Posts by z1

Its way more of a Treasure song than Blackpink song, I think with YG they always have weird choruses that stand out but for this debut they tried playing it safe

Korean Digitals: ITZY ( Dalla Dalla was by far the biggest gg song in korea in 2019), Hip and Psycho are close by

Sales: Twice

Streams, spotify and international charting: Blackpink

Touring: Blackpink

Conclusion: No top gg, its just different metrics led by different girl groups

I mean their popularity comes from different things since their music is different so its extremely difficult to compare the two.

Newjeans' music style is just not really built for the same viral ability as Twice's songs imo

People boasting abt Twice having 9 #1s in 3 years shld know that NewJeans is extremely capable of putting out the same number of hits within 3 years if you look at how many hits they have in the 1.5 years they are active

Digitally charting wise, it will be really hard to argue against NewJeans. But Twice was so viral back then in other factors and parts of their songs are way more well known. It just depends on what people value more

Always felt like Red Velvet were lucky to be compared to Twice/Bp just because they are part of the big 3 companies in 3rd gen.

Musically they can put out better songs, but in terms of success in korea, they are way closer to Mamamoo than to Twice/Bp, which should be in a different league. Twice has the most #1s (peak) and Blackpink has the most gaon/circle points of all the ggs + hits without reaching #1 (longetivity)

In general though, 3rd gen ggs just do not have that great of digital power in Korea as compared to other generations so Idk why people are so obsessed over their success there. 2nd gen was always stronger and 4th gen already show signs that they will be stronger digitally in korea as well

I'd view that as a good thing because if gg's like Blackpink, Twice, RV are still viewed as 'trendy' after 7+ years into their debut, it means the GP does not care abt new ggs anymore and kpop is dead in korea.

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It seems impossible to me that HIP didn't make this list for MAMAMOO (or I'm blind). It didn't hit a PAK, but I have a hard time understanding how it had less overall digitals than You're The Best.

I'll have to do some research

Since this is an all time list, it takes years for songs to climb up, the newest songs on the list (HYLT and Nonstop) are almost 3 years old and was the top 5 biggest idol songs of that year.

It also favors songs bigger initial numbers. Since Dolphin and Lovesick Girls are not there but both have better longetivity than Nonstop and HYLT

Its way too difficult to compare between 2nd gen and 3rd gen ggs.

But I dont think its a stretch to say that 2nd gen ggs did way better digitally in korea than 3rd gen ones. Even 4th gen ggs seem to do better and they have just started. Outside of Blackpink/Twice nobody is consistently really big or get super big hits in korea in any big period of time for 3rd gen ggs.

So I wouldnt be surprised if the list is dominated by 2nd gen + NewJeans or Ive + Blackpink and Twice. The only issue with 4th gen is that they dont have the number of songs under their belt but they already have at least 2 way bigger hits than MMM/RV (3rd/4th best performing 3rd gen gg) ever had

Not impossible, but too early to say

The most important metric for group's for success is touring. And NewJeans havent started that yet. If they can tour as much as Blackpink or Twice, there is a chance.

Some of Blackpink's international success are also pretty difficult to beat especially their SEA ones.

In Korea, they seem like the real deal now, but korean gp tend to be fickle and so we have to see longetivity as well.

But they have definitely shown real promise, its just hard to judge idol's careers in one year in this industry

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Blackpink did not have the number 1 digital song in 2020.

They were still #1 in digitals in 2020 for ggs, I was just referring to what u said.

Which was to be #1 in all areas for ggs, and Blackpink did that in 2020, as did Twice in 2016.

Blackpink was also #1 in touring that year, Twice has not started touring in 2016, but i didnt discount that from them either if you really want to go into the details

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Twice at their peak was basically the number 1 gg in digital, physical albums, views, streams, and everything. No other gg groups have done that in same year since Twice.

Blackpink 2020 did that to be fair, but impressive for all parties involved

so i suppose YGNGG will debut Jan or Feb?

Time to see how much of YG power is actually left

if this really happens then YG will lose their status as part of the big 3 for sure.

Their status in the big 3 was only kept alive because of how big Blackpink was.

This is like DSP all over again?

How times have changed

Blinks and Onces have basically reversed roles now one fighting over achievements in the US and one fighting over achievements in Korea

Congratz on the achievement

For those fighting over the number, this is spotify ONLY (30% of US market), hence why the confusion on why when calculated in all platforms Blackpink probably has more. No one is going to come close to their yt numbers.

Shut Down and Blackpink in top3 is pretty insane in a year dominated by rookie ggs in SK

also no tomboy?

Holy

Dynamite #1 in 2022?!

Blackpink still top gg and 2 songs in gallup top 10, Shut Down is Blackpink's second highest song ranking after D4 at #3 in gallup. I cannot believe no rookie gg is above them this year

No Tomboy...

Interesting list

In terms of actual figures, again because of Blackpink's born pink tour, even with the dates they have done and are confirmed to be doing so far only, they are going to be second and the top gg because that tour is just way too huge. (Multiple times of any other kgg tour in attendance and more in revenue).

And if say they are going to be doing even more dates to anything close to 1.5M stated by YG the only thing it is going to do is make them impossible to catch

I just dont know how the two big ggs (Blackpink and Twice) compares to the other boy groups in figures (other than BTS bc i know they are first).

That was a huge moment for South Korea at the world cup especially with the drama attached to it. I'd imagine anything related to it now will get some sort of boost with the world cup fever in SK at a high now

also when is this decrease in circle points going to stop?

This year the criteria to reach top 10 rn is at 450M? Thats so low

It wouldnt even make top 20 last year as well

If a song in 2018 or 2019 got 450M it wouldnt even be labelled as a hit

the only reason why Ive winning those daesangs over Gidle is such a big deal because they think this is probably Gidle's only chance to do so. (And it might be)

Yes 3rd gen grps are slowly and mostly dying or not performing well digitally anymore but i dont understand why some ppl are so happy abt it tbh

Using korean award shows wins to determine which song is bigger was never correct anyways

They have their own criteria and were never and will never be completely fair and sometimes they give to whoever they want.

Tomboy dont need those daesangs to prove how big it is really