Do you think your faves would still be successful if they debuted under a company other than the one they actually did?
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If this company still allowed them the same creative control, yes.
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Yes.
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K-pop fans are huge company people. Many not necessarily so much that they just like every group a company makes but because of the level of exposure the company provides means that they will give then some attention and maybe even to most releases.
Unless your favorite idols are ones that succeeded despite not coming from a Starship/Cube+ company, then the answer should be no.
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If this company still allowed them the same creative control, yes.
That's the point for me
I don't know many companies, including smaller ones, that province the amount of trust and support to the members own ideas musically and conceptually the way JYPE has done to Stray Kids. This group was an experiment usually smaller companies don't have the resources to risk and recover finacially If something go wrong. Starting from trusting a trainee to help choosing the group's members.
Maybe even 'God's Menu' could have never happened in another company, given the fact It was a last minute decision by the members to switch the title track and the company had to re-calculate the comeback's route, because J.Y Park gave the green light.
So I'd also say It depends If the company they would be in would believe in the members' guts the same way JYPE has done. I don't know If only their talent and charisma would be enough to make them as successful If they weren't managed accordingly to what they can offer.
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That's the point for me
I don't know many companies, including smaller ones, that province the amount of trust and support to the members own ideas musically and conceptually the way JYPE has done to Stray Kids. This group was an experiment usually smaller companies don't have the resources to risk and recover finacially If something go wrong. Starting from trusting a trainee to help choosing the group's members.
Maybe even 'God's Menu' could have never happened in another company, given the fact It was a last minute decision by the members to switch the title track and the company had to re-calculate the comeback's route, because J.Y Park gave the green light.
So I'd also say It depends If the company they would be in would believe in the members' guts the same way JYPE has done. I don't know If only their talent and charisma would be enough to make them as successful If they weren't managed accordingly to what they can offer.
It's quite fascinating how much trust they put in them honestly, and the fact they they continued giving them this trust despite them underperforming so much in the beginning.
When JYP said they tried something new with SKZ, he really meant it, and he really was committed to seeing it through. I guess him and the company is quite happy they stuck with it now lol.
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No.
I can't imagine SNSD would be as successful under other company, even if it was equally big as SM. In best scenario they'd be a fairly popular act with multiple hits and big fandom.
2007's SM was not only big but had deep connections with the entertainment industry, allowed them to get good deals. It's the essential reason for SNSD's insane popularity.
Even 2025's SM doesn't have that power.
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No.
I can't imagine SNSD would be as successful under other company, even if it was equally big as SM. In best scenario they'd be a fairly popular act with multiple hits and big fandom.
2007's SM was not only big but had deep connections with the entertainment industry, allowed them to get good deals. It's the essential reason for SNSD's insane popularity.
Even 2025's SM doesn't have that power.
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this was my exact reaction
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You do understand there were 6 years of failed girl groups in SM before SNSD came along right?
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Yes. But even then SM was the only company with the ability to make a group that popular back then.
JYP, YG were able to make groups with even more bigger hits, always did good on charts, but didn't have that level of GP mass popularity as reflected by Gallup polls. That's the difference between SM and other big companies back then.
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hard to say since hindsight is 20/20
groups like Gidle might even have been less successful if the company wouldn't allow as much creative freedom to Soyeon
then again would BP still be BP if they debuted under say JYPE where JYPE was known for it's stricter group cohesion and activities over individual activities
Ive might be still Ive given their initial success was partially as a result of WY and YJ and the same can be said of LSFM (again at least intially)
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Yes. But even then SM was the only company with the ability to make a group that popular back then.
JYP, YG were able to make groups with even more bigger hits, always did good on charts, but didn't have that level of GP mass popularity as reflected by Gallup polls. That's the difference between SM and other big companies back then.
I'm not sure SNSD are the nugus you want them to be
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I think Day6 at the start of their career have been mismanaged by JYPE. JYPE neglected Day6 a lot and everyone knows it.
But even so, I don't deny that Day6 would most probably be even more nugu because it is so hard for bands to have a breakout moment
Even if JYPE is shitty just the name of the company itself is a boost.
The biggest boost to Day6 is when icyruios discovered them, and promoted them non stop which helped them escape nugudom
The worse part is that JYPE haven't paid a single cent to icyruios
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Yes. But even then SM was the only company with the ability to make a group that popular back then.
JYP, YG were able to make groups with even more bigger hits, always did good on charts, but didn't have that level of GP mass popularity as reflected by Gallup polls. That's the difference between SM and other big companies back then.
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Ive might be still Ive given their initial success was partially as a result of WY and YJ and the same can be said of LSFM (again at least intially)
IVE is a perfect example of group would be good without original company.
Wonder Girls musics are more popular than the group themselves, the popularity fell off when they didn't product GP hits (still hits though but not GP level).
