I’m confused on how they musically don’t exist when they have several of the most successful songs in K-Pop in Korea, in Asia, in Europe, in the Americas.
Why do y’all think a group releasing a bunch of album cuts that nobody listens to makes them more musically dominant? That literally makes no sense. BP’s album cuts are consumed more than whole other groups albums combined. They have one of the strongest musical identities in K-pop to the point that we know when other groups incorporate or take their sound. It’s simply ridiculous to think they’re unremarkable and forgettable when they are globally unmatched and every 4th Gen gg states them as their idols.
rosé got more popular thanks to her solo specially in korea and china
and I dont think snowdrop did much for jisoo, she is still as popular as she was before, no more or less
Yeah, I don’t know where this person is pulling this stuff from. But Rosé’s solidly been one of the most popular female idols in Korea since her solo. She’s bagged big CFs since too.
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the fact that their songs are Entering digital charts again cause of an announcement LMAO
Also, the increase in her popularity has been crazy since in Korea. She’s like consistently in the most searched female idols with Jennie, Taeyeon, and Wonyoung and IU. She’s bagged big CF deals over there since. A lot of new idols look up to her. If anything, she doesn’t get the proper acknowledgement of how popular she is.
An OST would be really show people how popular she truly which is more than like 99% of the industry at this rate.
Teddy's name is nowhere to be found on Lee Hi's later work and she still could not get a comeback for 3 years. CL and Minzy had albums recorded and ready that never saw the light of day. Most of Blackpinks stuff pre-KTL was recorded predebut but they had extended hiatuses and took 3 years just to release 9 songs. Rosé had gone ready to go back in 2018 and YG made her backtrack saying her solo was ready to "they're working on it". There's a pretty big discrepancy with the amount of comebacks, the management, the creative freedom, even the rules YG has for the female acts compared to their male acts.
Ffs look at how they give Big Banginfinite amount of chances but killed 2ne1 so quickly. Look at how they manage Lisa or how Rosé's own father was liking posts about how little they were doing for her.
Most places in the music industry respect male artists more than female. That's just a fact
For some reason, we’re suppose to believe Teddy, with experience over 20 years and way more hits than any producer in Korea, with a team of producers & writers who main job is to produce & write for others can not produce music at a faster rate than male idols in the company. Yes, you hear it from YG Boy group Stans right here! their genuine faves who recently learned to produce and write music less than 5 years ago can magically create music faster than a man with 3x the experience and several people on his producing team who write and produce as their main job. Brilliant. Geniuses. Stevie Wonder is in awe of their musical geniuses lol.
Fun Fact: Every YGE group but BLACKPINK has performed at Sketchbook. Yes, even Treasure. Just a lil fun fact if we wanted to complain about promotion too.
Realistically, the strongest girl group still remains BP because the discussion is always made to exclude them. Aespa and IVE are likely the strongest new gen but IVE is only two comebacks in and neither song are runaway smashes to really crown them. That leaves Aespa and NL/Savage doesn’t have the same status as Cheer Up & TT where it was undeniable that Twice was the new top girl group. & Tomboy is GIDLE’s first real hit. It’s the strongest so far this year, but it’s really their first. BP will comeback in the summer & we will see who is really the top now.
I don’t think they’re going to comeback within that time frame of each other.
1) iKon is May. Mino said Winner is next. He said May but knowing YG it’s likely June. So at best, BP could come end of June, early July. Which is enough space away fromBTS to not collide.
2) HYBE/YGE have a distribution deal so they likely know each other release schedule and with the amount of physicals BTS pushes + the amount of physicals BP will push. It would be a lot. They’ll probably focus fully on one when it comes to those groups.
I dont think many are but KPOP as a whole is growing so physically they might re peak.
KPOP is growing and will continue even without a certain group. Like it was growing before them.
Yeah, people have to be specific about these things cause physically peaking and digitally peaking are two different things. A lot of 2nd Gen groups sold more albums in their 5th year than their first two. Very few groups and acts repeak digitally. Most do that in their early years.
Twice, Gfriend, BLACKPINK & Mamamoo all got PAKs in one year and charted multiple songs on year end charts. Red Velvet didn’t get a PAK but had a slew of hits. Don’t forget Mamamoo and Bboom Bboom. there was also IOI and then apparently 4th Gen (Gidle and IZONE) all started in the middle of 3rd Gen (head scratch) & IZONE and Gidle all had decent size hits in 2018 as well. The competition to top the charts was way more competitive in 3rd Gen cause everyone could top it. It was unpredictable. Now only Aespa is really a 100% guaranteed chart topper. Sure, Twice was dominant but 2016 is the only year Twice had the undisputed top girl group hit of the year. Some groups are trendy, some have like one hit, and some of these are just uncertain.
