i didnt know RAIN was hated ?? (Black Ocean in KCON LA)

Yeah, I knew fans of that group hated him for mismanage.

They're pretty vocal about it.

hated rain since mblaq days, he makes groups/companies and then abandons them like their nothing. ruining careers & lives. hes a BITCH he needs to be BANNED. he deserve no applause, nothing idfk why they invited his ass

I can't with the qrts..

They don't really like Rain..

I can still see lights so I don't think they did black ocean.

Rain still got paid and still a legend. Next.

who knew ciipher had so many fans in LA

Wait, he made a group and he fail to make them succesfull. And people hate him for that?

So he couldn't make the group a success and the fans blame him for not halting his career to sink more of his time, effort and money into a group that their fans don't even stream or buy their albums for?

The group failed, Rain not going down with the ship isn't something to hate him for.

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Wait, he made a group and he fail to make them succesfull. And people hate him for that?

Well. Yes. And it's mostly because he is pushing his own career more than the group he created. If you're gonna push yourself more... just don't produce a kpop group?

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So he couldn't make the group a success and the fans blame him for not halting his career to sink more of his time, effort and money into a group that their fans don't even stream or buy their albums for?

The group failed, Rain not going down with the ship isn't something to hate him for.

he has done this more than one time tho. so why does he keep making groups if he's not gonna do shit w/ them. isnt that pathetic? to keep making groups and then ditching them? these are peoples careers and lives he's just toying around with like they're just his projects he gives up on immediately.

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Wait, he made a group and he fail to make them succesfull. And people hate him for that?

Apparently, there is more to it than that.

There was some inter-fandom coordination into it as well

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He has failed to properly promote, and take care of 3 groups now. THREE. It's not because he didn't make them successful it's because he fucking sucks, didn't promote them, doesn't do shit with them and has done nothing with ciipher in over a year. he's not a saint at all.

dang! I know about MBLAQ but I didn’t know he was on his 3rd boy group. Kids need to stop signing up with him

It could be for many reasons but I believe it’s these three reasons. First, 4th gen stans don’t know this man. Rain is washed up and is manly known in Asia. Outside of Asia no one is checking for him like that.

The other two is he’s been going viral recently for having bad breath and for also treating his groups like pets and then throwing them away after they flop. He has done this not once but numerous times. It’s the same with him starting his own company lol. This man starts something then runs away after. If you know his history before Ciipher you can understand the outrage.

Like look at this lmao.C2703E1E-DD02-4D2B-BF4A-764D4CB635DB.jpeg

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He has failed to properly promote, and take care of 3 groups now. THREE. It's not because he didn't make them successful it's because he fucking sucks, didn't promote them, doesn't do shit with them and has done nothing with ciipher in over a year. he's not a saint at all.

first he said this shit

Rain preparing to hand over ownership of boy group Ciipher to another agency | allkpop

then changed his damn mind

Rain Denies Reports Of His Stepping Down From CEO Role + Transferring Ciipher To Another Agency |

now ciipher is pretty much done

Ciipher Fans Demand Transparency, Cite Band's Alleged Mistreatment by Rain Company | allkpop

Tan, Tag, Dohwan & Won officially leave Ciipher | allkpop

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He's a selfish p.o.s even put his wife in their debut mv...like what?

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His wife is one of the most popular visuals and actresses of all time in SK. That’s not selfish as I can assure you she does not need anything from this random kpop group. He would have done it to get more eyes on them and their MV

deserved after mismanaging THREE BOY GROUPS....like how do you f up so bad? you think he'd give it a rest after the second one but noo he just keep going.

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he has done this more than one time tho. so why does he keep making groups if he's not gonna do shit w/ them. isnt that pathetic? to keep making groups and then ditching them? these are peoples careers and lives he's just toying around with like they're just his projects he gives up on immediately.

How is he toying around? If they've ended up in Rains company they aren't having their careers messed with, these are likely idols who weren't wanted by the majority of major labels.

He's giving them a small chance, sure he's incompetent and has no real idea how to bring a group to market long term, but what do they want? To keep beating a dead horse for c tier idosl that can't attract fans?

Weird. Maybe if half the people in that venue bought ciipher’s albums then maybe he wouldn’t have abandoned them lolol.

people need to get the eff off

He treats the groups he makes as toys

It's not even that they are all unsuccessful with 0 potentials, it's just that as soon as he is tired of them they get the boot.

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people need to get the eff off

He treats the groups he makes as toys

It's not even that they are all unsuccessful with 0 potentials, it's just that as soon as he is tired of them they get the boot.

So does 99% of kpop. But you don’t see anyone in here bitching about the fact the 30+ groups that debut every year flop and never to be seen again the following year.

Everyone mentions the three groups under his company (rightfully so) but I'd also like to bring up his failure with the groups on The Unit. When that show started he was acting like HE was the one being so generous to single-handedly give these contestants a second chance. "The only reason these talented contestants haven't made it are because of their company; atfer this competition they'll get the promotions they deserve." Well after the show ended, Rain didn't advertise them AT ALL. Not even an instagram post talking about their debut. And all the groups did was debut, make one comeback, then disband. Just gave these poor desperate people false hope.

The only time he mentioned the unit ever again was when Brave Girls went viral so he could act like he did something and use them for clout

So we can add Uni.T and UNB to his list of failed groups.

