Posts by dizzcity

    *Sigh*... I remember in the old forums, there used to be one user who posted the "Troll Rankings" every month or so, ranking the top trolls on the forum. Giving people the option to see how many people blocked them feels like it would feed into the competition for achievements among the trolls / spammers of these forums.


    It's just another form of self-validation for narcissistic attention-seekers: "I must be so great since so many people have blocked me. Finally, the attention I deserve." Like spoiled little kids who throw tantrums in public and check to see how many adults comply to shut them up.

    This thread is devolving into another useless fanwar. I'm unsubscribing from it.


    For what it's worth, I'm in favor of both a separate Music Discussion forum (properly labelled as such, with the main K-pop forum getting a different description), as well as achievement threads being confined to one per artist. So, the forum structure would be:


    • K-pop General Discussion Forum:
      • News threads (e.g. "Idol XX is coming back in September!")
      • Gossip threads (e.g. "Boy Y and Girl X are dating.")
      • Comparison threads (e.g. "Group A vs Group B, which is better?")
      • Achievement threads, one per artist (e.g. "Group A's latest achievement: 3 weeks #1 on Melon!")
      • Multi-artist chart & sales threads (e.g. "Top 50 artists on Gaon in 2021")
    • K-pop Music Discussion Forum:
      • Comeback discussions threads (e.g. "Song H - bop or flop?")
      • Genre recommendation / appreciation threads (e.g. "Best ballads of 2021")
      • Artist music discussion threads (e.g. "Rank your favourite title tracks from Artist D")
      • Song discussion threads (e.g. "What do you think the lyrics / MV from Artist W mean?")
    • K-pop Artist Forum / Guilds (frankly, I think there's a lot of duplicate stuff here):
      • Fanboying / fangirling threads (e.g. "Queen <Girl Group member> doing Queen things")
      • Visual threads (e.g. "Just pictures of <Group Member R>, so cute!")
      • Stuff that is only of interest to fans of the group. (e.g. "Who's your bias in Group E?")
    • K-Drama and Movies (same as current)

    Let's not forget that Chaeyoung also was selected as part of Google's Art Zoom project to discuss a piece of art by Yoo Youngkuk, in 2020:


    https://www.allkpop.com/article/2020/09/twices-chaeyoung-explores-yoo-youngkuks-art-for-googles-art-zoom-project

    Chaeyoung from Twice, J Balvin, FKA Twigs, More Join Google’s ‘Art Zoom’ Project (Video)
    J Balvin, Ellie Goulding, FKA twigs, Grimes, Matt Healy from the 1975 and Chaeyoung from Twice are all starring in the new season of Google Arts & Culture’s…
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    TWICE's non-standard solo branding and promotions FTW.

    The trouble is this: The people who want to post Achievements threads want as much people to see their stuff as possible, which is why when the forums were separated, you still had a lot of people posting in the main forum instead of the Achievements section. Because that's where the audience was, and they wanted to brag about their faves' achievements. Creating a separate Achievements forum wouldn't do much, except increase the mod's workload as they have to constantly shift threads into the Achievements forum.


    However, if what you wanted is a safe, uncluttered space for actual discussion about music, how about changing the request slightly, to have a new forum for "Music Discussions" instead? That way, that forum can be full of threads dedicated to actual music discussion, instead of achievements. And keep this main forum for news, gossip and achievements. Basically, the Achievements threads cannot be de-coupled from the News and Gossip sections, because of the attention-whores. So you have to de-couple the music appreciation section instead.

    Couldn't be helped, really. The industry was a lot less stable back then, many companies still starting out. After School was pretty much the only one that had "planned obsolescence", so to speak. Also, idol welfare standards were worse off, for the most part. Many companies and groups only added members after the initial ones dropped off due to various reasons.

    Lee Soo Man and BoA:


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    JYP and the Wonder Girls:


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    Yang Hyun Suk (and Teddy) and 2NE1: (though technically, Big Mama should be the eldest, but it's almost impossible to find any videos of their interactions with YHS)


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    Does watching their interactions change the way you think about them?

    They were the first kpop group to win a whole episode. No idea if there's another one after them. Maybe Seventeen?

    Nah, there were a couple of boy groups that won entire episodes before them (B1A4 in 2012, Ze:A in 2014, for example)... but they were the first girl group. And still the only girl group, as far as I know. BtoB, Seventeen, Ateez and arguably K-Tigers all have won episodes after MAMAMOO, yes.

    They weren't the first, or the only, idol group to win at Immortal Songs (though they were the first girl group). However, they were the idol group (boy or girl) that won the most. Three-time winners, y'all. Backwoods, Wonderful Confession, and The Dance in the Rhythm - three completely different styles of songs. (And honestly, I thought they should have won for Wait a Minute too... but that was literally their first appearance, in their rookie year, and nobody knew them.) And I think they also hold the record for most appearances on the show among idol groups. Something like 14 appearances? Most idol groups barely get one or two.

    Yuna just started her own Youtube channel, which also revealed that she is now signed as an artist under JX Entertainment. JX Entertainment is a company based out of Osaka, Japan, who also represent Ahn Ji Young from BOL4 and male ballad soloist Kwon Na Yoon. They have a partnership with Warner Media Japan.


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    Unfortunately, this pretty much confirms that she is no longer part of JYP Entertainment (unless they worked out some sort of multi-agency deal again, but I doubt it). Anyway, it looks like Yuna will still get her chance to debut in Japan! Wishing all the best to her.

