This year has been a harsh lesson and ugly reminder of how there are no "good" companies in this industry

The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if a CEO from the Big4 announces a martial law for the company.

No one gets in and no one gets out.

I disagree in part. I wouldn't call them company stans.

Lucky they aren't in the US where we laud CEOs being gunned down in the streets. There is clearly some need for a reformation of sorts in the kpop industry but as you said, how many more wake up calls is it gonna take.

People mix up employees of companies with the companies. Just because one or two employees have done something wrong don't mean the whole company are bad. You also have Idols that do bad thinks or have a bad personality.

Companies are companies, they are an crucial part of the daily life and important for kpop. Without them we would not have any kpop.

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People mix up employees of companies with the companies. Just because one or two employees have done something wrong don't mean the whole company are bad. You also have Idols that do bad thinks or have a bad personality.

Companies are companies, they are a crucial part of the daily life and important for kpop. Without them we would not have any kpop.

Huh ? Well I’m sorry but in a regular company even if only two employees are toxic I will still not want to work in the said company. Employees are apart of a company so yes if the staff is trash then the company is trash.

Without them we would not have any kpop.

No shit Sherlock

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They are company stans.

No..they're really not but let's agree to disagree.

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Yes, they are. I would know better than anyone, since I've spent 8 months straight fighting with them

Sure.

YG is not that bad afterall considering that their former artists have had still good relationship with Yang Hyunsuk..

Was JYPE really exposed here? We have stories from all their groups of members having to go on extreme diets. Let me quote a master

"They are who we thought they were!" - Dennis Green

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YG is not that bad afterall considering that their former artists have had still good relationship with Yang Hyunsuk..

That's doesn't say much JYP has a good relationship with most of his former idols including at least somewhat KG as she praised him. I think people have to stop thinking just because the idols may have liked the CEO, that means the company was all great or not bad.

I wonder which company in kpop would be considered the best of the worst

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YG is not that bad afterall considering that their former artists have had still good relationship with Yang Hyunsuk..

People were just too focused on witchhunting YG back then..

not defending YHS that guy definitely not the sole reason 2NE1 BB left LOL. There are more issues to them AND the company as well

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International fans needed a wake up call. Several times throughout this year I've seen threads on other platforms praising JYP, the man and the company, for how well they take care of their artists' well-being compared to the other big labels. Well, in the worst way imaginable, all those people are forced to accept that JYP isn't an outlier in any way.

JYP? Seriously?

That man and/or the company literally overwork their artists and spend little to no effort on the comebacks of their older artists including Twice, ITZY.. that's one of the biggest reason they have the highest profit margin because they barely reinvest the profits into the groups and just milk them + the fans

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Huh ? Well I’m sorry but in a regular company even if only two employees are toxic I will still not want to work in the said company. Employees are apart of a company so yes if the staff is trash then the company is trash.

Without them we would not have any kpop.

No shit Sherlock

Spot on. Anyone who’s worked in a company knows that when toxic behaviour is overlooked, it poisons the entire atmosphere. Employees reflect the leadership, and if toxicity is tolerated, it’s on the company to address it. Poor management ruins both the culture and reputation.

Of course every company have its bad side, but for the one that got exposed just show how significant the 'issue'. Everyone can see how there is always issue for companies every year. The artists themselves should lodge a report for the wrongdoings, if they can't speak up then how would their fans who never go inside the company can helps them to make the report. It's hard for the fans, but some should just stop justify the wrongdoing of the companies.

The second worst part is the fans that keeps defending them and trying to normalize their actions as part of kpop culture.

Kpop companies always have been the worst. Slave contracts, crazy diets, lack of sleep, sexual abuse, debt/scams. You name it they've done it.

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Lucky they aren't in the US where we laud CEOs being gunned down in the streets. There is clearly some need for a reformation of sorts in the kpop industry but as you said, how many more wake up calls is it gonna take.

Elon musk used Twitter to spread misinformation, get around directly buying votes (his 1m giveaway) and now is part of the gov. A CEO basically manipulated an entire election and is rewarded with more opportunities to get even richer and more powerful.

Trump himself was a businessman and celeb and he became president. Twice.

America praises CEOs a shit ton.

I mean even in this thread people are still pointing out that x is better and y isnt so bad

Bro the other day I opened insta and some fans were thirsting over YG the man and praising him and im like?? whats this 2013???

I wonder its theyre new fans bc I once wasnt aware of how things worked. Apart from numerous scandals my biggest realizition happened after witnessing things go full circle with a clear rise and fall of a generation.

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Yes

International fans needed a wake up call. Several times throughout this year I've seen threads on other platforms praising JYP, the man and the company, for how well they take care of their artists' well-being compared to the other big labels. Well, in the worst way imaginable, all those people are forced to accept that JYP isn't an outlier in any way.

The only legitimate outlier I saw was OG ADOR, and that's gone for good. For now.

I guess the reason I'm confused is many JYPE fandoms have shit on JYPE constantly for mistreatment against the members of all their groups. I do agree that JYPE had a bit of a better rep but it wasnt untarnished. ,Maybe its just what you were seeing from company Stans which isn't really instructive of the whole.

There are no good k-companies. There are just lesser evils.

The only instance where you can say a company is good for their artist is when we are talking about companies established by an idol which manage only said idol.

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Two things can be true at the same time. I'm aware that JYPE fandoms roast JYPE on the regular, but the consensus opinion I've seen just from the average K-Pop fan, who may not be specifically be in a JYPE fandom, is that JYPE is the "good company" and JYP is the least problematic CEO. This isn't something I've seen once or twice in isolation but an opinion I've seen many, many times over several years; this isn't a tiny sample size or just a couple of personal anecdotes.

JYPE may indeed be a good company and JYP may be the least problematic. But in an industry that is rampant with abuse that is deemed "normal" and "necessary" that doesnt mean much. The fact remains, yes people have overly hyped JYPE for being good, but there have also been plenty of criticism of JYPE and its practices for years. But I agree, maybe this has broken that illusion for some but for some as well this has only confirmed what we have already seen from previous JYPE groups and indeed from groups around Kpop

Maybe I'm too old to understand this, but I'm never gonna understand how can people stan a company or even a CEO. Like, did they escape from a mental hospital?

How can you support a company or a CEO that bullying and abusing your favorite artists on a daily basis.

Honestly, so many fandoms prove every time something bad happens to Idols that they only stan NUMBERS!

Btw, it's not just the BIG4, it's the whole industry!

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Huh ? Well I’m sorry but in a regular company even if only two employees are toxic I will still not want to work in the said company. Employees are apart of a company so yes if the staff is trash then the company is trash.

Without them we would not have any kpop.

No shit Sherlock

So if I work for a company that hava 100 000 workers and 1000 of them are "trash" the company is trash?

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I wonder which company in kpop would be considered the best of the worst

possibly KQ? the only thing negative I've heard about is the use of AI for an album cover. well maybe that and fansign issues like seating and stuff...

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Even the one who's still an active performer?

is this JYP

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possibly KQ? the only thing negative I've heard about is the use of AI for an album cover. well maybe that and fansign issues like seating and stuff...

HwaGoose Do you keep up with KQ at all?