Do we all agree ifans are now more toxic than even K-Netizens?

    Who's more toxic? 39

    1. I-Fans (27) 69%
    2. K-Netizens (12) 31%

    It didn't used to be like this during 3rd generation, and obviously the preceding generations, but something has changed the past year, and I see ifans working hard to earn their i-roach designation


    The rampant xenophobia towards the country producing the content and artists they're obsessed with. The intentionally mistranslated articles to fan the flames of hatred towards a specific artist or group. The brigading and doxxing of identified "threats" or people who commit the crime of having a different opinion from the hive mind?


    Want an easy example? The fallout from the LSF Coachella stage was almost entirely fueled by toxic ifans, to the point it caught the attention of the Korean public and perhaps permanently damaged their reputation.


    Or who could forget the #SouthKoreaApologizeToBTS saga?


    I have many more examples, but I think I've made my point.


    I don't ever want to see ifans getting on their soapbox and crying about how toxic K-Netizens are ever again after this year.

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    Armys

    I'm sure most people read between the lines


    They aren't the only ones of course but still

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    I've been saying that the only reason why K-fans are "considered" the toxic ones is because of geographical proximity. I-fans are just as bad.


    A lot of international fans' view on Korean fans is rooted in xenophobia. And don't get me started on how they view Chinese and SEA fans.

    The frequent casual xenophobic comments I see almost every day for the past 4 months is insane.


    The tension was always present, but people aren't even trying to hide it any more and think it's okay to attack the intelligence and culture of an entire country just because its citizens don't define their entire personality through their devotion to an idol group or entertainment label

  • AllKill VIP

    I think it’s the same toxicity it just works in different ways. I fans like to create drama in order to fuel their agenda whereas knetz will hyper focus on idols actions and as soon as idols do something they don’t like they’ll take it personal and set out to hate on them until an idol apologizes or their career is over.


    Also Ifans use global social media so their toxicity is much wide spread.

  • AllKill VIP
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    They have always been two sides of the same coin. No wonder i-fans use netizens' opinions through p4nnchoa to validate their toxic opinions and netizens print viral tweets of i-fans to start their circle jerk in their forums. The vibes just match.

    more like polar opposites. ifans are criticized for defending their favs no matter what, while knetz are criticized for jumping on any negative stories about idols.

    Well both are pretty toxic! But K fans criticise idols for true things sometimes, while I fans always found babying them!


    I still think kfans care more about quality than ifans! Ifans would eat up anything their idols will put, but kfans won’t, that’s what I appreciate in kfans!

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    more like polar opposites. ifans are criticized for defending their favs no matter what, while knetz are criticized for jumping on any negative stories about idols.

    When It comes to that, It really depends on the idols and the circustances surrounding such scandals. There are times netizens are defensive and i-fans jump on the idols. For example, cultural appropriation or racism against poc other than east asians.

    Well I feel like some of the worst things I've seen have come from the K-netz so I went with them, but yea the I-fans have gotten a lot worse in recent times. People are shitty no matter where you're from, who knew.


    What I will say is that what may be viewed as extreme toxicity from K-netz may just be a lack of understanding of their culture on my part or mistranslations. Not trying to say being toxic towards idols is ingrained in Korean culture, but it's viewed differently it seems. Ifans became shitheads all by themselves though.


    Unrelated but I find it funny that it seems tough to get accurate Korean translations, you'd think we were trying to translate some ancient language.

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    you don't know knetz lol. you really really don't know. sure ifans can be stupid as fuck but knetz are malicious and they have killed many people.

    Today I read a mass upvoted comment about hiring a hitman to kill Min Heejin


    And I never knew knetz to dox other fans and then flood their socials with racist bigotry


    Just saying.

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    Unrelated but I find it funny that it seems tough to get accurate Korean translations, you'd think we were trying to translate some ancient language.

    not really. every language has their own nuances that are difficult or can't be translated. It's why we have the phrase "lost in translation".

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    not really. every language has their own nuances that are difficult or can't be translated. It's why we have the phrase "lost in translation".

    yea I'm not fluent in any other languages but I do understand that a semantic translation is difficult. Just surprised in 2024 it's hard to get translations, but I'm not a language expert.

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    yea I'm not fluent in any other languages but I do understand that a semantic translation is difficult. Just surprised in 2024 it's hard to get translations, but I'm not a language expert.

    koreans use a shit ton of abbreviations and internet slangs so you can't translate most of them

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    The ONLY difference between I-Fans and K-Fans (btw, why are we calling them fans?) is that K-Fans has a bigger impact, because they live in Korea. Kpop agencies don't give a damn about international "fans". Everything they do is about Koreans.

    That's not true and hasn't been for years


    The success of Stray Kids alone proves that

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    Mmm, not forget when Knetizens dont like what we saying they call us i-roaches. So, who is worse?

    I gave my opinion. I think present day ifans are worse than present day knetizens

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    That's not true and hasn't been for years


    The success of Stray Kids alone proves that

    What are you trying to say, because I don't really get it.


    The racism towards SK (if you're talking about that) in the US is what EVERY Asian and POC have to face in western countries, but we're talking about toxic "fans", and Knetz bullied many Korean celebs to death. Like I said, the industry only cares about Koreans. The whole Kpop system was built around their expectations. That's why Idols and celebs in general have to apologize for the smallest things they do.


