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Timing lol
Very less difference between pink venom and shut down uls. SD should be able to overtake?
Is this the first time since SD was released that it is above Pink Venom?
It should return to #4 daily peak tmr
Im also curious about how JYPE will actually do from now on forward.
They are losing the good gg run they had and it is almost like so many other companies can chart better than them in korea
wonder with their obsession with western market they will soon start to abandon korean market all together
Actually I've never understood why most award shows exclude these songs, I understand they might have some kind of ''advantage'' because being in the tv they might have more promotion but they're just songs after all, it's kind of weird that they don't judge them all in the same way.
Personally I'm glad Melon have always included them.
which award shows exclude them?
I only know circle or gaon used to disregard them for their monthly SOTY awards
Display MoreI don't disagree - it was further impacted by the volume of music they put out as well.
2017 was also the start of a crazy amount of output and from then on in their comebacks lost some spark and legs. People had a new Twice track to listen to every few months, which does essentially devalue a product as Twice title tracks basically became substitute goods of one another and they were massively overexposed.
JYPE barely ever tried to push their b-sides as their title tracks were coming out at such a quick rate which gave them the image of a one-trick pony.
There was a balance to be found but JYPE never managed to find it and the state of the company at the time meant they just took the easiest route to short-term gains, which was having Twice pump out content at a crazy rate with a safe sound.
I'll always standby that their earlier management is what cost them real longevity in South Korea with their music.
Probably 2017 and 2018 based on that kind of management. They had 7 korean singles in between the 2 years + japanese singles.
And only between 2017/18 did they have so many singles. Before that 2017 and after 2018 they toned it down.
It was pretty clear JYPE wanted to capitalise on their hype during that 2 years after a huge 2016 and they did so leading to their string of #1s. But even back then everyone knew they couldnt keep going like that and now we see the consequences of it
Maybe if they kept 2 singles a year during 2017/18 like they have now and during 2016 they would be have been in a far better situation at this stage of their careers
ul peaks are nice but never a reliable metric to judge a song’s performance on charts. izone peaked in uls with ssots but that song is obviously not the most successful song in their discography
i think when discussing songs’ success, stats on charts should not be the be all end all method of discussion. they’re helpful, but not gospel. there are many cases when a song doesn’t look as successful on paper but actually left far more impact. in korea i’d say mgt and uoay are still gfriend and mamamoo’s most well known song despite their strings of more impressive-looking hits charts wise afterwards. and i think loa falls into this category of hits. keep in mind that what you see for loa’s initial charting doesn’t tell the whole story, bc it initially wasn’t a hit at all, but became a sleeper hit afterwards
i am not really going to agrue against ur point about stats not being the most important because it is always going to be true for some songs.
And so if u think that LOA is bigger due to that fact. Then im not going to argue against it. Besides, how does one even argue over popularity and impact? There is no right, no wrong.
I dont feel the impact and popularity of the song like some others, doesnt mean that im right and the other person is wrong.
Personally, i see TT and CU as the ones that really stands out in those areas and not the rest, and as good the fact that LOA was a sleeper hit, i didnt think it can be called 'definitely bigger than YOY' just because it is so
It looks like that due to longevity but as a summer song it will always have that advantage. TT's peak was huge and subsequently its impact was as well. It was after TT that Twice got given the NGG moniker consistently by media outlets.
LoA for me is an example of something I tend to always bring up when I look at the size/impact of a hit - deviation from the mean hit/popularity of a group. LoA didn't start well on the charts and Twice didn't debut with much pomp, it fell to like the 90s on Melon at one point soon after debut. So for it to then become a sleeper hit and spend 7/8 weeks in the top 10 after needing 3 months to get there means something big had to have happened. Not only was the song bringing in new listeners over 3 months but it was also retaining them at a good rate.
I think back then it might have been easier to judge impact then now.
I always think that for Twice, there is a favourtism to their earliest 3 tracks that brought them to fame. Down the road, since they were already so big, so no matter how well the songs perform they dont feel 'as big'.
So from 2017 onwards the songs were already on the losing end of the stick if we compare them to their earlier songs.
The argument is however always there that their earlier songs should be the biggest just due to the nature of Twice's rise and i do understand it as well
I always thought YOY was bigger than KK.
It is.
The only thing is that KK appeared in yearly top 10 due to its feb release so I guess some ONCEs value it more
Knock knock had a great start, but not as big as YOY
i’m impartial about the tt vs dtna debate but loa was definitely a bigger hit than yoy both domestically and internationally
We arent really comparing internationally here or that would be a real mess
Btw YOY- Highest peak ULs for any Twice songs, 2nd longest in top10 for Twice after Cheer Up, 39 weeks in top 100
I'd argue that its statistically better than KK in most departments even
I think when looking at Twice songs is how much we do value the peak vs longetivity.
Most of them except LOA, Cheer Up and later DTNA had pretty poor longetivity in comparison to their peak. But they all peak #1.
For those who value longetivity more, KK might not be in top 5 just for how poor it did in longetivity.
In the end, thats also how we compare TT vs DTNA
Gaon points for Twice miss out more than half of their biggest hits in South Korea so it takes into account their decline digitally but not their peak. As useful as a metric it can be now, using it as an all-encompassing metric when comparing 3rd gen groups careers doesn't make sense to me.
Also did no-one know the answer to the Butter in Vietnam question? Where's Massivekpop when you need them.
I think we came to that conclusion a while back in this thread when comparing the two top ggs- that it is difficult to compare two of them based on all the different stats alone in korea
I think massive hasnt really been active for a while on this thread but lets try pinging
Start of 2018.
Heart Shaker was released in December, and Likey late October 2017, so they contributed alot to Twice's points as well(Over 1.3Billion or 20%) + the fact that 2018/19 digital points were way higher meant that Blackpink probably would've overtaken them earlier with The Album had both groups started from square one in 2018 and completely removed points from songs released before 2018
But eventually it has happened.
If we really want to deep dive into the circle points, we are basically comparing Heart Shaker + 80% of Likey's points + the 11 singles Twice had since then vs 7 Blackpink singles + Forever Young Bside points.
Considering Lovesick Girls debuted at 59, this is some achievement
Display MoreI mean it's hard to know exactly, because October has many releases coming up which may enter the top 10.
Be'o is in a few days, and given his previous strength, I expect him to go well (also he's a hidden wildcard for Artist of the Year that no-one seems to acknowledge).
A general rule of thumb is - the lower and/or sharper the peak, the faster it will fall. So
After Like - 14 - 18 Weeks
Shut Down - 5 - 6 Weeks
Attention - 16-20 Weeks
Pink Venom - 9 - 12 Weeks
Hype Boy - 13 - 18 Weeks
New Jeans have lots of popularity in KR right now. I think their songs are the ones most likely to stubbornly stick around.
Upcoming acts - Be'o, Seulgi, LSF, Idle all have the potential to hit top 10. Be'o's album is absolutely stacked with talent, so I'd be very surprised if he doesn't chart something.
I just realized LSF and G-idle are coming back on the same time.
Thats going to be interesting for sure
Any predictions for number of weeks in top 10 for the top 5 female songs now?
Currently:
After Like- 5 weeks (Position: 2)
Shut Down- 1 week (Position: 3)
Attention- 7 weeks (Position: 4)
Pink Venom- 5 weeks(Position: 5)
Hype Boy- 7 weeks(Position: 6)
Did you major in literature or what
