Gidle has flopped tremendously this comeback, what does this means for their future and 4th gen girl groups?

It did flop on spotify, I will agree with that.

it was already bad but seeing the comparison with dreamcatcher (sorry DC I love you) really puts it in perspective. imma let you cook with this 1....

i’m pretty sure we’ve been telling yall that there are a handful of top girl groups in the 4th gen and they either do extremely well or less than average based mostly on the song.

I couldn't care less about their Spotify numbers — Idle were never strong internationally but it's baffling to say the least how they are arguably the most consistent 4th gen group on kcharts but nearly every song had a kinda slow start. Queencard took a a week or two to reach #1, and now Klaxon is rising slowly despite Fate saving the '2' era. For a group that has put out 4 huge hits in a row, I expect them to be topping charts right after release but it's always after promo or the song going viral that their songs reach #1.

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Mind that Fate is song with most points on Circle Chart in 2024

It's one of candidates for SOTY

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As long as you don't try to sneak newjeans in there you are right. But klaxon isn't even bad, and not bad enough to get them 300k streams only so your explanation is true, for every group is the same, 3rd gen too, depending on the song it will do more or less well, twice for example when they started to have 2 comebacks per year they had a song that did better on korean charts but worse internationally and one that was the contrary (fancy the exception).

This era of kpop and korean charts is like that, in 3rd gen hardly a song that started bad become a big hit weeks after because of virality, at least for the top groups. This has cemented gidle as the 6th biggest girl group of 4th gen overall for me, they won't surpass itzy just with 3 big hits.

i’m gonna sneak newjeans in there

namely IVE, Newjeans, aespa & Gidle as the top performing girlgroups of the 4th gen that kind of shuffle around rankings in terms of success of their recent comebacks etc.

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I couldn't care less about their Spotify numbers — Idle were never strong internationally but it's baffling to say the least how they are arguably the most consistent 4th gen group on kcharts but nearly every song had a kinda slow start. Queencard took a a week or two to reach #1, and now Klaxon is rising slowly despite Fate saving the '2' era. For a group that has put out 4 huge hits in a row, I expect them to be topping charts right after release but it's always after promo or the song going viral that their songs reach #1.

it's because their success is mostly due to their music. the group itself has very little hype compared to the success of their songs.

soyeon is pretty good at making gp friendly songs and will probably do fine after gidle as a songwrtier/composer.

why do people call everything payola now?

Soon, having a shop in the street selling fruit and vegetables is payola for oranges

Everyone will turn in to ITZY sooner or later

Not gonna lie, I thought G-Idle would be spared from your wrath

Superlady debuted with 890K with much more promotion, Klaxon with 365K, and already passed 2M after a week.

Before people trying to call someone or a group a FLOP, do some research! 95% of Kpop groups/soloist are technically flops on Spotify. This doesn't mean anything. Groups like Gidle are a longevity group on streaming platforms because people listening to their songs because they love it, not because they want to brag about their streaming numbers.

People have to realize that not every CB will be success, especially if they do multiple comebacks in one year. They had 2 cb's in 6 months, and this is their 3rd album with more than 1M sales after 1 week. Calling them flops just because of Spotify is just madness!

Didn't theor bside outchart their title track during super lady era? That song has potential to be nominated for SOTY, that's how well it did.

Anyway... this literally means nothing. Next time they pick better song they will chart better, I wouldn't worry for gidle.

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rn they are doing 300k daily streams for klaxon, and they never surpassed the 400k range, this is way worse than their 4th gen competitors, even below Ive that has been underperforming on spotify for 2 eras now. Not only they are way below a 5th gen girl group like kiss of life but even a low tier girl group like dreamcatcher managed to gain 200k streams on their main track, gidle for a moment was doing barely better than dreamcatcher!! This doesn't feel real, I can't believe this. Even Twice worst japanese release of all time, dive managed to get 500K and 400K streams for some days and is currently less than 80k streams, this is crazy

Ohhh when you put it in this perspective maybe some of my so called flop favss are not doing all that badly as I have been brainwashed into thinking.

Honestly this song deserves flopping that hard. It is their worst song released so far. Also, they had 7m+ playlisting on its first day same as Le sserafim and Aespa

I been saying dis the whole year, in terms of relevancy they’re closer to Itzy than to aespa or LSF, the Gidle glaze has been insane on AKP

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RE: So should we update the top 5 4gen GG or is it the same ranking?