    Just because Kpop groups do more PR outside of Asia, doesn't mean I-Fans have more impact on the industry.

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    What are you trying to say, because I don't really get it.


    The racism towards SK (if you're talking about that) in the US is what EVERY Asian and POC have to face in western countries, but we're talking about toxic "fans", and Knetz bullied many Korean celebs to death. Like I said, the industry only cares about Koreans. The whole Kpop system was built around their expectations. That's why Idols and celebs in general have to apologize for the smallest things they do.


    Just because Kpop groups do more PR outside of Asia, doesn't mean I-Fans have more impact on the industry.

    Your statement was that K-Pop companies don't care about international fans.


    I think that is an incorrect statement evidenced by how much companies now cater to Western fans in particular, due to the ceiling of their profits and fame being much higher than if they exclusively focused on Korea.


    K-Pop became an exported good beginning as far back as second generation, as you know, and once 4th generation really took off, the quest for success in the West accelerated with it.


    A byproduct of that is ifans feeling like they have more power and influence than ever before, and they will often mock and disparage the very country and people responsible for the industry they're so unhealthily obsessed with.


    Meanwhile Korea has taken actions to curb the toxicity of its most vitriolic netizens, such as not allowing comments, and companies are more aggressive than ever with taking legal action, such as what happened to that toxic YTuber, Sojang.


    But with ifans, this is the most toxic they have ever been. Easily. And because idols today are way more globally accessible than they used to be, the reach of toxic ifans extends further than before.

    Btw. Few days ago some kfans claimed Nmixx members didn't put enough effort in ISAC, others complain about an interaction bewteen Xdinary heroes members and Nmixx members. Sullyoon and other girl have to apologize for this. Our side of the fandom think Knswers are fucking crazy for this bullshit.
    So, I believe both, ifans and kfans, have the ability to be the worst people ever. Is a tie for me.

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    Btw. Few days ago some kfans claimed Nmixx members didn't put enough effort in ISAC, others complain about an interaction bewteen Xdinary heroes members and Nmixx members. Sullyoon and other girl have to apologize for this. Our side of the fandom think Knswers are fucking crazy for this bullshit.
    So, I believe both, ifans and kfans, have the ability to be the worst people ever. Is a tie for me.

    And Army have started a hate campaign against NewJeans' Danielle specifically, one of the sweetest people I've ever seen in this industry, calling her MHJ's right-hand and mouthpiece, and STILL accusing her of intentionally interrupting and bullying Eunchae


    It's to the point where I read comments about her personality being fake and her smiles inauthentic.


    And this hate had enough steam behind it to catch the attention and then subsequent ridicule of the Korean fanbases.


    Don't get me started on the fake news that the wreaths Tokkis sent to protest against HYBE's failure in protecting NewJeans were actually planned to be sent on Chaewon's birthday to target her.

  • AllKill VIP

    I was talking about real influence, like opinions about something celebs do, how they look, dating life etc. If an I-Fan says, they don't like some celeb dating life, no agency will care about that.


    Music wise, sure, international fans have a lot of impact, but I thought we're talking about online "opinions".


    Are agencies really doing more against toxic people in Korea? I don't feel that way. They say they will do something, but I don't think we read anything about that after their statements. Only SME made statements like that multiple times, only in 2024, but I never read anything about them actually doing something.


    I-Fans looks more toxic, sure, because we have more social media platforms and Kpop is more mainstream now, but I don't see a gap between I-Fans and K-Fans.

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    more like polar opposites. ifans are criticized for defending their favs no matter what, while knetz are criticized for jumping on any negative stories about idols.

    THIS! Ifans are anything but rational and fair. Majority of them are blind loyalist who’re constantly in denial

    I dunno Knets are ruthless. in Korea it's perfectly acceptable to go after someones looks or for being overweight. and they will blow any little thing way out of proportion. think Minji not knowing what kalguksu was. Knets dragged her over something so trivial.


    they even made karina break up with her boo lol.

    That too depends on the fandom.

    Like some religions, some fandoms are more toxic, irrespective of whether they are native or foreign.


    It is more the 'fandom's nature' than the society's nature.

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    We have always been

    I've been ignorant to our toxicity all these years.


    Probably because I used to spend a lot more time within the safe borders of my fandom (MooMoos) than I do today

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    wtf

    Not making this up. I'm pretty much the only one going at these deranged people on Reddit. They always back down once they realize I don't give a damn about downvotes and threaten to block me like I'll lose sleep over it


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    I dunno Knets are ruthless. in Korea it's perfectly acceptable to go after someones looks or for being overweight. and they will blow any little thing way out of proportion. think Minji not knowing what kalguksu was. Knets dragged her over something so trivial.


    they even made karina break up with her boo lol.

    Oh K-Netizens can be awful too, but it's usually lookism and the typical parasocial bullshit.


    I-Fans seem to actively try to end idols and their fandoms just because.


    The NewJeans hate I've seen started WELL before the MHJ/HYBE war, and the LSF hate was WELL before Coachella as well.

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    I've been ignorant to our toxicity all these years.


    Probably because I used to spend a lot more time within the safe borders of my fandom (MooMoos) than I do today

    Self awareness and acknowledgement are always a first step!


    Ifans judge idols based on Korean and their own cultural parameters, idols basically can't please anyone.

    ~ Retired exol, don't ask me about that group. ~

    Huh. Not sure what happened, but... deja vu flashback :/


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