Not all the time. It is a rough measure, but not an accurate measure.
This case is interesting 
Weird that leeseo gets more views in fancams but guess also because she was viral
This case is interesting
Weird that leeseo gets more views in fancams but guess also because she was viral
I‘ve been stanning IZ*ONE since LVER and it has always been like that. For a long time I’d only gotten Fancams of the other members on my recs even though I only watched Yujin Fancams.
The first and pretty much only time where she got the views she deserved was on her sequence Fancam.
And currently, in IVE, people say she’s one of the best performers and I believe the only member with lower views than her is Gaeul.
It’s something I’ve been trying to understand for years.
Not necessarily. Some members are known for having great fancams and get higher views because of that. Main dancers usually gets high views too even if they aren't that popular. Same with visuals.
Display MoreI‘ve been stanning IZ*ONE since LVER and it has always been like that. For a long time I’d only gotten Fancams of the other members on my recs even though I only watched Yujin Fancams.
The first and pretty much only time where she got the views she deserved was on her sequence Fancam.
And currently, in IVE, people say she’s one of the best performers and I believe the only member with lower views than her is Gaeul.
It’s something I’ve been trying to understand for years.
Fancam views are a mistery
Another example are the views for girls on top individual fancams. Winter got 8M while karina almost 1M even though she is more popular than winter? I am supposing as I don't know Aespa that much
Fancam views are a mistery
Another example are the views for girls on top individual fancams. Winter got 8M while karina not even 1M even though she is more popular than winter?
Winter and Karina are pretty much on the same level. Also Winter fancam went viral because the gap wasn’t that big.
Some members are well-known in the fandom/K-pop community/by the public for being good performers so they get high views in their fancams constantly. Sometimes It happens for them to be the most popular member, sometimes It doesn't. But I think It's safe to say they are at least one of the most popular if It happens often...
Winter and Karina are pretty much on the same level. Also Winter fancam went viral because the gap wasn’t that big.
Oh they are on the same popularity level then 
Going viral helps a lot too
Not necessarily. Some members are known for having great fancams and get higher views because of that. Main dancers usually gets high views too even if they aren't that popular. Same with visuals.
I agree that visuals can get high views.
The main dancer case is also true like in exo, kai isn't the most popular member but he gets the most views because he is a great performer
i don't watch fancam often so i'll use the example i know the best
Fancam views are a good metric if they are stable, because if you can get 1M everytime on your fancam it prove that your enough popular to attract people to watch you perform
if you get 1M , then 200K views, 400K views, it's not a good metric because it would mean that just one of your video went viral but people aren't interest enough in you
for example Karina and Winter get 1M views pretty much on all their fancam, and their view are pretty close
the only difference is that Winter have a 8M views fancam but it was because the video went viral not because she's far ahead of Karina in term of popularity
I'm reminded of this thread by BlackpinkHouse, where he pointed out individual fancam views for a special collaborative performance of "Rum Pum Pum Pum" at MBC's recent end-of-year Gayo Daejejeon. Here are the current view counts:
Miyeon – (G)I-dle: 112K
Yujin – IVE: 77K
If you go by these numbers, Minju is *by far* the most popular of the five girls, but I don't believe that's actually the case. In that thread, people correctly pointed out that her high view count is likely simply due to the fact that she hasn't performed in a long time, thus spurring curiosity.
not really! for example, winter's fancam for step back has more views than all the other girls! 7.7 million! but she ain't even that popular compared to karina! in reality, the only reason her fan cam has so many views is because of her aegyo payola in the thumbnail! so no, fan cams views do not determine who is more popular.
Display MoreI'm reminded of this thread by BlackpinkHouse, where he pointed out individual fancam views for a special collaborative performance of "Rum Pum Pum Pum" at MBC's recent end-of-year Gayo Daejejeon. Here are the current view counts:
Miyeon – (G)I-dle: 112K
Yujin – IVE: 77K
If you go by these numbers, Minju is *by far* the most popular of the five girls, but I don't believe that's actually the case. In that thread, people correctly pointed out that her high view count is likely simply due to the fact that she hasn't performed in a long time, thus spurring curiosity.
Interesting
Was Minju also popular as an izone member?
I am not familiar with them
Not necessarily. Fans can pay for ads for a fancam. I’ve gotten so many fancam ads of idols due to fans paying for it to get high views
Not necessarily. Fans can pay for ads for a fancam. I’ve gotten so many fancam ads of idols due to fans paying for it to get high views
I didn't know this
Wonyoung has high views for IVE fancams in fact
We can tell that also curiosity by people can be a part of many views for idols individual fancams in general
not really! for example, winter's fancam for step back has more views than all the other girls! 7.7 million! but she ain't even that popular compared to karina! in reality, the only reason her fan cam has so many views is because of her aegyo payola in the thumbnail! so no, fan cams views do not determine who is more popular.
Winter actually is quite on par with Karina in term of popularity. Moreover, I personally feel that winter is more likeable by the GP - her brand reputation ranking in korea kinda prove that
Winter actually is quite on par with Karina in term of popularity. Moreover, I personally feel that winter is more likeable by the GP - her brand reputation ranking in korea kinda prove that
They have diff kinds of popularity.
Karina has a lot of hardcore & rich fans that's why her fans contributed a lot to the album sales. Her version of Elle(?) magazines sold the most and the recent SMCU photo pack she is also leading in terms of sales. Her special photocards are generally the most expensive as well. Karina is always trending bcus of her visual. Her visual tend to attract a lot of fangirls sort of like Jennie/Krystal.
