Yeah I don’t know where this is coming from about Rosé’s playlisting. It was added near 3 days later.
He was popular in the group. He’s very good looking and I’m sure he amassed a fanbase of people that liked him for these things but Nickhun is far from a popular soloist in Korea. Lisa will be more popular than him on that front with her physical sales alone and overall stats. I’m in no way trying to undermine Nickhun but it’s not like that love turned him into any solo force in Korea.
This is like being surprised that a rock didn’t float. Lisa is not Korean & tho she is well liked and known they do not have the same level of support. Also, posting Justin Bieber and white people topping Melon and what now is hilarious.
She’s charting better than most other group soloists as a foreign idol which is good enough and I doubt any other foreign idols would come close to her charting solo korean or internationally.
Pretty savage is rising again damn
At this point, it might actually hit the top 100 again.
They are statistically. Digitally, 2ne1 destroys WGs and I believe they also sold more physically. Wonder Girls had a way bigger heyday cause of Tell Me, So Hot, and Nobody basically revitalizing the girl group market and were all much bigger than any 2ne1 song. They are much more remembered in a sort of nostalgic way on top of Sunmi’s successful career. 2ne1’s digital success far outclassed Wonder Girls. However, their success never translated to their name and brand reaching all demographics outside the youth like SNSD & Wonder Girls. In name brand for Korea, they’re were about equal with WGs edging them out a bit cause of thir early success. Sunmi’s successful solo career has probably kept up the name of the WGs far better than any 2ne1 solo career though.
Once again, this becomes a case of people blindingly counting their chickens before they hatch. StayC is trending. They’re a hot commodity right now (same way with Aespa and before Brave Girls). But they haven’t shown the consistency on charts to say that. I mean they are a rookie group not even a year old. We can’t tell you anything until there’s more comebacks and more time.
people turn to “by this time [insert group] did this or [insert group] is only this long old and they’re a rookie” but there’s no guarantee any group will have the same path. Just because Red Velvet or Twice sold that much at that age or are 5 years old doesn’t mean that group will. Or their career paths will be identical. It’s best to stay and wait because then all these “what happened” questions get thrown around based off one song or hit when you probably should have waited until they shown longevity in those fields.
US success was always a thing JYP wanted. It’s not even a recent thing. This is a reoccurring story for him. Wonder Girls was his first attempt. After WGs failed, Miss A and Twice focused more on Asia. Twice’s success in Japan was great. JYP should be astonished and grateful. That’s the 2nd biggest market in the world, but BTS broke through in the US. That’s a good sign that maybe KPOP is ready to hit the US after all. THEN, BLACKPINK charts and start to gain momentum in the US. They beat Wonder Girls old records with almost zilch of the effort. (Of course, it wasn’t planned by YGE/YHS quite the opposite.) Now, it’s no longer just a failed dream. It’s possible. A kpop girl group is charting there and doing damn well. Now, everything is pointing to achieving that. TWICE doesn’t need the US but it’s extra cash flowing in (you can debate if it’s worth the decline in other markets) but it’s not just them. Stray Kidz and Itzy are obvious groups that appeal to the US market. Everything about the company these days is aiming for that success seen by BTS/BP in the US.
Not really, people can barely name summer songs like there was dolphin, nonstop, hylt, maria, the sake songs and even some OST compared to this year
It just been a mid year, 2019 teas
Summer 2020 was definitely stronger. Only summer hits that will stand out is NL and Butter this year. Everything else is pretty much there.
The charts seem really slow lately which is weird because the charts are basically like pre-24Hits and they moved fast. But there haven’t been any rush of comebacks so once that kicks into gear it should start moving .
I was scrolling through the first page and this caught my eye because of the extremely long title. I rarely enter threads that aren't about my faves but I genuinely had a question. No shade honest, but isn't this movie the only gg cinema event made? You wrote of all-time but I don't think any other gg (western or kpop) had a movie. Lots of female solos have had them (ex. Miley Cyrus) but correct me if I'm wrong.
Actually, now that you bring it up. I think the Spice Girls had a movie. But that was more of an actual movie than a movie event like this (like a concert and stuff mixed). But I don’t think any girl group off the top of my head has done this.
RV would have went top 10 regardless. Irene & Seulgi sub-unit did it with ease. Somi was already climbing the 24Hits and she doesn’t have any type of fandom to stream her that high up. She very clearly has a hit this time. She also charted on 24 Hits last time. Also, only one trot singer is benefiting. Not every trot singer, and LYW is very popular in a similar fashion to BGs. As stated before, the new system will benefit boy groups as a whole more than any others. That’s fine to admit. The charts just reverted back to how they were a in early 2020 and before.
They were right. This format is only beneficial to boy groups. Melon probably realized that their traffic benefitted their site. Other than that, it’s not really beneficial to any other act.
Most soloist hits beyond a handful rarely start off massively so the 24 hits were just the usual reflection of their trajectory. Most climbed with time. The new chart isn’t really any “exposure” to anyone but artists with massive fandom streaming.
But the charts are just the way they were before 24Hits:
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I think people overestimate how much Lisa will do solo b/c they think Rosé is far less popular. The popularity difference between the girls in the fanbase isn’t that large to that degree. BP together did 1.5M basically. It’s unlikely that Lisa will do 1M. Personally, I think she will do similar numbers. Maybe a bit more. 600K to 700K at best. You also got to take into account that Lisa doesn’t have the same power as the other 3 in Korea so she will suffer a bit there. She’ll still do great physically just not to the astonishing point of 1M like some people believe.
