which kpop company is the fifth biggest after the main 4 ?

P Nation. They have Psy, Jessi, Crush, Heize, Hyuna, Dawn, Penomeco, etc

Insane

is pledis counted?

I'd say Cube but even they have fallen off a lot in recent years

it seems like there's quite a big wall between the big 4 and the rest these days.

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is pledis counted?

Don't people include them in hybe?

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Don't people include them in hybe?

op said bighit in the post so i just thought it was separate lol but i guess it's general consensus that pledis is more included to hybe

CUBE in my opinion.

Starship obviously, IVE debut is the biggest reason they surpassed Cube and others

They also have three other groups that all sell above 100k, while Cube only has pentagon and g-idle able to do that

WJSN is very active and As You wish charts every year, I think that means a lot

Basically

Monsta x > pentagon and recent btob

Wjsn> CLC

Ive>g-idle

Cravity>lightsum

Pledis if you include them.

If not, probably Starship or even RBW. I think Cube is getting stagnant.

i hate cube but cube

top kpop firms by market value:

1) hybe ~$10bn

2) cj enm ~$2.5bn

3) kakao entertainment $??? (private company. kakao parent is ~$38bn. includes starship, loen, high up, many others)

4) sme ~$1.5bn

5) jype ~$1.4bn

6) yge ~$1bn

imo starship or p-nation

cube has been free-falling for the past few years while starship hit huge with monsta x and now ive. p-nation on the other hand has some of the best and most popular soloists currently - jessi, huna, dawn, crush, they're all big in korea.

rbw is big but i don't think they're as big as the other two

starship or rbw

Def Starship

Kakao M is easily big enough to be part of the Big 4, or even the top Kpop company out there. Everyone forgets about them, except for good ol Whyknock lol.

They have tons of notable acts in Korea under their subsidiary labels.

Apink

Victon

The Boyz

Weeekly

StayC

Monsta X

WJSN

Cravity

Ive

IU

PLEDIS ?

Seventeen alone is bigger than some companies in music royalties

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Kakao M is easily big enough to be part of the Big 4, or even the top Kpop company out there. Everyone forgets about them, except for good ol Whyknock lol.

They have tons of notable acts in Korea under their subsidiary labels.

Apink

Victon

The Boyz

Weeekly

StayC

Monsta X

WJSN

Cravity

Ive

IU

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They get forgotten, because Idol production is not their primary business. And most of these acts, they did not groom inhouse, but rather bought in, by buying the originating companies.

If counting Kakao M, then CJ E&M should also be counted. They too are massive.