Who else is starting to feel like JYP is not making good girl groups anymore?

I dont care whatever they try with their ggs, as long as I get my fair share of Twice copiums every year

Only 1 GG and y’all are losing your minds but yes stan STAYC

It's not just you, their girl groups have gone from iconic to bland. But I think the main issue is the quality of the music from JYP, it wouldn't be a problem if JYP's GGS made good music, this year and last year it seems like JYP's groups are all hitting this weird rut, and it's carrying on to their new groups.

it depends on everyone's point of view, me at JYPE I only stan Itzy and I don't like Twice at all for example.

But y’all are always in big4 gg ass and calling them boring, overrated, failure...and that they should drop the lore/GC concepts bs but y’all aren’t stanning any GG outside of the Big4 maybe stop giving them clout idk lol

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But y’all are always in big4 gg ass and calling them boring, overrated, failure...and that they should drop the lore/GC concepts bs but y’all aren’t stanning any GG outside of the Big4 maybe stop giving them clout idk lol

i think we're all stanning stayc

I don't know how long you've been a fan of JYPE girl groups, but so far as I can tell NMIXX is pretty much continuing the same pattern of success that JYPE Korean girl groups have with their debut and second songs.

• Wonder Girls (JYPE's 1st Korean girl group): Debuted with a good-but-not-great song (Irony) that followed the major music trend of the time (R&B hip hop) and achieved minor success. Then their second title track (Tell Me) went in a radically-different direction musically and conceptually (retro), and became a viral hit that spawned a national craze (Tell Me virus), leading to a string of hits.
• miss A (JYPE's 2nd Korean girl group): Debuted with a title track (Bad Girl Good Girl) that followed the major music trend of the time (sexy / female empowerment) and became known for their great performances. Ended up breaking the record for fastest time from debut to music show win (21 days), and the song went on to become the best-performing girl group song of that year (2010).
• TWICE (JYPE's 3rd Korean girl group): Debuted with a good-but-not-great song (Like Ooh Ahh) that followed the major music trend of the time (girl crush) and achieved minor success. Then their second title track (Cheer Up) went in a radically-different direction musically and conceptually (cute), and became a viral hit that spawned a national craze (Shy shy shy), leading to a string of hits.
• ITZY (JYPE's 4th Korean girl group): Debuted with a title track (Dalla Dalla) that followed the major music trend of the time (self love / girl crush again) and became known for their great performances. Ended up breaking the record for fastest time from debut to music show win (9 days), and the song went on to become the best-performing girl group song of that year (2019).
• NMIXX (JYPE's 5th Korean girl group): About to debut soon with a title track that will follow the major music trend of the time (universe lore / pastiche song structure). We'll see what kind of reception they receive, and whether they'll follow the Wonder Girls and TWICE pattern of radically changing concept for their second title track.

• NiziU (JYPE's 1st Japanese girl group) is a little different, because they got a viral hit that spawned a national craze (nawatobi / skipping rope dance) with their pre-debut song (Make You Happy). Their actual debut title track (Step and a Step) was another good-but-not great song that pretty much followed the major music trend in Japan at that time (Kpop-ified dance-centric J-pop).

Your mistake is thinking JYPE were innovative past a certain point in the first place.

They have been one of the least innovative companies relative to their competition for a while. If anything, they feast on playing it safe. One look at their divestments in recent years and the specialisation they've undertaken would show that.

I guess it’s true when they say kpop fans are weird

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but irony and loa are good songs to listen to with a good concept that just didnt click with the public. Nmixx's is so bad

Well first, music is subjective, so who's to say what's "good" or "bad"? All we can really say is whether a song suits our particular taste or not (I still don't like "Dalla Dalla", and prefer ITZY's rock song B-sides over their title tracks). What we can say is whether a song seems to be following what seems to be the popular trend in music at this time. All the JYPE girl group debut song concepts have followed the major music / concept trend at first. Irony and Like Ooh Ahh were concepts that were supposed to click with what the public wanted at the time, and actually did, to a degree (LOA, for instance, is one of the longest TWICE songs to stay on GAON Digital chart). They just weren't outstanding, chart-busting successes like the songs that came after them.

What sets JYPE girl groups apart eventually and makes them iconic is whether they diversify their discography after establishing a core concept that suits the group (Wonder Girls / TWICE), or double-down on their strength in performance (miss A / ITZY). JYPE girl groups mainly go for popularity first, then originality / diversity later. If you want originality first, I suggest having a look at / listen to the JYPE boy groups instead.

Maybe the next one

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I don't know how long you've been a fan of JYPE girl groups, but so far as I can tell NMIXX is pretty much continuing the same pattern of success that JYPE Korean girl groups have with their debut and second songs.

• Wonder Girls (JYPE's 1st Korean girl group): Debuted with a good-but-not-great song (Irony) that followed the major music trend of the time (R&B hip hop) and achieved minor success. Then their second title track (Tell Me) went in a radically-different direction musically and conceptually (retro), and became a viral hit that spawned a national craze (Tell Me virus), leading to a string of hits.
• miss A (JYPE's 2nd Korean girl group): Debuted with a title track (Bad Girl Good Girl) that followed the major music trend of the time (sexy / female empowerment) and became known for their great performances. Ended up breaking the record for fastest time from debut to music show win (21 days), and the song went on to become the best-performing girl group song of that year (2010).
• TWICE (JYPE's 3rd Korean girl group): Debuted with a good-but-not-great song (Like Ooh Ahh) that followed the major music trend of the time (girl crush) and achieved minor success. Then their second title track (Cheer Up) went in a radically-different direction musically and conceptually (cute), and became a viral hit that spawned a national craze (Shy shy shy), leading to a string of hits.
• ITZY (JYPE's 4th Korean girl group): Debuted with a title track (Dalla Dalla) that followed the major music trend of the time (self love / girl crush again) and became known for their great performances. Ended up breaking the record for fastest time from debut to music show win (9 days), and the song went on to become the best-performing girl group song of that year (2019).
• NMIXX (JYPE's 5th Korean girl group): About to debut soon with a title track that will follow the major music trend of the time (universe lore / pastiche song structure). We'll see what kind of reception they receive, and whether they'll follow the Wonder Girls and TWICE pattern of radically changing concept for their second title track.

• NiziU (JYPE's 1st Japanese girl group) is a little different, because they got a viral hit that spawned a national craze (nawatobi / skipping rope dance) with their pre-debut song (Make You Happy). Their actual debut title track (Step and a Step) was another good-but-not great song that pretty much followed the major music trend in Japan at that time (Kpop-ified dance-centric J-pop).

Did you just say Irony is a not-so-great song?

OP can you wait for their debut and subsequent releases before making a judgment. From their covers I watched the girls are really talented

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Your mistake is thinking JYPE were innovative past a certain point in the first place.

They have been one of the least innovative companies relative to their competition for a while. If anything, they feast on playing it safe. One look at their divestments in recent years and the specialisation they've undertaken would show that.

I agree on JYPE playing it safe. To me, they're kind of like the Microsoft / IKEA of Kpop. Not known for their innovation or stylish-ness (unlike, say, Apple). But they compete on out-producing the competition, with a much smoother and more efficient production process, and being in everyone's home / office. Accessible, rather than avant-garde.

your fault for being hyped because of pretty faces