New Jeans well on their way to replacing Blackpink as the Global Girl Group while Ive replaces Twice as the Nation's Girl Group.

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Where's that perma ban I asked for Ves???

Disagree. NewJeans is behaving like a global phenonom comparable to BP indeed but they're also behaving like SNSD the real national gg which Twice never actually was.

Their impact is beyond music and the gp seems to have a special attachement towards them.

Firstly because they have mega hit songs but also because the group is very likeable and natural and makes the koreans proud of their global achievements. And just like SNSD they're everywhere. Litteraly.

Also at their time SNSD was a pretty global phenonom specially in Asia. So in this regard, NJ reminds me more of SNSD rather than BP, but a SNSD which would have debuted in the 4th gen after the huge impact BP had in the 3rd gen, so BPified. (the luxury brand deals, the festivals, the BB ranking etc).

(On a side note, NJ styling and visual vise also reminds me of F(x).)

I actually see it more as snsd vs 2ne1

Ive are versatile and have gp on their hands every member is very popular, while nj have an edge internationally and more of a somewhat predictable image and sound, just like 2ne1

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Disagree. NewJeans is behaving like a global phenonom comparable to BP indeed but they're also behaving like SNSD the real national gg which Twice never actually was.

Their impact is beyond music and the gp seems to have a special attachement towards them.

Firstly because they have mega hit songs but also because the group is very likeable and natural and makes the koreans proud of their global achievements. And just like SNSD they're everywhere. Litteraly.

Also at their time SNSD was a pretty global phenonom specially in Asia. So in this regard, NJ reminds me more of SNSD rather than BP, but a SNSD which would have debuted in the 4th gen after the huge impact BP had in the 3rd gen, so BPified. (the luxury brand deals, the festivals, the BB ranking etc).

(On a side note, NJ styling and visual vise also reminds me of F(x).)

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Every ive song have bigger digital peaks in korea than nj, and ive members are much more popular there as well. It looks like youre so focused on nj you havent noticed how crazy both kids, teens,adults and elder ppl are about ive in sk.

R.I.P and Twice and BP. The GG with the superior music has taken your place

Although Touchdown will forever be one of the best GG bsides

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I actually see it more as snsd vs 2ne1

Ive are versatile and have gp on their hands every member is very popular, while nj have an edge internationally and more of a somewhat predictable image and sound, just like 2ne1

I think you're right about the fact that styling wise and music wise Ive is more like SNSD (post 2010) if that's what you partly meant. But i don't think they have a third of the impact SNSD had. A owerwhelming dominance in most fields that went way beyond music and a sort of real gp mania that turned the girls into stars.

Actually NJ is the group that behaves the most like that. And Ive on the other hand is behaving more like Twice. Very trendy pretty girls with catchy music but nothing much more. I could be wrong tho.

you can always dream but if I were you I would change your username

Honestly, Twice was only bigger in Korea than Blackpink until 2017, since 2018 Blackpink has outcharting them. Comparing their digital performance since 2020 is... like, two different levels enterily

Blackpink is soon scheduling their dates on Gocheok Sky Dome, while Twice couldn't even fill a single date in KSPO Arena. This will be the last nail in coffin to anyone who truly believes Twice is somehow bigger than BP in Korea just because they released more hits 7 years ago

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I think you're right about the fact that styling wise and music wise Ive is more like SNSD (post 2010) if that's what you partly meant. But i don't think they have a third of the impact SNSD had. A owerwhelming dominance in most fields that went way beyond music and a sort of real gp mania that turned the girls into stars.

Actually NJ is the group that behaves the most like that. And Ive on the other hand is behaving more like Twice. Very trendy pretty girls with catchy music but nothing much more. I could be wrong tho.

Yeah but this is all based on me thinks. You clearly dont know how much popular Ive is in SK so I see no point in arguing cause im past the points of looking for receipts to ppl who already made their mind on the subject.

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Every ive song have bigger digital peaks in korea than nj, and ive members are much more popular there as well. It looks like youre so focused on nj you havent noticed how crazy both kids, teens,adults and elder ppl are about ive in sk.

NJ has the biggest 4th gen hit. No comparaison, just like Gee. While Ives LD is more comparable to Cheer up. NJs impact transcends music, their dominance is almost total (except peak uls). But so what, 2ne1 also had crazy digital impact but their cultural impact and overal influence were nowhere near. Just like Ive. (Look at the major cfs and brand deals they get, from mcd to coca to apple etc).

