honest opinion , As Ifans which achievement do you prefer

none, groups can be successful on their own way. Some can chart well, some can sell well, some can tour well etc

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some can't have even one of that

yeah cus life aint fair

Do the best in the Indian market and come to tour here yearly

i still think doing well in s.k. charts is important to consider a group a top group bc HIT songs are important AND i have yet to see a group with INTERNATIONAL HIT song that isn't BTS or BP (groups only). International success isn't really a success when 90% of kpop groups can't tour really WORLDWIDE as they don't have the demand.

Do well WW.

Korea will eventually jump the hype even if they slept for years over that group.

The international market is where it's at if you want a solid fandom that's gonna keep buying your music in the long-run

The korean gp relies on trends,and as we all know trends come and go,so relying solely on Melon charting can be quite unstable.

No preference. It seems like the groups who are really ahead of the curve will pull anywhere else before S.Korea.

Success in Korea if the group isn't BP or BTS level in global market. It's a personal opinion, but all these "int hits" aren't very impactful after a decade because kpop in global market is very niche, the hits in Korea are really hits.

About sales or charts, well, can we do both? But depends the level of low sales, Sistar level? Hell no, the group can't survive without a fandom. OMG level? Good, low sales compared to others, but they're doing good on their own.

I'm an international fan so I prefer international succes tbh

but I'm not gonna be biased and say korean succes is totally irrelevant

The achievement of catering to my personal taste

Physical sales are definitely the most important as it is most of the time the biggest revenue. Doing well in korea is more important than internationally imo cz they are probably Korean so they need to be known by their closest fans who will probably stay the longest

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Lol, it's exactly BP story

Smart

Blackpink used to always do well in sk. Since debut.

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you're signature is so uncomfortable for my eyes

what did i just watch!!!

close them then

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in the name of jesus go away

that's rather rude

that took a turn

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hmm...agree and disagree

agree on that

and disagree on that

it's not because they are koreans that koreans will stay the longest beside them ,

and tbh i see ifans more loyal than k-fans, k-fans get bored easily and jump in the new trend

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Tbf it's hard to know who will stay the longest as kpop is still a relatively new genre of music and when the Korean fan base shrink us int fans have barely any information about them. For example, with orbits in the debut era, it was pretty hard to quantify how many Korean fans we had if we had any.

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Success in Korea if the group isn't BP or BTS level in global market. It's a personal opinion, but all these "int hits" aren't very impactful after a decade because kpop in global market is very niche, the hits in Korea are really hits.

About sales or charts, well, can we do both? But depends the level of low sales, Sistar level? Hell no, the group can't survive without a fandom. OMG level? Good, low sales compared to others, but they're doing good on their own.

That's basically how I voted too. I was thinking in terms of stability for the group, because as a fan, it would be most important to me that the group can be successful enough to continue making music. And while a group can technically survive with basically zero Korean recognition, they're better off with that stability in a country that will always listen to Korean music rather than the western market where it could end up being a trend that falls off after a few years, like how Spanish songs were big in the 90s for a while.

I think the charting vs. sales gets a little hard to differentiate, because concerts tend to be the most profitable. The largest, most successful concerts have been on acts that have both (e.g. SNSD, Big Bang, BTS), but for smaller groups, it seems to be that they tend to be groups that have at least some gp recognition and charting and aren't completely reliant on money whales to fund the group. Looking at joint concerts, it seems that acts who at least have one recognizable song tend to get invited even if their sales are middling otherwise (e.g. N.FLYING, OMG in recent years and going back further before even tiny groups got ridic album sales, groups like Secret, Davichi, and Sistar). So I ultimately went with charting over sales.

Honestly, since I live in Europe, not Korea, it’s going to be more impactful for me to see their international success… but really, I don’t care how much they sell or chart anywhere so long as they are happy and I like the music. The majority of the music I listen to is not by groups or artists who have mega success.

I dont care about both, as long as my faves have something to offer for us as fans

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Sure but everyone seems to move in the Us market too and even if they are not in Bts or bp level, some of them did well

Twice "feels" and TXT are big example

But see how many groups exist in kpop and how many can tour in the USA, really few so not an achievement necessary for me.

I prefer music aimed towards the Korean market on top of also preferring Korean promotions, alongside the potential careers that come out of maintaining popularity in SK.

International popularity is only better in the long run if you stick as a group for most, the only exceptions probably being BTS, BP and EXO who already have established individual members/identities popular enough to do substantial oversees activities (which is mainly idols that are from another country that is not SK).

When kpop idols go solo having a few fans dotted around the world in various countries (which is what it will become for most, as most fans only care about supporting the group as a whole or their favorite member) is not going to be as useful as having a decent level of popularity in SK (/that idols home country). You don't penetrate any market enough to be attractive for CF's, you're not getting acting/presenting/tv gigs in western countries, you won't be touring in anything more than theatres around the world etc.

I.O.I members have some of the best post-disbandment careers/attention and it pretty much all stems from SK popularity, with activities geared towards there. 2nd gen it was obviously more so the case as well. Most SNSD solo members aren't still relevant due to intentional popularity, but through establishing themselves individually in SK at their peak and now through activities in SK. With Izone I believe they've had a few solo releases now but I can imagine the one more people have heard worldwide stems from doing well on Korean charts rather than the one that ahs sold the most.

The opportunities that will arise from doing well in SK, assuming no controversies, win out in the long run in my opinion.

The perfect scenario is huge popularity and success internationally and domestically but if you're not bts then you can't have it all

With that being said, I rather my faves have an international success - that's where the money lay in and that's where the hardcore fandom that will support you in the long run comes from

I prefer dollars, euro and yen than wons

Did well in Korean market but can't make noise in US market

since one has to look at career longevity and eventually the group will disband and then where are you getting your "iron rice bowl"