I think if I would say anything it’s that SM didn’t brand them strongly. In comparison to TWICE and BP. With TWICE, Nayeon was the face of TWICE but other members played important roles as well musically and branding. Almost every member of TWICE strengths their brand musically or visually. Similarly, BP has Jennie as the face of the group but Rosé, Jisoo and Lisa all play an integral role to the group musically and visually as well. As a result, TWICE and BP gave stronger branding than RV. With RV, Irene is positioned as the center & Joy get a good push as well, but Seulgi and Wendy are the backbone of the music. It’s like a dichotomy. What is RV’s brand as whole? IMO, if SM pushed Seulgi as the center and face of RV, I think people would have understood it more. I would argue that because of this issue, SM leaned into the experimental and unpredictability that was very successful and made RV a top group above other groups with stronger imagery and brands.
Logically, I don’t think K-pop would be as international as it is now. BTS would still remain untouched, but BP’s success is reassurance. It’s not a one time fluke and that there is something there that can be replicated to success.
Girl groups in general probably wouldn’t embrace girl crush in the same manner. GC always existed, but a lot of lower girl groups were very influenced by TWICE’s bright sound in that period. Mamamoo were girl crush but not in the same area as BP/D4. They were influenced heavily by retro music.
Fashion in Kpop has definitely changed as well. A lot less uniformed looks. Every rookie group debuting with a label fashion deal. BP’s influence on girl group fashion was certainly the most since SNSD and their different iconic uniformed looks every comeback.
I don’t agree. Michael Jackson’s comeback in 2001 has several songs that are classics. You Rock My World & Butterflies still get heavy play & both still get radio play to this day.
Longevity is very important. It’s how we separate the legends and icons from the people that were just short-lived stars. Michael Jackson is more than Thriller and Bad. He has several classic songs from Jackson 5, as a solo star as a kid, from Off the Wall (his first album) & the other albums post- Bad (Black or White, Remember The Time, You Are Not Alone)
I think SVT & NCT are similar cases. They’re considered top groups because they have the sales & fanbase, but they don’t really have any memorable hit or hits amongst the GP so they won’t be considered in the upper echelons like Exo/BTSwho are always amongst previous top tier boy groups.
Actually that's a good question, I don't think anyone has the data on that
I saw one for followers on profiles and it did seem like there was a bit of a boost. But I know Melon followers and likes have been increasing a lot before international passes were allowed. Admittedly, that’s weird considering Melon is losing a lot of their dominance.
I'm surprised Maria isn't on the list, I thought it was bigger than Twit
Maria is definitely bigger. It’s just not her debut. Hwasa also has a collab that was a smash too that’s probably bigger than Twit too from 2018. Twit was still a successful debut though.
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I don’t think it really mattered. They probably didn’t want to pigeon her into ballads or uptempo only, so both were released. I guess she’ll be able to do both since OTG/Gone did well. English probably mattered more, but both did good so I’m sure when she releases a Korean OST or Korean single she’ll do well cause her popularity boosted. I always think female soloists is about debuting well & keeping it well cause I wouldn’t consider Sunmi, Hyuna or Taeyeon’s biggest songs their debut but they went on to bigger hits.
The fall is usually pretty hard when they fell off top 100 but on the ground is weirdly exhibiting some good performance lately. It could be attributed to lack of songs from bp. It entered gaon digital chart after 3 months as well. Not bad huh?
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Rosé seems to be trending a lot lately in popularity. On the Ground passed 150K likes a day or two ago.
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Actually, fun fact, Jennie - Solo & Rosé - On the Ground are officially the most liked 3rd Gen debut solo songs. Both belong to BP. They’re Followed by Twit from Hwasa.
I think it goes like Solo - 200K +, OTG - 150K +, and Twit - 130K +.
I guess we officially have successful 3rd Gen soloists.
IMO, it’s because Kpop is very calculated in their endeavors. The western industry is as calculated but the music tends to be controlled by the artist. It’s much more freedom of art to a commercial release pipeline. When kpop isn’t trying to break into a market, it happens very naturally. BTS/BP weren’t trying to make music that appealed to the west. It was inspired & palpable to the west, but it wasn’t really calculated. Even EXO/RV have tracks that gained some momentum in the west (CMB/BB) cause they were natural to them.
But a lot of companies try to appeal to the west & don’t quite hit the mark so it doesn’t work instead of letting it happen naturally.
My Ults are fromYG, but honestly I prefer SM music most of the time cause I like a lot of acts over there. I definitely just enjoy any song regardless of any company though. Soloists or groups.