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    • god – Lies (965) [released 2000]

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    • god – Road (829) [released 2001]
    • god – One Candle (820) [released 2000]

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    • Sechskies – Couple (768) [released 1999, rearranged and re-released 2016]


    Just wanted to highlight the oldest songs on this list. 20 years and counting. Some songs and some groups are evergreen classics. The lasting legacy of the first Nation's Group g.o.d (and JYP as their songwriter/producer).


    Also, shout-out to SG Wannabe for doing so well! And Big Mama as well. R&B songs have some insane longevity...

    Updating this chart again after Alcohol Free's 5 weeks on GAON. I've decided to split the chart into two, because the combined chart was getting too cluttered. So, I've split it into a chart for TWICE's early years (2015-2018) which will no longer need updating, and TWICE's more recent releases (2018-2021). The 2018 songs (WIL, DTNA, YoY, TBTIED) are kept on both charts as a calibration metric.


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    2PM, in their 13 years with JYP Entertainment (after renewing twice), has released a total of 12 studio albums, 3 compilation albums, and 2 EPs as a group. As individual solo artists signed to JYP, the members have released a combined total of 25 solo albums.


    Breakdown by member:

    • Jun. K. (main vocal): 4 Korean EPs, 5 Japanese EPs. (Average of 8 tracks per EP), plus about 16 OST tracks, 4 non-album singles.
    • Junho (lead vocal): 1 Korean EP, 7 Japanese EPs (Average of 8 tracks per EP), 3 compilation albums, 1 single album, 5 OST tracks.
    • Wooyoung (main dancer): 2 Korean EPs, 2 Japanese EPs (Average of 8 tracks per EP), 3 single albums, 3 collabs.
    • Nichkhun (visual): 2 EPs (released in 4 languages, because he's just that multi-lingual), 4 OSTs, 3 Thai singles.
    • Taecyeon (main rapper): 1 Japanese studio album, 6 collabs, 2 OSTs
    • Chansung (lead rapper): 1 Japanese EP, 2 collabs.

    Four of the members also have growing careers as actors, and they were variety gems from the very beginning. And their teamwork is solid enough that Taecyeon still joins them for music activities and promotions, even after he signed on to another agency to manage his acting career.


    Just wanted to put this example out there. Especially for fans of younger groups who think that JYP Ent doesn't know how to develop solo careers for their idols or have to sacrifice the group to do so. 2PM are the role models for TWICE, Day6, and their juniors after all.

    Oddly-enough, I'm starting to see similarities in looks between the Girls Planet trainees and some of the members of NiziU. For example, Kawaguchi Yurina looks like Miihi and Sakamoto Shihona looks like Riku. Wonder if it has to do with the styling change from J-pop to K-pop, or whether NiziU has had some effect on selection criteria for what they think idols should look like.

    According to the answers on Quora, it depends on the purpose of the pictorial. Most magazine pictorials don't pay celebrities anything. They do it for the fame.


    However, if a brand organises a celebrity pictorial deliberately to promote their goods and services (like luxury fashion wear), then the celebrity will get paid by the fashion company for advertising / modelling.


    So, in the case above, for example, Jennie doesn't get paid anything by Elle Korea, but rather, Chanel pays both her and Elle Korea to create a pictorial to advertise their products.

    Let me play you what JYP said to Stray Kids about their rate of progress, after their first year:


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    If he said that to Stray Kids, I have no reason to doubt he'd say something similar to ITZY. It's never been about achievements with JYP. It's about enjoying your life and career as a singer, a performer, and developing a love for the art.


    Maybe to a fan's perspective, achievements are what's important and what defines the value of a group. Or to a corporate boss who only cares about idols as products to sell. But to a practicing, active artist who loves music? He realised the uselessness of achievements a long time ago. He knows and shares the joy of doing what you love as a career. He knows about the self-discipline necessary to perfect your mastery of the artform (and will relentlessly nitpick at you until you are performing at your best... because that's what the music or choreography demands of you). He knows about building a relationship with long-term fans who really appreciate the artist for who they are, not just what they have achieved. And he knows about the impact artists have on their fans and the imperative to use that for good instead of evil. And he practices what he preaches and passes it on to as many of his artists as he can.

    ohh okay and what is the different between old and new twice ? :|:|:|

    TWICE's early years were characterised by simple catchy dances, and bright cheerful music (with the exception of their debut track). Often cute, but not always. It started with the explosive viral popularity of "Cheer Up" in Apr 2016 and continued for a string of about 9 consecutive #1 hits. In 2018, they reached the pinnacle of that style, with "What is Love" (Apr 2018) and "Dance the Night Away" (Jul 2018). Later on, they started diversifying the musical style with their title tracks, arguably showing signs of it in "Yes or Yes" (Nov 2018), but definitely by "Fancy" (Apr 2019) and the Japanese track "Breakthrough" (Jun 2019). Dances became higher-difficulty, so not as easy to perform or go viral for catchiness. They started dressing in darker, cooler colors, and in more glamorous high-fashion dresses rather than pretty, casual wear. Musical concepts for title tracks (not necessarily B-sides... those were always quite diverse) became more varied, to explore young adulthood, not necessarily youth anymore.


    The lyrical themes of their songs also became more mature. So, for example, while early-TWICE would sing songs about innocently wondering what love was, trying to encourage guys who are interested in them, and feeling sad if their crush doesn't notice them, later TWICE sings about temptation and desire, quietly appreciating the people who make them feel special, and angrily rejecting a guy that can't move on from a breakup.