely subjective choice. And if the overall collective of everybody who listens to music or just kpop music feels the same way then Mamamoo is rated exactly where they are rated (or appreciated exactly where they are appreciated)

I'm obviously talking about overall talent, because that's not about personal taste, but music is.

So even if we say, MAMAMOO are the best female vocal group of Kpop, that doesn't mean everyone's gonna love their music. I agree

Talent isn't enough in this industry. MAMAMOO and other artists like them, are actually lucky they had a chance to debut, most Kpop agencies said no, because of their visuals. I too agree

Most people work hard in this industry, but there are levels to it. For example. BIG4 groups already have millions of followers before debut, not to mention big brand deals and so on. Even if they work hard, there's a HUGE difference between their hard work and someone who's under a small agency who have to do 100s of performance every year to achieve their smallest goal. I also agree

It's not really about who deserve it more, this is about why someone can be really popular and why someone can't be, even tho in some cases they're much more talented. I agree

In short: it's about money. This is why Kpop agencies don't really debut Idols from average or poor families. It's much easier and cheaper to debut rich kids. This new trend limits the chances of real talents even more. no disagreement from me

I'm not saying rich kids can't be talented, btw.

my answer would still be no they are rated exactly where they should be rated since it's the industry/market that dictates that

And this is why this statement is wrong, because they're rated by an outdated standard and groups like MAMAMOO, SISTAR etc, achieved success by themselves, basically. but again who is the ones doing the rating - me and you and every other kpop and non kpop fan right? it's the fans and people that contribute $$$ and advertisers (aka the market) that determines what is popular and what is "more appreciated" and thus more "rated" compared to other idols who aren't as appreciated or rated

yes we all know the no. 1 criteria for most idols is how they look and that "skill" is 1000% more important than performing talent but that's literally how most of the entertainment industry works around the world. Hell that factor is probably even more important in life as pretty people have pretty advantage

If you're argument is that that standard or the system that fosters that standard is wrong and more people should be appreciating talent - I don't necessarily disagree but that's the system we have in place - that's the metric/criteria by which most people "appreciate" their favs and if your aim is to change the status quo - kudos to you my friend - Good luck

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