The only reason some of the members (aka Won and Yujin) are somewhat more popular right now is only because NJ is only and year old grpup while they actually debuted years ago and have already build a name (specially Won).

So in conclusion, overall NJ is actually more behaving like SNSD while Ive like 2ne1/Twice.

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Honestly, Twice was only bigger in Korea than Blackpink until 2017, since 2018 Blackpink has outcharting them. Comparing their digital performance since 2020 is... like, two different levels enterily

Blackpink is soon scheduling their dates on Gocheok Sky Dome, while Twice couldn't even fill a single date in KSPO Arena. This will be the last nail in coffin to anyone who truly believes Twice is somehow bigger than BP in Korea just because they released more hits 7 years ago

No BP got bigger in 2019 and even during that time there were some debates about it.

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NJ has the biggest 4th gen hit. No comparaison, just lien Gee. Their impact transcends music, their dominance is almost total (except peak uls). But so what, 2ne1 also had crazy digital impact but their cultural impact and overal influence were nowhere near. Just like Ive.

The only reason some of the members (aka Won and Yujin) are possibly more popular is only because they actually debuted years ago and have already build a name (specially Won).

So in conclusion, overall NJ is actually more behaving like SNSD while Ive like 2ne1/Twice.

Its very brave of u to say that when supershy havent even reached kitsch uls peak let alone i am

Whatever u say... I'm just waiting for ive's cb in october

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Yeah but this is all based on me thinks. You clearly dont know how much popular Ive is in SK so I see no point in arguing cause im past the points of looking for receipts to ppl who already made their mind on the subject.

I know they are very popular, but Twice specially during and post Cheer up were also very popular and trendy with the gp. Kids knew their songs etc. Having such impact is aleady expetional.

But that doesn’t mean that it the same sort of impact that SNSD had. And i think NJs impact right now is the most similar to that and i think its just the beginning.

I would say the similaires between Nj and BP Is that both debuted with multiple singles and they have the biggest debuts of their generations. Also ador got inspired by them the girls are pushed individually.

IVE and Twice got their biggest hits in Korea with the first cb, and the rest of their hits just solidified their status in Korea. Also both don’t promote their b-sides lol.

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I know they are very popular, but Twice specially during and post Cheer up were also very popular and trendy with the gp. Kids knew their songs etc. Having such impact is aleady expetional. But that doesn’t mean that it the same sort of impact that SNSD had. And i think NJs impact right now is the most similar to that and i think its just the start yet.

like i said... Me thinks.

I dont really care. I dont have a crystal ball like you. This is all talk. I just want Ive to cb soon

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No BP got bigger in 2019 and even during that time there were some debates about it.

Humm, D4 was bigger hit than anything Twice put out after 2016, and they also released Foreger Young which was a hit in pair with Twice's 2018 releases. BP was really hot in 2018, as we could see for the explosive release of Jennie's solo.

But anyway, 2018 or 2019, it's clear how in 2020 both groups were in completely different levels of popularity and this gap only became wider and wider within time. Can you see Blackpink charting 32, 20 and 94 like Twice last 3 singles? I honestly can't, for me Blackpink is like Bigbang they will hardly flop, will always have some kind of cult following to at least put their major releases in the top 10. This kind of recognition is VERY uncommon for idols and Twice definitely don't have it. That's why I think this whole debate is a bit outdated, Blackpink is the biggest 3rd gen GG in Korea

Edit: Maybe if Twice go on hiatus for like 4-5 years they can comeback with a hit based on nostalgia. It works sometimes, but it will need proper marketing

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Honestly, Twice was only bigger in Korea than Blackpink until 2017, since 2018 Blackpink has outcharting them. Comparing their digital performance since 2020 is... like, two different levels enterily

Blackpink is soon scheduling their dates on Gocheok Sky Dome, while Twice couldn't even fill a single date in KSPO Arena. This will be the last nail in coffin to anyone who truly believes Twice is somehow bigger than BP in Korea just because they released more hits 7 years ago

Exactly, i think in korea Twice and Red Velvet were more loved by the gp than BP ever was. It's only post 2019/20 when these two major groups light kinda died down and with BP exeptional global sucess that gp started to like BP more. But never at the level Twice and RV at their pyke were. Its like 2ne1 somehow, big influence in music but not much gp attachement to the group unlike SNSD and NJ.

So it’s kinda wrong to compare NJ with BP regarding their impact on the gp and theit cultural influence in korea. It's more comparable to groups like SNSD/Twice/ even RV.

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Folks constantly underestimate Ive in Korea.