Display MoreAnother thing I want to say is the ability to tour in Korea >>>>>> digitals in Korea
Twice and BP are ofc much more popular than NCT or seventeen in Korea but this was never reflected in tour numbers and they toured about the same.
At least the way I’ve observed the international streams and ULs are all ‘stans’ because kpop is still niche and these are the ppl buying albums and gong to concerts.
Where as the Korean ULs consisted of a lot of casual fans who put no money into the group.
There is absolutely nothing more useless than korean charting.
The most important kpop metric is the ability to tour in Korea. If your digitals don’t give you that your digitals are useless.
So yes Korea is important. For their large tours. Not for their digitals.
If I’m not mistaken, the companies actually get a large degree of money from touring in Korea.
It’s actually CFs in Korea > Touring > Digitals, so touring isn’t necessarily the most important. It’s a stream of revenue (definitely important to show fandom buying power) but just because you tour in Korea doesn’t mean you’re more profitable. Digital reflect public opinion thus people are able to get their bread and butter from advertisements and CFs.
NCT and Seventeen possibly make more money on tour than BP/Twice but it’s unlikely they make more money than the individual members or the groups because the latter have several more avenues of revenue for themselves and their companies besides touring & physicals.
Display MoreThe thing with iKon and winner is they got insanely popular instantly just after their debut.
just for yg to send them to Japan for a year .
I'll never understand their strategy.
And iKon doing pretty good before b.i left.
I'd say their only downfall before that was 'blink blink' but that's coz of they've been on a hiatus before that
Just like winner 'EXIT:E' not doing really good despite being their best mini album in my opinion .
after a year hiatus after their debut.
And I think yg try too much to replicate 'really really' success .
To the point that after 'really really' there's no diversity in their title tracks except for 'so-so' and 'remember' I don't remember if 'fool' is a title track or not
They doing the same strategy with BP too. But thank God is doing good
WINNER: DEBUT -> hiatus I forgot what's the reason, probably a concert -> comeback with exit:e but not doing really good ->comeback with really really and it became huge. After that their doing kinda ok
Here's they kinda change the strategy a bit. By giving the a comeback not long after their debut. All single tho coz it's yg they don't want to release more song.
iKon : debut -> comeback with singles back to back -> hiatus by sending them to Japan -> comeback with blink blink and it's not doing as good as expected -> and comeback with love scenario and it became huge .
And their doing pretty good before b.i left coz iirc in aside from bts and NCT(maybe) their performance are pretty long in the award ceremony they attend that year. Like 2-3 songs.
But both Winner & iKon got their biggest hits after a hiatus ( Love Scenario & Really really) and they both released immediately after to capitalize on both songs. I mean, iKon released a bonus track, another mini ( w/ Killing Me) and then another mini at the end of the year (w/ Goodbye Road). Same with Winner they had island and a full album with the year success of RR. The public just wasn’t that interested in the groups to the same degree as BLACKPINK (who went on a year hiatus after AIIYL another group hiatus to KTL then another one over a year before HYLT now another one with LSG). Both of their debuts did well on the basis of BB Junior just as BP did. Subsequent releases that went on to success were all built on their names. iKon nor Winner were never that consistent regardless of quality. Winner more so than iKon, but neither were considered digital monsters.
Display MoreActually, just by counting the amount of singles hits u can see just how close Blackpink is with Twice in korea. Even with limited discography.
Blackpink hits: Whistle, PWF, AIIYL, FY, D4, HYLT, LSG
Twice hits: LOA, KK, Likey, TT, Cheer Up, Fancy, YOY, WIL, DNTA
Counting the fact that Twice dont do as well in bsides and Blackpink album bsides chart better, they are realistically only 1 or 2 hits away from becoming the same level in Korea.
U dont even need to give handicap to Blackpink for their limited discography to compare
Display MoreSeems Gaon data is pretty straightforward
Artist with most number one songs
IU > Big Bang > 2NE1, Sistar, Twice > Huh Gak, Girls' Generation, Davichi, BTS > Zion.T, Taeyeon, Park Hyo-shin
Artist with most weeks at number one
IU > BTS > Big Bang > Twice > Sistar
Artist with most months at number one
IU > Big Bang > Davichi, 2NE1, Psy, BTS > Girls' Generation, Blackpink, Wonder Girls, G-Dragon
I don't see Epik High, BTOB, BOL4 etc.
Twice is far more a Digimon than Blackpink is, understandable given their lack of discography, too many singles.
But sure this can be improved upon, if someone is interested, with some criteria like
At least 3 consecutive releases of Albums/EPs with more at least 4 songs, with
- At least one song in top #5 on Gaon Digital for Topping
- At least one song in top #100 for 50 weeks for Longevity
- All songs hitting within top #25 at least once for B-sides
If an act has 3 such release, then they can be considered a Digimon for that period.
That would trim the above list some more. Everyone else is simply not a Digimon.
Of this list, personally I would say everyone but BTOB were considered digimons. Epik High and Bol4 (especially cause they were the strongest digital act bar IU in 2016-2018). Of course, some stronger than others in many different ways, but just about everyone in your post are/were digimons.
Well…
1) NCT Dream doesn’t even have a title track hit. Their last release certainly did well for a boy group but it wasn’t even close to a hit song.
2) their album didn’t flood the charts. IU, BTS and BP had every single song on their last album chart on the 24 hits and melon daily then they even stayed on the charts for a prolonged period of time. They charted very high I might add. NCT Dream had one b-side that hit the charts at 79.
so I don’t know how they would be considered a “semi-digimon” when they don’t have a hit and they charted 1 b-side of a full album at the lower end of the charts.
