NewJeans ... is really on the legendary tier or just another Wonder Girls cases ?

I don’t think NJZ are even on the same level as Wonder Girls. Yes, they have hit songs, but none of the NJZ members stand out individually like Sohee, Sunmi, CL, or Bom did they’re not impactful figures on their own. In my opinion, the NJZ members are quite bland musically as individuals.

Their hit songs definitely have the potential to become legendary over time, like Nobody or Ugly, but as I said, to be compared to groups like WG or 2NE1,Twice. the members themselves need to leave an artistic mark and have individual influence as well.

Yes, I consider them legendary. On the OP too, I would rank 2NE1 as more legendary than Twice.

Obviously not the same as WGs because WGs are the most legendary ggs. But they are one of the closet groups to reach WGs level. NJs's 2023 is the most dominated year for a ggs, similar with WGs' string of hits back then.

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On the OP too, I would rank 2NE1 as more legendary than Twice.

Agreed

I think as a group and because of their hits songs they are definitely in legendary status, like WG or 2ne1.

But girls individually don't, as they were too young to declare that and Didn't have much activity, but they are still popular and can redeem their success individual or group wise

Did we not just had a thread like this?

1-2 years are nothing.

You know what is Legandary?

Sistar during the years 2011-2017 had 9 singles, all 9 reached nr 1 on the korean chart. How many groups can boost that they during a period of 6 years had 9 stright nr 1? That is class. NJ is not even close to that.

Unfortunately their career was stunted before they could reach any such level. Their status seems to be heading towards the path of the biggest what if of kpop.

depends on how the next stage of their career pans out

they are still young and we shall see

legendary careers are generally reserved for those who have had a decent? "Long" lasting career in terms of time frame whereas NJZ by some accounts have barely started

This discussion is being repeated over and over it's getting boring. Obviously a direct comparison is weird because they're really young, in more years we'll have a better perspective and obviously they're going to be back sooner or later (people acting like if they disbanded should really stop it, the worst situation is they'll be back after their contract with Hybe ends). Anyway in their short run they've done more than enough to be considered legendary already.

However I'm commenting because of other thing. I see so many ifans (not just in this thread) talking about the individual popularity of the members and they often say they are not that popular and I wonder where you all got this idea from?

Minji was basically sweeping the #1 spot in the brand reputation ranks until they decided to stop counting NJ's numbers because of the legal dispute, ranking higher than Karina or Wonyoung almost always during a whole year (followed close by other NJ members most of the times). Hanni was literally everywhere in Korea, her covers become viral and her performance in tokyo dome was huge and everybody was copying the performance and her haircut, even many idols have mentioned several times how much they love her. Both Hanni and Minji made rise in charts the songs they performed in Tokyo dome. Hyein was also contacted by IU to make a collab in her last album...

It's true with this big hiatus they might have lost some momentum but apart from Karina and Wonyoung I don't really see how there's any other 4th/5th gen gg members bigger than most of NJ, specially Hanni who is probably locked at #3 at least and Minji would not be too far.

These legendary debates are futile. "Legendary" in the context of music is subjective. Is it monetary success? National fame? International fame? Fandom size? Notoriety with the general public? Longevity? Which groups are "legends" depends on how we define "legendary" and it seems not everyone can agree on the definition

Legendary is a cheap word I see.

It's not like they wrote the second Bohemian Rhapsody or even Gangnam Style.

For a short time, some of heir songs did well for Kpop songs. That's all.

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I don’t think NJZ are even on the same level as Wonder Girls. Yes, they have hit songs, but none of the NJZ members stand out individually like Sohee, Sunmi, CL, or Bom did they’re not impactful figures on their own. In my opinion, the NJZ members are quite bland musically as individuals.

Their hit songs definitely have the potential to become legendary over time, like Nobody or Ugly, but as I said, to be compared to groups like WG or 2NE1,Twice. the members themselves need to leave an artistic mark and have individual influence as well.

The amount of upvotes this receives will determine how I treat this forum and the involved fandoms for the rest of the month.

How many threads will this topic have.

Lol.

I think they’ll always be in contention for legendary discussion for example they’re more legendary than hundreds of other GG’s. What they achieved is more impactful than what some groups have achieved in their entire careers.

However they will never be in the running for the top spot along with greats that had a long career with significant touring and sales.