Some of y’all are just glorifying Gidle atp without an ounce of objectivity. Even Gidle themselves wouldn’t admit they’re anywhere near the top 3

Adelaidestevsn

Jun 5th 2024

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Don't make me tap the sign

150K-200K for dreamcatcher with 2M playlist reach is actually good, their company isn't doing anything for them there

I couldn't believe my ears when they sang: honk honk hit the klaxon, soyeon can't be for real, we are accustomed to cringe lyrics on kpop but this one feels so off

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150K-200K for dreamcatcher with 2M playlist reach is actually good, their company isn't doing anything for them there

Not like they can, everything DC did they did on their own.

Every group been foppin lately, it's over for 4th gen. Well, it's not the group's fault, and it's just K-pop not trendy as anymore. What a subpar summer it's been.

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Every group been foppin lately, it's over for 4th gen. Well, it's not the group's fault, and it's just K-pop not trendy as anymore. What a subpar summer it's been.

Not really. Aespa and Le sserafim are on upward trend. 4th gen is certainly not over, at least until 5th gen groups will pass them first in music quality(which they are clearly way behind), and then in other metrics(streams, sales, charts)

(G)I-dle is one of my favorite groups (and my favorite one of 4th gen by far) but their last comeback was just so bad on every aspect (music, bsides, concept...) that I hope it doesn't do well so they come back with something better and more creative next time.

I'll just add my personal view as a casual listener. I was honestly surprised they already had another comeback. Especially because Super Lady promotions were cut short due to illness.

But also, I wasn't over Fate yet and that happens to me with a lot of groups: I still enjoy listening to the previous cb and am not "ready" for a new one.

So even though I like Klaxon, I will take my time to check it out properly as I don't feel like moving on yet.

I felt the same when Seventeen followed up after Super and SKZ after S-Class. Coming back too soon after a hit, for me, means I will neglect the new comeback.

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I couldn't believe my ears when they sang: honk honk hit the klaxon, soyeon can't be for real, we are accustomed to cringe lyrics on kpop but this one feels so off

Not every song can be Bob Dylan-esque Nobel Prize winning lyrical masterpiece(I believe Dylan himself wrote some clunkers <possibly?>)

For a contemporary kpop song, in Soyeon's non native language, I can accept Klaxon as an attempt at a summer bop. Whether it's a clunker or not, ... ahh the lyrics don't make sense to me but hey, it's popping up on lots of youtube shorts in my timeline rn. Maybe just let it be if you can't accept it. Lots of non kpop lyrics sound more cringe (or just as much) AND were far more successful-eg Wannabe by Spice Girls for one.

Please cringe level has also its limits. It was their cringiest song. If song was decent I would’ve forgive that, but this song is worse than baby monster’s songs. I feel like kindergarteners would have that hong hong hong motto

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Not every song can be Bob Dylan-esque Nobel Prize winning lyrical masterpiece(I believe Dylan himself wrote some clunkers <possibly?>)

For a contemporary kpop song, in Soyeon's non native language, I can accept Klaxon as an attempt at a summer bop. Whether it's a clunker or not, ... ahh the lyrics don't make sense to me but hey, it's popping up on lots of youtube shorts in my timeline rn. Maybe just let it be if you can't accept it. Lots of non kpop lyrics sound more cringe (or just as much) AND were far more successful-eg Wannabe by Spice Girls for one.

These would be the typical spotify numbers of a flop CB without a legion of company stans propping you up, just saying.

People forget they're from Cube, they can't brute force a song into being a hit. See CLC, Pentagon, Lightsum, and even their new BG.

Why is everyone shocked when non Big 4 girl groups flop on Spotify? Their international following is always tiny, so unless the song goes verifiably viral like Cupid, it will just disappear. They're not getting their fans to zombie stream or the company to budget for payola.

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I been saying dis the whole year, in terms of relevancy they’re closer to Itzy than to aespa or LSF, the Gidle glaze has been insane on AKP

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RE: So should we update the top 5 4gen GG or is it the same ranking?

Some of y’all are just glorifying Gidle atp without an ounce of objectivity. Even Gidle themselves wouldn’t admit they’re anywhere near the top 3

Adelaidestevsn

Jun 5th 2024

Fandom aside, they're way above Itzy and LSF. JYP and HYBE stans will token support those other groups.

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Fandom aside, they're way above Itzy and LSF. JYP and HYBE stans will token support those other groups.

Looks like fromis-9 and Nmixx doesn’t have those token stans. Token stans have left itzy after they flopped with sneakers, and Le sserafim after coachella disaster. So try again

Now you're coming after my faves?

Yama-Chan I am with you now buddy, lets finish this heretic

I don’t usually like Gidle music anyways but this has to be their worse title track yet i was seriously surprised I’m sure if they released better music more people will listen!