How come Aespa have suddenly turned into a PAK monster with Supernova?

song is that good

Thanks to mhj releasing those chats of bang pd wanting to step on aespa

there are many factor:

1. good song

2. mjh release leak chat with bang pd

3. hybe trying to sabotage njs comeback despite giving how sweet more playlisting than any gen 4 gg on spotify.

Drama was a just above average song. Supernova song is a good song.

MHJ already released all their very good stockpiled songs collected by Hybe for them before their debut. Yes they were going to be Hybe first 100% gg, before Ive debuted.

So it was Aespa with a good song vs MHJ & friends with a good song, and Aespa won, showing that their fanbase in Korea is bigger.

Personally ive been waiting a LONG time for aespa to release a song I actually liked, and I doubt im alone in this. Big well known group release good song results in PAKs. Also Karina

it's not even weird. this is their second PAK. they also have strong and active fanbase in korea and international even with many scandals happened before (i.e.: karina's dating).

all members are likeable. this year they start their solo promotions, all members are already everywhere promoting Aespa.

these are some of Giselle's solo promotions. a supposed to be the most hated member in Aespa has many activities in a month.

Didn't RV and ty pak too?

It's not common for sm artist bc they have more male groups and those are lead by fandom

But the groups that have public recognition have pak

public sympathy after Bang PD put a hit out on the group.

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public sympathy after Bang PD put a hit out on the group.

For one or two days the general public might listen to the song out of sympathy, but not for 5 weeks. That is fandom and people who like the song.

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Aespa have been in a upward trajectory since Spicy

It's funny how people say Supernova is the first big hit aespa land since Next level

When Spicy almost had PAK but it was blocked on bugs by Ive I AM

And after more than a year the song is still in the top 50 of melon

It's one of the best charting 2023 song in the chart currently

People are really delusional or acting like spicy never existed help them to continue to push this narrative that aespa was flopping pre-supernova era

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Cap. Spicy was a hit, but you just admitted it was blocked by a song that was a MUCH bigger hit. It is appropriately rated.

Look at any 2023 year end chart. Circle or Melon. Pick whichever you want. And Spicy is not even a top 10 song.

It came out a full 2 months before Super Shy, which isn't even NewJeans' biggest song in Korea, and still charted below it by year end.

Stop acting like people are mindlessly downgrading aespa. Supernova is legitimately their biggest hit since Next Level. None of their other songs performed anywhere near this level.

Celebrate the victory, but stop the bullshit revisionist history about their career arc.

i don’t like people attributing the success of this song to that fat man.

it’s because supernova is an amazing song, one of the best released this year.

the song quality and catchiness, performance, visuals etc are top tier.

1. Supernova is catchy

2. Aespa did that before even with Savage that is less gp friendly than Supernova. Besides Next Level that is one of the biggest 4th gen hits.

We have just witnessed a once in every couple of years event.

Aespa beat NJ one on one. Just like when Twice defeated GFriend, from that point onwards, Twice climbed and the reverse happened for GFriend. Already MHJ's follow-up release is not as successful.

Being the #1 group has huge advantages, and Aespa will get a lot more support now from the many casuals that follow the trends.

- good promo (bsh/mhj drama + album rollout)

- very good tts (very important!)

- quality and talented group

- strong identity

- pretty and viral members

etc...

Navis and Shaman are joining their power

that aside, Supernova is fresh and unique and clearly experimental song. it has addictive part (ah oh ay) that stuck in your head. Armageddon does not.

It is because the Supernova by Aespa issa different song! and people do like different stuff now.

aespa doesn't use easy listening sound as their title in the first place. So there's likes and dislikes. That why they can't always have PAK unless the song is crazy addictive (there are many parts that the public found interesting in a song) . Savage PAKs it's because the snowball result of Next Level huge success that's why its short lived PAK.

why Supernova turned into a PAK Monster? because Supernova is like Next Level. There are many parts in the song that the public found addictive:

- Body Bang

- Nova

-Can't Stop Hyperstellar

- SU SU SU Supernova

- Ay Oh Ay 89089080x

etc

also it's released during Summer , aespa is popular, has good reputation and has big fandom. Right season, right song, right time. Perfect. The stars are aligned basically.

Supernova is their most public friendly title they've ever released. Most of their titles are not exactly easy listening.

