both NJs and LS are popular in Japan so it isnt that surprising.

Haven't LSFM and NJ done really well in Japan this year.. ? IVE was there last year when Love Dive did super well. LSFM Japan sales are also very high, almost reaching IZ*ONE numbers.

I don't think it has anything to do with HYBE

but LSF and IVE already performed in NHK last year though?

What? Money and power can buy achievements? That was something new. SME will be suprised to hear the news.

But I can agree it can be a bit annoying that the groups from the bigger companies always get benefits, even if some of my own favorite groups are from "bigger" companies. Groups like NewJeans, ITZY and Aespa would probably be nothing if they was from some smaller companies.

What is Kohaku ?

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Sakura herself who have been an idol in Japan for so many years before IZ*ONE/LSFM is enough

I think Sakura may have been on NHK way more than any KR acts lol

If you look at their wikis for results this year, all deserved a place, even surprisingly to me Niziu.

It is an end of year show in Japan with a viewership of about 35 million Japanese. The Korean one has about 2 million Korean viewers. Thats why some people are a bit salty.

btw Dives may or may not concur. imo Ive has decided not to push hard in Japan now. They didn't go to any end of year Japan events, and its really tough to even get on any Japan show normally. Not sure if they were able to get on any shows in June 2023 for their most recent Japanese album or not.

Do Twice fans all read from the same cue sheet

Calling it Kohaku is very disrespectful

Please call it NHK Kōhaku Uta Gassen or even more preferably, NHK紅白歌合戦.

Thank you.

Seems your topic fell flat, OP.

Especially Le Sserafim: freaking Sakura is in it.

Wonder what she has accomplished in Japan to deserve this /s

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But I can agree it can be a bit annoying that the groups from the bigger companies always get benefits, even if some of my own favorite groups are from "bigger" companies. Groups like NewJeans, ITZY and Aespa would probably be nothing if they was from some smaller companies.

What is Kohaku ?

So you don't know what this is about?

As others point out, these groups have good reasons to be there.

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Calling it Kohaku is very disrespectful

Please call it NHK Kōhaku Uta Gassen or even more preferably, NHK紅白歌合戦.

Thank you.

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Kohaku

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Kohaku

I expect disrespect from you, for you are TheBadGuy

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Lmfao some of the same people, especially armys here, who've been complaining about SM groups getting preferential treatment on year end shows are suddenly finding this okay

Disappointed but not surprised as hypocrisy is essential part of Kpop fandom.

I don't complain about that, so I am sorry that your attempt at 'showing hypocrisy' doesn't work.

As you can see, it's not just ARMY setting you straight about there being good arguments for them being there.

Gives sore loser vibes to now change the conversation as your first point doesn't get traction

Stream this bop:

I agree.... not with this specific claim but about HYBE payola... it has taken out the fun... fandom rivalry about achievements mean nothing now...

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Funny I didn't mention names yet you found yourself relating to that

There have been a lot of Kpop sensations over the years who didn't get to perform at Kuhaku despite making waves around the world, so nah, that's not a good argument.

You named Army. There were not that many Army replying in this thread.

Passive-aggressive to then act as if it's weird I respond

Twice has for long been my favorite girl group, but you are making Once look bad.

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I agree.... not with this specific claim but about HYBE payola... it has taken out the fun... fandom rivalry about achievements mean nothing now...

Payola is about people paying radio to play their songs.

What does this got to do with it?

Seems you don't even know what the word means.

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Seems your topic fell flat, OP.

Especially Le Sserafim: freaking Sakura is in it.

Wonder what she has accomplished in Japan to deserve this /s

So you don't know what this is about?

As others point out, these groups have good reasons to be there.

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I did not really say anything at all of who is in that show, I just said it's common groups from bigger companies gets benefits. And 2023 have been a bit slow year for girlgroup, so if they need to have a korean girlgroup at the show I guess NJ is okay for a change....

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I did not really say anything at all of who is in that show, I just said it's common groups from bigger companies gets benefits. And 2023 have been a bit slow year for girlgroup, so if they need to have a korean girlgroup at the show I guess NJ is okay for a change....

Okay

Happy New Year

Have my nugu Bangtan Boys ever attended this event? Have Hybe ever sent their makers to this?

I am genuinely curious, someone send me vids of it if they have.

I don't know why It's so hard to acknowledge NewJeans and LE SSERAFIM were genuinely invited when they were rookies who managed to have a big year in Japan's market, pretty much like IVE was invited last year for the same reason and they aren't even from HYBE.