So yeah maybe they’re top 15 or 20 (I’m just throwing out a number don’t come for me) of all time “legendary” with just their rookie years. But they’re miles behind acts like say Twice who are filling up huge venues in their 10th year. That’s all there is to it.

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However I'm commenting because of other thing. I see so many ifans (not just in this thread) talking about the individual popularity of the members and they often say they are not that popular and I wonder where you all got this idea from?

influence is the same as popularity now

They were well on their way to becoming the 2nd biggest girl group of all time - maybe even surpassing BP. But we’ll never know for sure. What is certain, though, is that they’ve secured a spot among the top 5 biggest female K-pop groups. Their run was short, but incredibly impactful; they released 13 singles, which is more than some groups manage in several years. With 5 physical releases and a strong, influential catalog, they’ve already earned their place in the history of K-pop girl groups.

I don't see the majority of 4th-gen girl groups surpassing NewJeans anytime soon - even if they were to stop releasing music. That said, I could see LE SSERAFIM potentially outlasting them in terms of numbers, especially since they’re still active and seem to have a promising future ahead with a strong backing from HYBE.

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I don’t think NJZ are even on the same level as Wonder Girls. Yes, they have hit songs, but none of the NJZ members stand out individually like Sohee, Sunmi, CL, or Bom did they’re not impactful figures on their own. In my opinion, the NJZ members are quite bland musically as individuals.

Their hit songs definitely have the potential to become legendary over time, like Nobody or Ugly, but as I said, to be compared to groups like WG or 2NE1,Twice. the members themselves need to leave an artistic mark and have individual influence as well.

I don't think that's the same thing. Being more known outside of a group doesn't make a group more legendary. Is NSYNC more legendary than Backstreet boys because Justin Timberlake went on to have a massive career?

NewJeans as a group is more legendary than Wonder Girls, but never had the chance yet to build themselves individually. Also, how can we say none of the members stand out when Hyein for example featured on a song with IU. That seems like a major feat because not many artists get to feature on an IU song. Members in the group have gone viral. You can easily point to moments with Hanni where she went viral for performances. Members styles have went viral and there's countless moments. I don't think its fair to say the members haven't stood out in their brief careers. They were able to do things individually that most 4th gen idols haven't done imo. Of course career wise they won't match an artist like Sunmi yet, but I wouldn't count them out if things swing in their favor.

You have to be at least more than 10 years in industry and still manage to be on top to be called legendary. And you have to be loved by public,known by non kpop fans, and your works are timeless. Only IU has reached that level in Korea.

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You have to be at least more than 10 years in industry and still manage to be on top to be called legendary. And you have to be loved by public,known by non kpop fans, and your works are timeless. Only IU has reached that level in Korea.

Day6 legends still topping the charts since their debut in 2015. They even have more songs in the Melon Top 100 than IU right now at this moment, with songs from 2017 and 2019

Day6 is the most legendary

It's still too early to be having this talk.

Now everybody remembers njz bc they were literally here like yesterday, but if they keep this legal battle and go on a hiatus for years will they be as remembered as now?

For now they were an extremely huge group, but legendary? I'll wait a few years to see how they'll be remembered or if they'll become active again and topping the charts, touring, etc.

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Honestly....... Do you all think they are legendary if they've only had a 3-year run?

Why do you think they are legendary?

I don't think so.

They'd have to be in the industry for about 5 years, I think, to be considered that.

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Tbh i think it's impossible to answer this question

In a way Yes newjeans are legendary cuz what they did internationally and in korea with just their debut will be hard or pretty much impossible to match

Like we will always mention them in the discussion of GG who had big peak and reach the top in a short amount of time

And in another way i can't consider them legendary yet

Cuz i feel like because of this whole mess their potential to be legendary was cut short before they could establish themselves as a legendary gg at the same status than gg like 2ne1, snsd etc...

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Wonder Girls with just first 1.5 years was already a legend with impact surpassed 100% of other ggs:

- they made ggs relevant again, after the dark age of gg post-2000,

- proved that ggs can compete with bgs, not just a side product like before. By being the first ggs more popular than bgs of the same time (to the gp), first ggs to won daesang at major adward show,

- brought "hook song" to kpop, a formula for most kpop hits later on.