Evidence: In 2009 Wonders Girls didn't release anything then their Gallup Poll position fell from #1 to #4. In 2010 they had "2 Different Tears" (ranked #6 on Circle that year, SNSD had Oh! at #5 but released earlier so longer tracking time) but disappeared from top 5.
From Oct 2010 to Oct 2011 SNSD also didn't release anything in Korea but still topped the 2011 poll (the poll was held in June 2011). They as a group also didn't have anything in Korea for almost 2012 (except a single in last week) but still landed #2 on the poll, and that was the year of Psy's Gangnam Style.
I'm not sure SNSD are the nugus you want them to be
No word in my previous comments is equivalent to "nugu". Just pointing out the difference between "successful music group" vs "mass popularity". The later needs strictly right time right place right people.
SNSD is the only group I stan, why should I want them to be nugu?
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SNSD wouldn't have even started had they been in other labels at the time let alone find the success they did. JYP didn't have a large gg so they're out, YG couldn't even handle just BB and 2NE1 so they're out, other labels tried the SNSD formula to mostly weak results with only a couple success like T-ara and Apink so they're all out too. SNSD was simply too hard to make at the time.
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Wonder Girls musics are more popular than the group themselves, the popularity fell off when they didn't product GP hits (still hits though but not GP level).
Evidence: In 2009 Wonders Girls didn't release anything then their Gallup Poll position fell from #1 to #4. In 2010 they had "2 Different Tears" (ranked #6 on Circle that year, SNSD had Oh! at #5 but released earlier so longer tracking time) but disappeared from top 5.
From Oct 2010 to Oct 2011 SNSD also didn't release anything in Korea but still topped the 2011 poll (the poll was held in June 2011). They as a group also didn't have anything in Korea for almost 2012 (except a single in last week) but still landed in #2 on the poll, and that was the year of Psy's Gangnam Style.Interesting retelling...
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SNSD is the only group I stan, why should I want them to be nugu?
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Kiss of Life would be MUCH bigger if they were under Hybe or YG.
TWICE.. hard to say. JYPE didn't do anything special with them in the first few years but after The Feels, I think they are doing a good job at balancing everything. I would say that if they debuted elsewhere then their popularity would have been same in SK and Japan but significantly less everywhere else.
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what can idols do without their companies?
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Is this a reference to Trump?
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As long as they're heavily promoting new, good music, then possibly yes.
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Well Let's see....
Infinite almost disbanded until one of their songs went viral and basically saved Woollim. Despite how talented they are, I think under another company (given what we know now about how poorly Woollim managed them) they could have taken off much more. At the same time, I wonder—would that same viral moment have happened if they’d been in a better situation from the start?
FTIsland – I only became a fan in the past couple of years, but they basically put idol bands on the map. Would they have been better off under another company? For me, the answer is mostly no. Knowing how FNC operates now, and seeing other bands constantly on award shows or going viral, I do wonder if FTIsland could be “bigger” somewhere else. But at this point, as veterans, and possibly part owners, they seem able to do what they want (similar to CNBlue, who I think have the same freedom). I don’t think they’d be the same group if they were under a different label. They’ve been through a lot, and Hongki has said things I can’t imagine other idols saying, and he’s often been right.
Groups I don’t think would thrive elsewhere
Ateez – Don’t move them. Sometimes I want to shake KQ, but I honestly can’t picture another company treating them as well. Hongjoong worked very hard in the beginning to earn the respect he has now. They had no senior group to lean on, and now they’re that group for Xikers. They’re truly thriving where they are.
One Pact & Nomad – I wish they were bigger, but the hands-on involvement they have now feels rare. I don’t think they’d be able to do what they’re doing under a larger, stricter label.
Groups who should have left
Pentagon – Everyone knows how Cube operates—they held them back so much.
Up10tion – Like all their groups, Top Media mismanaged them badly.
B.A.P – We all know what their company did. If they’d debuted under a better label, I think they could have been so much bigger.
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I think Day6 at the start of their career have been mismanaged by JYPE. JYPE neglected Day6 a lot and everyone knows it.
But even so, I don't deny that Day6 would most probably be even more nugu because it is so hard for bands to have a breakout moment
Even if JYPE is shitty just the name of the company itself is a boost.
The biggest boost to Day6 is when icyruios discovered them, and promoted them non stop which helped them escape nugudom
The worse part is that JYPE haven't paid a single cent to icyruios
So you think your faves would've been successful if they debuted under FNC?
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Kiss of Life would be MUCH bigger if they were under Hybe or YG.
TWICE.. hard to say. JYPE didn't do anything special with them in the first few years but after The Feels, I think they are doing a good job at balancing everything. I would say that if they debuted elsewhere then their popularity would have been the same in SK and Japan but significantly less everywhere else.
KIOF would've been perfect under YG. Just keep YSY and Teddy away from them, however 😅
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Is this a reference to Trump?
yessir
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That's not the question. Nobody's speaking about self-produced music.
The author was asking if groups would do well had they joined other labels.
That person was probably referencing their own faves.
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