Kohaku's viewship has been decreasing over the past years and they've been more inclined to want to cater the younger audience who has been abandoning TV. And If K-pop is what is popular with them nowdays, It's the way to go.

i mean they were the highest kpop gg sales in japan this year

(not including misamo) also keep in mind the above was in september so the rankings might have changed for some acts. however, there rly isnt any gg other than misamo that released anyhting big big in japan

and

hybe didn't buy anything lol. fans do all that at least for bts. the worst thing a hybe can do is give playlists to new jeans and try hard to hit txt and ssera at festivals only to fail to chart there.

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Have my nugu Bangtan Boys ever attended this event? Have Hybe ever sent their makers to this?

I am genuinely curious, someone send me vids of it if they have.

NHK invited them while they were on their European tour in October 2018 but when later that year there was a controversial Supreme Court ruling in Korea about Japanese war repayments it got cancelled. And there was another factor as well which doesn't need to be mentioned.

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Have my nugu Bangtan Boys ever attended this event? Have Hybe ever sent their makers to this?

I am genuinely curious, someone send me vids of it if they have.

They haven't, but there is a reason. They weren't inviting any K-pop boygroups since TVXQ in 2012 and Johnny's groups were dominating all the spots they could've had.

But recently a big scandal involving Johnny's blew up and their groups were banned from Kohaku. As a consequence, gates were open for current popular K-pop boygroups to get a spot instead.

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Have my nugu Bangtan Boys ever attended this event? Have Hybe ever sent their makers to this?

I am genuinely curious, someone send me vids of it if they have.

NOPE.

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NOPE.

Hmmm...interesting, so the Hybe privilege does not extend to the creators of that privilege

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They haven't, but there is a reason. They weren't inviting any K-pop boygroups since TVXQ in 2012 and Johnny's groups were dominating all the spots they could've had.

But recently a big scandal involving Johnny's blew up and their groups were banned from Kohaku. As a consequence, gates were open for current popular K-pop boygroups to get a spot instead.

Hmmm...do they always disclose those who they invited even if a group declined? Cause I doubt BTS was even gonna go if they got an invite, post 2020...

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NHK invited them while they were on their European tour in October 2018 but when later that year there was a controversial Supreme Court ruling in Korea about Japanese war repayments it got cancelled. And there was another factor as well which doesn't need to be mentioned.

They tried again in 2021 because they knew the boys were about to enlist but again it didn't work out.

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NHK invited them while they were on their European tour in October 2018 but when later that year there was a controversial Supreme Court ruling in Korea about Japanese war repayments it got cancelled. And there was another factor as well which doesn't need to be mentioned.

Thought as much, BTS not getting an invite seems unlikely, so there have been extraneous factors behind them not attending.

Newjeans had two of the biggest kpop songs in Japan this year. They even got nominated for grand prix at the 65th Japan record awards, being the first foreign song (Ditto) to get nominated. They 100% deserved their spot, same for Le sserafim

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They tried again in 2021 because they knew the boys were about to enlist but again it didn't work out.

Really? That seems difficut to me considering that was still during covid. 2019 would have been an option as well I guess but they went to NY then. With MBC now on good terms with hybe again I imagine it will be a battle between the 3 for who gets BTS in the future lol

And I think NHK gassen getting more kpop acts involved is just very similar to what US award shows are doing. Try everything to save their ratings. One of the rare times I would recommend reading an akp article but it sums it up pretty well:

NHK turns to K-pop artists to revive 'Kōhaku Uta Gassen - Red and White Song Battle' Ratings

The most important annual show in Japan, the acclaimed NHK year-end program, 'Kōhaku Uta Gassen,' or the 'Red and White Song Battle,'&nb…

www.allkpop.com

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Thought as much, BTS not getting an invite seems unlikely, so there have been extraneous factors behind them not attending.

They denied "it" being the reason but who knows. I guess it was for the better considering how they were getting dragged that time.

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Hmmm...do they always disclose those who they invited even if a group declined? Cause I doubt BTS was even gonna go if they got an invite, post 2020...

When the artists decline after their name is announced, It's reported they declined to participate and often the reason why (to avoid huge backlash, since It's a honor from japanese citizens' perspective), It has happened some times. But If It's done previously behind the scenes, I haven't seen a case yet.

So there's possibility BTS was invited in some year, couldn't go and we just didn't know, specially since they reached a popularity comparable to japanese acts. (If they did, what I say still explain the lack of other boygroups before lol)