They dont follow Ive so it makes sense they dont know how big Ive is there. But I know every member is very well known by elders, athletes, business people, students and in particular the children is absolutely crazy for them and their music bc I've seen all the videos and pictures that appear on my tl from korean twitter of these people dancing and talking about them.

I get that nonfans may not know about that but thats exactly why they shouldnt speak on the issue like they know if they dont know enough.

These children will grow up and remember Ive as part of their childhood and that's not impact? Make it make sense.

The globe in question:

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Meanwhile, NJ brand of minimalist RnB is setting off their own cultural reset, with groups like Aespa, NMIXX, Twice all changing their sounds recently and new groups like Kiss of Life and XG being literal carbon copies.

claiming xg is literal carbon copies of kiss of life OR nj is one of your most bizarre and egregious takes so far i have to question your state of mind and sanity. Are you hallucinating again old man do you need to call a nurse in that nursing home of yours 🤡

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The bp /NJ similarities thing is absurd to me they seem like entirely different grps aura and branding wise

focusing on the fact that they have foreign members, have fashion deals etc as similarities is so nonsensical but u do u

Imho, The comparison only exists because NJ is the biggest group by far

If anything we can all be wrong and NJ end being the Twice (the biggest group In Korea which they are already, despite the claims of delulu Ive fans) who peaked in their first/second year at least in the bigger hits and the "true" biggest global long-lived girlgroup still yet to debut.

I wouldn't discharge new Hybe girlgroup, they will put massive money on them

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lol i've just come to accept the hard truth of life my friend.

Father Time never loses. The gods of today will eventually pass into history and legend. It is inevitable. There was a time when my faves ruled the world, now, nobody in 2023 even gives them a passing glance.

The same will happen to BP and Twice, just like it did to 2ne1 and SNSD and WG.

lol but the thing is blackpink is becoming stronger globally even than before to say that and blackpink is an anomaly and you know it blackpink always break previous records

and the battle for 4th/5h gen isn't over what makes you think that babymonster , SM girl group or hybe gg won't put up a fight it happened with previous 4th girl groups.

OP really hoping if he bleats this enough it’ll actually become true

The fact that you use the max UL argument to put Ive above NJ in SK when BP and Jennie on her own have higher peaks than Twice

New Jeans are the Nation's Girl Group as well

These probably need to be updated, but Korea very much loves NewJeans too

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*note that this ^^^ says "songs released in 2023". If it included all songs that were charting #1 in 2023, Ditto would have a jaw-dropping lead.

Let's talk about Japan, too. From a group with 0 japanese members, 0 japanese tracks:

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Footage of Ditto, in 12pm summer heat, at a rock festival that opened an hour earlier. Seated capacity ~30,000. Standing + seated: ?????

Let's circle back to Korea: 8 of the top 20 (NJ only have 12 songs), with songs spanning 12 months and 3 release periods. Their very first song, and their most recent song, bookending. They're not just the top, they're the whole pyramid too.

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apologies for the numbers spam, I just want this thread to continue with all the relevant facts on hand

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Let's circle back to Korea: 8 of the top 20 (NJ only have 12 songs), with songs spanning 12 months and 3 release periods. Their very first song, and their most recent song, bookending. They're not just the top, they're the whole pyramid too.

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apologies for the numbers spam, I just want this thread to continue with all the relevant facts on hand

I hope you and Blackpinkhouse have a happy life together. No I'm not coming to the wedding and after this post i will never speak to either one of you again.

Nah. I cant see a group who could be as big as BP. And BP is not going anywhere. So no, maybe in 5 years.

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I hope you and Blackpinkhouse have a happy life together. No I'm not coming to the wedding and after this post i will never speak to either one of you again.

sorry to say that I have rejected his proposal. but if you're ever in town, I'll still buy you the equivalent of reception dinner (confit salmon with a kimchi gratin)

NJ don't have the juice in China to replace BP on the global scale yet.

Global means the globe, not just certain countries on it.

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Dives are definitely gonna overtake blink's place as the most annoying GG fandom on here, that's for damn sure

BPH is just trolling.

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These probably need to be updated, but Korea very much loves NewJeans too

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*note that this ^^^ says "songs released in 2023". If it included all songs that were charting #1 in 2023, Ditto would have a jaw-dropping lead.

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Meanwhile, Starsh*t hoping that gidle extend their contract with Cube asap. LMAO

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I feel like I'm more concerned about that hatred in your heart than you are. You don't HAVE to view these threads that are obviously going to raise your blood pressure, yet here we are.

i can arrange a low-sodium salmon confit for him