Winter's fans are really good at streaming and she has a lot of casual fans, thats why her fancam and other videos garner a lot of views. She is always trending bcus of her cute nature and fanboys love her a lot bcus she is the type that they want to protect her. Her visual is sort of like IU/Taeyeon which Koreans like especially the guys.
Also brand reputation is not very reliable, a lot of popular idols are ranked low like Wonyoung. Fans have also found out that the person who came up with the brand reputation ranking has a shady background or smth like that so take it with a grain of salt. Anyway both Karina & Winter are really popular and talented, hopefully they can grow even more in the future along with Giselle & Ningning.
Display MoreI'm reminded of this thread by BlackpinkHouse, where he pointed out individual fancam views for a special collaborative performance of "Rum Pum Pum Pum" at MBC's recent end-of-year Gayo Daejejeon. Here are the current view counts:
Miyeon – (G)I-dle: 112K
Yujin – IVE: 77K
If you go by these numbers, Minju is *by far* the most popular of the five girls, but I don't believe that's actually the case. In that thread, people correctly pointed out that her high view count is likely simply due to the fact that she hasn't performed in a long time, thus spurring curiosity.
People were defo having a Ive fatigue lol. I don't blame they promoted the whole month in various music shows, gayos etc.
Display MoreI'm reminded of this thread by BlackpinkHouse, where he pointed out individual fancam views for a special collaborative performance of "Rum Pum Pum Pum" at MBC's recent end-of-year Gayo Daejejeon. Here are the current view counts:
Miyeon – (G)I-dle: 112K
Yujin – IVE: 77K
If you go by these numbers, Minju is *by far* the most popular of the five girls, but I don't believe that's actually the case. In that thread, people correctly pointed out that her high view count is likely simply due to the fact that she hasn't performed in a long time, thus spurring curiosity.
Minju's popularity is seriously underestimated, at least among Wizones. Wonyoung is far more "known" to the GP, even Yeji and Miyeon are probably more known as well, but Minju has got her fandom on lockdown. There's a reason why Hybe went balls to the wall for her. If she ever debuted solo, we're looking at 100k+ sales and top 10 alltime in Gaon album sales for female soloists behind only BP, RV, IU and Taeyeon.
Display MoreThey have diff kinds of popularity.
Karina has a lot of hardcore & rich fans that's why her fans contributed a lot to the album sales. Her version of Elle(?) magazines sold the most and the recent SMCU photo pack she is also leading in terms of sales. Her special photocards are generally the most expensive as well. Karina is always trending bcus of her visual. Her visual tend to attract a lot of fangirls sort of like Jennie/Krystal.
Winter's fans are really good at streaming and she has a lot of casual fans, thats why her fancam and other videos garner a lot of views. She is always trending bcus of her cute nature and fanboys love her a lot bcus she is the type that they want to protect her. Her visual is sort of like IU/Taeyeon which Koreans like especially the guys.
Also brand reputation is not very reliable, a lot of popular idols are ranked low like Wonyoung. Fans have also found out that the person who came up with the brand reputation ranking has a shady background or smth like that so take it with a grain of salt. Anyway both Karina & Winter are really popular and talented, hopefully they can grow even more in the future along with Giselle & Ningning.
Wonyoung is only ranked low on brand reputation because people usually refer to her as “Jang Wonyoung“, but starship only uses “Wonyoung“, the latter of which has a much lower index than the first.
Same goes for Yujin. People only refer to her with her surname, especially since there are other idols called Yujin as well, but starship is being dumb asf.
Minju's popularity is seriously underestimated, at least among Wizones. Wonyoung is far more "known" to the GP, even Yeji and Miyeon are probably more known as well, but Minju has got her fandom on lockdown. There's a reason why Hybe went balls to the wall for her. If she ever debuted solo, we're looking at 100k+ sales and top 10 alltime in Gaon album sales for female soloists behind only BP, RV, IU and Taeyeon.
Ah ok, so you're saying that Minju's views are more "fandom-driven" then. This would thus help refute the thought that fancam views are an accurate measure of popularity, as popularity typically refers to "general public" recognition.
i honestly don't know, i don't watch fancams :D you are correct, it's either v, jungkook, or jimin. maybe an army who watches fancams can answer this. i don't even know who gets the least. i assume it's either suga, rm or jhope.
i don't watch them, i don't find it appealing to watch one member dancing to a choreo made for 7 people. i watched maybe 10 fancams in total before deciding that it's just not for me. i do watch the group's fancams tho because the focus is on ot7 choreography.
I think consistently high YouTube fancams can be a good indication of international popularity, but not necessarily Korean popularity.
At least that used to be the case. I think recently there has been an uptick in Koreans participation in watching YouTube fancams, but international fans definitely lead in the streaming of those fancams.
So, it depends what kind of popularity you are talking about.
I think consistently high YouTube fancams can be a good indication of international popularity, but not necessarily Korean popularity.
At least that used to be the case. I think recently there has been an uptick in Koreans participation in watching YouTube fancams, but international fans definitely lead in the streaming of those fancams.
So, it depends what kind of popularity you are talking about.
It can be both international and domestic popularity in some cases. For example winter's fancam for girls on top has over 8M views and it's also viral in Korea, so we can tell also koreans are streaming the fancam?
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