Fake outrage to hate Rain over random nugu group whose fans can be counted with one hand. Next

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Fake outrage to hate Rain over random nugu group whose fans can be counted with one hand. Next

None of them supported ciipher so yeah. Fake outrage by international fans. Where was this support for his flop groups when they actually debuted? He was actually posting dance challenges to their songs but ya they flopped. Rain moved on. Big woop.

And you can easily look at fancams where people were actually cheering him on during his performance.

Someone posted in here a tweet asking why he’s always shirtless? Maybe because he has a nice ass body with actual muscles. Guess they’re so use to seeing twinks showing off their nonexistent muscles. Blah blah.

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yep ciipher is his third bg at first we thought he learned his lesson he was really hyping them up, getting them on immortal songs with him etc. then their debut hit and he gave htem such outdated songs...mirae over shadowed them big time plus he felt the need to put his damn wife in their debut mv....which felt cringe and akward...he has members who could produce, write, arrange, compose etc. and he didn't even utilize that shit. He kept giving them songs that just didn't fit what was doing well out there...then just stopped promoting them completely..not even on any variety shows, no concerts, no appearances, silence everywhere. Keita goes on boys planet, didnt' make it but is going to be in an upcoming group formed by trainees who didn't make it...then as you saw members left ciipher...so I can't take this dude seriously. sure he can be respected for his work hes' done with his solo music but as a manager/owner he sucks. I think fans of MBLAQ and Ciipher have a right to feel the way they do.

So Rain give them Bad songs, the group dont take off and he let the group die. Mmm, so basically what happen is this: He invest in a group, he fail to make the group succesfull. He didnt want to invest more money in the group, and members leave the agency. Mmm, tbh i dont see why all the hate, he made an investment and failed. Well, that happens all the time. Yes, he sucks making groups, but i dont see why people should hate him as solo artist.
Btw, your complain about the wife is weird.

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So does 99% of kpop. But you don’t see anyone in here bitching about the fact the 30+ groups that debut every year flop and never to be seen again the following year.

if LSM or YG was to perform he would get black ocean too

so no point crying over another company CEO getting the black ocean

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So Rain give them Bad songs, the group dont take off and he let the group die. Mmm, so basically what happen is this: He invest in a group, he fail to make the group succesfull. He didnt want to invest more money in the group, and members leave the agency. Mmm, tbh i dont see why all the hate, he made an investment and failed. Well, that happens all the time. Yes, he sucks making groups, but i dont see why people should hate him as solo artist.
Btw, your complain about the wife is weird.

Most of the people here don’t know Rain and Kim Tae Hee are well respected in the industry and are legends. Literal Korean icons. But cause they stan a few new kpop groups they think they know everything about the Korean industry. They’re too ignorant to really believe Kim Tae Hee needs some sort of exposure by being in a newbie group’s MV. If anything it’s the opposite.

lol, I bet most of these people have never streamed or bought a Ciipher album in their lives. K-pop fans just love to jump on the bandwagon.

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if LSM or YG was to perform he would get black ocean too

so no point crying over another company CEO getting the black ocean

Doesn’t seem like a black ocean to me. Guess ciipher’s floppage didn’t affect him very much.

No point crying over another group flopping. Kpop stans are weird. Ya’ll should put that same energy hating Rain into supporting his groups then maybe they wouldn’t have flopped and forgotten.

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lol, I bet most of these people have never streamed or bought a Ciipher album in their lives. K-pop fans just love to jump on the bandwagon.

Ciipher is more known in this forum for their floppage after the facf. Kpop stans act like they like to support every kpop group when in reality most can’t be bothered outside of the top 10 or top 5 for that matter.

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How is he toying around? If they've ended up in Rains company they aren't having their careers messed with, these are likely idols who weren't wanted by the majority of major labels.

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To keep beating a dead horse for c tier idosl that can't attract fans?

imaging saying this about MBLAQ

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He's giving them a small chance, sure he's incompetent and has no real idea how to bring a group to market long term, but what do they want? To keep beating a dead horse for c tier idosl that can't attract fans?

i would like to know if he's given them a chance at all, you cant beat a dead horse if you were never in the same room with it in the first place. i dont know ciipher and idk how he treated them but i know MBLAQ & MADTOWN. its majorly frustrating not just because he gave up but because he didnt try at all. this is like just giving him the OK to do it all again with how much ya'll are okay with this........

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Everyone mentions the three groups under his company (rightfully so) but I'd also like to bring up his failure with the groups on The Unit. When that show started he was acting like HE was the one being so generous to single-handedly give these contestants a second chance. "The only reason these talented contestants haven't made it are because of their company; atfer this competition they'll get the promotions they deserve." Well after the show ended, Rain didn't advertise them AT ALL. Not even an instagram post talking about their debut. And all the groups did was debut, make one comeback, then disband. Just gave these poor desperate people false hope.

The only time he mentioned the unit ever again was when Brave Girls went viral so he could act like he did something and use them for clout

So we can add Uni.T and UNB to his list of failed groups.

i honestly forgot how big of a part he played on that show bc of how much nothing he did especially with two contestants (daewon & geon) are on that show because of the failure of their company that was started by RAIN. like damn sir i wonder how they got here :||| i was so pissed off when i was watching in real time rip.

&& i didnt know about that braves girls bit mention omg this man is crazy

People are like "Ciipher had no fans anyways, so it's fake outrage" You don't need to be a fan to be annoyed by blatant mistreatment and mismanagement.