NewJeans with same timeframe has the closest achievements to WGs'. Just look at 5th generation now: people will accuse any group as NJs copy with just a minor similarity. Basically 5th gen = NJs clones vs not-NJs. If it's not impactful then I don't know what it is. NJs can influences both GGs and BGs, while most other can only influence GGs (except WGs).

It's safe to say they're legendary now.

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And how are they bland musically as individuals when they have no individual music to be bland on?

Compared to members of legendary groups, NJZ’s members feel pretty ordinary on an individual level. Throughout their careers so far, they haven’t really made a lasting impact musically or personally outside the group. Legendary groups usually have at least one or two members who stand out as iconic in their own right, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here. They didn’t or couldnt really make a lasting impact musically or individually.I know NJZ members have done some OSTs and duets, but they haven’t managed to outshine the group or make a stronger name for themselves as individual artists. That’s what I meant.

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NJZ’s members feel pretty ordinary on an individual level.

Uhm. They are much more personable than 90% of kpop.

Okay, Blinks and Onces. I see where majority of the upvotes came from. I was about to personally commit to the path of peace, but I see you want war.

So be it.

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Dude you are 42 not 2. Please knock this off. There is not a single reason why you should be trying to intimidate people because they disagree with your opinion. Remember opinions are like a--holes, everyone has one but not everyone has to like each others.

You and the other two throwing a fuss in this thread have made my head hurt.

I will not relent for as long as people keep assuming I'm in my 40s

I am NOT BlackpinkHouse

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Okay, Blinks and Onces. I see where majority of the upvotes came from. I was about to personally commit to the path of peace, but I see you want war.

So be it.

You can’t do anything. Because both these groups are like 9-10 years old and are having the biggest tours of their careers while your favs are dead. So this will just turn on you like all your threads and flop 😭

Twice is not more legendary than 2NE1 lmao. And WG barely ever had a core fandom so their "legend" status is limited.

To be legendary, you need to have substantial years of career. NJ doesn't have that (yet) and may or may not have more to come

But they are definitely the biggest WHAT IF for kpop.

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Twice is not more legendary than 2NE1 lmao. And WG barely ever had a core fandom so their "legend" status is limited.

Why core fandom is a need for legend status? WGs' achievements were above the need to have a fandom.

Twice and 2NE1 are at the same levels: both are super popular groups with big contribution to the industry but not game-changing like BP and WGs. If we rank all ggs by influence then it should be like this:

- Tier 0 / Game changer: S.E.S, WGs, BP, NewJeans

- Tier 1 / Range of their influences are a bit more limited than tier 0: Fin.K.L, 2NE1, Twice, I.O.I

- Tier 2 / Being one of the biggest groups at their peaks: Sistar, IZONE, etc

- Tier 3 / popularized some niche interests: f(x), SNSD, etc

- Tier 4 / Used to be popular but not much of legacies

- Tier 5 / Mid-popular or nugu

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To be legendary, you need to have substantial years of career. NJ doesn't have that (yet) and may or may not have more to come

But they are definitely the biggest WHAT IF for kpop.

Like half of 5th gen are NJs copies or at least laypeople thought that. They are already the legend themselves.

I think its because its only been 3 years since their debut so people dont think of the word "legendary" when it comes to NewJeans.

But I think in the future when we look back people will acknowledge that even with a short period of time that they were here, they have surpassed most of the top girl groups in many many metrics. So I think they should be considered as one of the top girlgroups across all generations.

After all these time with 3rd, 4th, 5th gen girlgroups debuting everywhere, NewJeans is still the only gg that is able to compete with Blackpink when they were active. That alone speaks volumes

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I mostly agree with what you're saying here but SNSD at tier 3 and IOI at tier 1 is insane

IIRC SNSD was the first group to have photocards in physical albums, they also popularized the "mixed-genre" songs with IGAB. Generally I don't think their impact are big enough for tier 2 or above: photocards helped but not the only reason kpop physical sales blown up, mixed-genre is not that popular only nmixx and some SM groups' title tracks utilized it.

IOI is easily tier 1. They are the first big group that public viewers could vote for the member, as of now public survival shows are major part of the industry. That's huge impact.

Another major contribution of IOI is that they introduced the concept of "center position" to kpop. Now everyone and their grandmas look at the centers first each time a new group debut, most of the time centers also are the most popular and stan-attractor.