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Quote from Lost_in_Paradise

I wonder why everyone's metric for success is always Eurocentric. Some might think Blackpink are bigger because they have an audience among "Western", American or European countries but that doesn't necessarily constitute a global audience.

Kpop spread across Asia before it could reach the West and the Hallyu wave has been a slow-moving soft power process since the 90s (arguably). Arguing that Big Bang is the biggest because they're probably more well-known across Asia is not the far reach people think it is, especially when you add the element of their longevity and the fact they were able to access a wider audience (across genders and ages etc).

When people select highest-grossing movies of all time, people tend to adjust for inflation. It makes perfect sense why some would apply a similar way of thinking when discussing who's the "biggest" as all groups listed are from different generations so to make a direct comparison becomes rather difficult. If this question had the option for PSY, he would also be a strong contender for being the biggest in this line of argument.

Really the question should have been framed better- does biggest really mean a group with a Western audience? Are we referring to groups biggest within Korea? Or who has the biggest audience across all age groups? Or does it mean biggest in terms of revenue and income generated? Does it mean who is the biggest in 2024 or who is the biggest with adjustments to the limitations of their respective (Kpop) generation?

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I thought this was because nobody wants to bring up Asia when comparing achievements against Blackpink because that is practically their home ground.

I actually think that in Europe or US or the west, Blackpink's success, stats, impact can still be arguable and maybe not as big as people make it out to be.

But in Asia they are seriously at a different level. Charting, streaming, touring etc Blackpink are basically as big as they are in Korea or even bigger in some Asian countries. They are basically like the a top 3/5 artist there

Just a small example the #1 Song in Singapore and Malaysia in 2022.
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Everyone knows how much impact Bigbang and 2NE1 has on the company and on the industry but they are nowhere close to Blackpink in success if we are being totally honest with ourselves

Quote from atropos

APT. scores another 50M + digital points week on circle digital chart (53M). First song to do so after beach again in 2020. Also this is the biggest week of digital points for any song in 2024

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Thats actually pretty crazy

Mostly? Definitely not because I think kpop groups debuting between 2018-2022 have the best luck and timing since they debuting when kpop blew up internationally so they get way more attention than those who debut before.

It has definitely helped Blackpink in some regards, there is no doubt about it tho. But if we're being honest look at the number of big3/4 ggs who debuted between 2016 and now and the fact that we can only name maybe 1 gg that has come close to the level of success/popularity they had when u can make a point about all their privileges speaks volumes.

I do think that their songs is not as good as some other ggs though and they got carried abit by the members' star power

I am not as well informed about the Newjeans-Hybe situation as the ppl that are invested in this issue but with big corporations like HYBE and those with alot of power, the court of public opinion is a very powerful thing, and it seems like HYBE lost alot on that front.

It is just like that one time Coca cola lost billions because Ronaldo decides to tell everyone to drink water instead of coke because its not healthy

Whiplash already going to overtake Power after the weekend?

Quote from Beesknees

AKMU, Jennie, Rose and G-Dragon all in the top 10 on Melon24

YG really failed with artists after Blackpink domestically

To be fair, if Blackpink was the one who released 'Drip' I would think it will be a #1 Hit.

YG also tried to promote Babymonster abit more than his normal groups but it aint working. I find it so shocking that a YG girlgroup is not doing well in k-charts

Maybe their reputation in korea is really down the drain

G-Dragon managed to block APT on Bugs for about a day but its back now

Chorus could have been slightly better but overall the song is great

Its the biggest kpop song since Dynamite

Monday is here and its time to see how ridiculous the ULs of APT can get

Are they shading YG for how they have managed Blackpink? Based on the translation it sounds like they think they can manage a group's western push better than YG has done since Blackpink went to Coachella lol

Success is a vague term because almost all groups do not have the level of success Blackpink has but some are still considered successful nonetheless.

The only group that can reach Blackpink's level and be consistently big every comeback is probably newjeans depending on how their future goes

Is APT actually going to beat 2023 highest ULs records?

Does anyone know what was the highest ULs achieved in 2023?

army vs blinks at their peak in 2018-19 was a different level.

They fought over both real and made-up conflicts 24/7 and there were some really really terrible stuff going around

Blackpink debuted when the whole concept of YG family was falling apart and was blamed for 2NE1's disbandment and Twice whilest they had their survival show it was nowhere as popular as the biggest survival shows in korea + their debut song did not do well from the start, it was a sleeper hit.

They also did not debut in an era where the kpop market is as global as it is now. So it cant really be Bp or Twice

2NE1's discography was considered golden back in the day, but I think it really aged badly compared to some of the other 2nd gen songs.

Blackpink is given better songs so I'd have to pick them

Since when has YG ever been so open about a group?

Btw did he just basically confirm that it is basically a matter of time for Ahyeon to join the group?

Quote from Dreamer95

Not even close? Gosh what the fuck are you talking about, are you okay? What is "not even close". Literally everywhere BP toured Twice toured as well and even more. Yall are pushing narrative for narratives sake at this point.

The fact is that in career stats they are not even close, same with Twice and Blackpink in Sales the other way around

160M+ vs 318M+ grossing is the current touring total, and Im not even including the 1 online concerts for each.

This is literally non-arguable because its just pure data.

Mamamoo is more of hit or miss, so I'll choose Bp