Song choice and genre will always have an impact on charting and they've always had one of the strongest core fandoms for a girl group.

Girls is their lowest charting title and it still peaked at #8 on Melon iirc, and was also during the period where they got the most hate. People want to call it their flop era, but every group outside of the top 6-8 groups would probably love to flop like that.

Also, their promo has always been short. Girls and Armageddon I think they only did one week of music shows then moved on to other things.

With the Armageddon double title, IMO it's given some extra legs to Supernova.

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4 songs in the last 6 years to get paks doesn't seem that bad. Pretty on par for a big company

before Supernova release:

SM entertainment songs with the most Perfect All Kill (PAK):

1.Red Velvet — Power Up (10)

2.Taeyeon — INVU (9)
3.aespa — Savage (4)

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Yeah but taking into account they were blocked until 2018, that's not that bad

In the same time frame: Jype: 1, YG: 4. I think Hybe has 7 but I'm not sure

I think its bad for the records since it was short lived

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Thanks to mhj releasing those chats of bang pd wanting to step on aespa

srsly, she should be getting royalties from Armageddon atp

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song is that good

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Thanks to mhj releasing those chats of bang pd wanting to step on aespa

The answer is a combination of these two by the way.

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The answer is a combination of these two by the way.

My answer is the bigger part in that combination

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My answer is the bigger part in that combination

Nah, even i disagree with that. Supernova was a mega bop that just needed the right amount of promo to make it blow. And it's exactly what happened.

That amount was quite essential tho i do agree. It's like quality without good promo and vice versa are generally never enough, but when you add the two THEN it blows.

I think if it wasn't that good, it would have never become that huge.

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Nah, even i disagree with that. Supernova was a mega bop that just needed the right amount of promo to make it blow. And it's exactly what happened.

That amount was quite essential tho i do agree. It's like quality without good promo and vice versa are generally never enough, but when you add the two THEN it blows.

I think if it wasn't that good, it would have never become that huge.

I still haven't listened it even once, maybe i should give that song a listen to see if its actually that good

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I still haven't listened it even once, maybe i should give that song a listen to see if its actually that good

Depends on your taste but on kpop scale it's a certified bop .

Bang PD must be seething lmao

I have yet to check out the songs :') I have only seen teasers images (which look great) and bits and pieces from dance challenge

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Depends on your taste but on kpop scale it's a certified bop .

I feel like the "kpop" sound has been going downhill post Bigbang & 2NE1 - there's too much noise and rehashed samples nowadays, thank god NewJeans exist

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srsly, she should be getting royalties from Armageddon atp

Why Armageddon and not Supernova ?

PAK and nevermind PAK hours is pretty much down to timing and luck depending on chart competition and releases. Of course you need a song that can sweep the charts to begin with, but a number of more or less random factors decides if it will get PAK and especially how many hours it will rack up.

PAK hours as a measure of comparision is also pretty much meaningless because of this and because of the fact how easy/hard it is to get have changed a number of times over the years. SM artists for example was banned from one of the included charts and could therefore not get PAK at all for first five years.

In the last years its actually become overall harder to get a PAK, but its much easier to get alot of hours once a song actually manages it. It used to be that getting over 10 hours of pak was an extreme rarity, just getting more than one hour was impressive. These days most songs that get PAK will do at least 100+hours .

In the first ten years of its existance (2010-2019), two or three songs in total got over 100 pak hours. Looking at the top 10 of most hours today, and every single song on it got their paks in 2020-2024

These days after the inclusion of youtube weekly (all other charts are daily) on instiz 2-3 years ago, the timing is even more important and with a few exceptions, its now extremly hard for any non idol artist to get PAK if they also dont have a flashy music video to go with the song.

Supernova could likely have challenged the top song when it comes to hours, but it was blocked by other new releases on youtube chart in the first few weeks.

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Why Armageddon and not Supernova ?

album is called Armageddon

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album is called Armageddon

Oh I didn't know...

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In the first ten years of its existance (2010-2019), two or three songs in total got over 100 pak hours. Looking at the top 10 of most hours today, and every single song on it got their paks in 2020-2024

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Supernova enters top10 songs with most paks.

The fact that every song listed here achieved their PAKs within the last four years is very telling (iChart was launched in 2010).