Why do Onces always brag about Twice's consecutive #1 song streak?

You and rand should get a room

Wow...Twice having 3 songs in that top 10 I didn't know

It's a nice record.

Like YouTube views.

Fans like to brag about their faves.

I think youve made the mistake of thinking these Onces are actually trying to have a cogent argument and would ever be willing to concede on any points.

I don't want to join the argument, but I've always found the #1s in the digital chart really messy. Back then we had downloads that boosted a lot the first week of the songs (we still see it nowadays with artists with big fandoms that are the only ones that keep downloading), so there were many songs that didn't top the streaming charts but were #1 in that digital chart. It was more about timing than about anything else tbh.

If instead of using this digital chart heavily affected by the first week downloads, and instead use Melon or the Circle streaming chart, Twice's streak stops at 4, since Likey never reached #1 in those. SNSD's streak in Melon (since in 2009 we didn't have Gaon) goes up to 7 or 8 songs for example if I'm not wrong, but no one mention those.

The achievements without context change a lot, there you have Yama, feel free to use this to argue around with onces :P

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I like Twice. I just dislike certain fake fans. It's not just rand. He actually doesn't bother me at all. He just doesn't know when to quit while he's behind, which is literally all the time.

I have three to four other names in mind. They know who they are, and we have clashed enough times for it to be obvious.

One of them likes to leave hate comments about other girl groups on the main site.

How about a room with 3-4 then ;)?

We will drop thebadguy in there as your backup - battle royale unmoderated

Isn't Once hibernating fandom? I felt they don't care about what South Korea had to say anymore.

It's a great spirit that every fandom should follow.

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Since I like you, here is evidence of my honest thoughts on Twice

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I'm going to give Twice their flowers for what I feel is their most impressive accomplishment

I've been in a very pensive and reflective mood this week, and my thoughts eventually turned to Twice and what I really find impressive about them.

Honestly, I did not think they were going to make it through contract renewals as a full group. When I saw Mina and Jeongyeon needing to take a break from the group, I assumed there was a 0% they would renew, but they surprised me.

I also thought really hard about it and there have never been any rumors of discord in the group and I don't normally see…

YamaChwan

Nov 8th 2023

I am not a mindless hater. I'm just a truth teller. I will never argue something I don't actually believe.

Nice thread I believe time has shown they truly love what they do and that does form a solid basis of my emotional attachment to them.

I don't know numbers so I can't refute, let me just hope one of the users I think you're probably talking about makes an entrance

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If it's unmoderated like the Megathread, that's 3-4 victims, including thebadguy for his questionable behavior at times.

Nah thebadguy is under shaman protection he will be fine

L take, honestly. I am not even saying this as a Once. The moment you use imaginary scenario like "anyone could do" you lost. Then why didn't they? Do they not want money and success?

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If it's unmoderated like the Megathread, that's 3-4 victims, including thebadguy for his questionable behavior at times.

Man what did i do😭

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I don't want to join the argument, but I've always found the #1s in the digital chart really messy. Back then we had downloads that boosted a lot the first week of the songs (we still see it nowadays with artists with big fandoms that are the only ones that keep downloading), so there were many songs that didn't top the streaming charts but were #1 in that digital chart. It was more about timing than about anything else tbh.

If instead of using this digital chart heavily affected by the first week downloads, and instead use Melon or the Circle streaming chart, Twice's streak stops at 4, since Likey never reached #1 in those. SNSD's streak in Melon (since in 2009 we didn't have Gaon) goes up to 7 or 8 songs for example if I'm not wrong, but no one mention those.

The achievements without context change a lot, there you have Yama, feel free to use this to argue around with onces :P

Usually I agree with your takes but you have been biased lately lol.

Streaming started to have more impact since maybe 2018-19 and again download was still the strongest metric so ofc it affected digital charts.

Now you talk about #1 songs mostly dropped by BG. So I don’t think people take #1 from SVT or NCT seriously

Twice from LOA to Yes or yes are certified platinum in download so they clearly have a strong longevity, there’s no point saying that they only few #1 in streaming when it wasn’t relevant last decade.

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I would get banned if I did that, and I'm not going to do them that favor.

They know who they are. And it's not even just here.

I see it on reddit too. Any time the legacy discussion comes up for girl groups, they always drop that line about 9 consecutive #1s and conspicuously leave out any other context.

Then you look at the numbers and see that only three or four of those songs were really big hits and only two were HUGE hits. And only ONE was the biggest hit of the year.

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Dude it is literally the same for NewJeans, Blackpink, SNSD and everyone else. Hype Boy is and will remain NJ's biggest song of their career and it is a debut song. Yes, their other songs did well but not on that level. And then few steps below there is Ditto. And that's all.

Was going to ignore this one but I am obviously one of the 3-4 onces that you are referring to so let's see:

Highest ULs for GG songs: (top 3 only)

2016:

1. Cheer Up (6.6M)

2. PWF (6.1M)

3. TT (5.7M)

2017:

1. Red Flavor (6.4M)

2. AIIYL (6.4M)

3. Rollin' (5.3M)

If Rollin didn't go viral, it would be KK who replaces it not Yes, I Am.

2018:

1. D4 (6.4M)

2. DTNA (6M)

3. Bboom Bboom (5.5M)

Out of those 9 #1 hits, Twice have seven songs above 5M ULs, most for any GG and 2 above 6M. All these songs are certified platinum for streaming and downloads. It's ridiculous to pretend these songs weren't huge hits. And it's also clear for anyone who doesn't anti TWICE why we choose to write just #1 song instead of putting all the song stats in a comment but you can act obtuse all you want and continue pretending you don't hate Twice.

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Stand down, Minion. I don't want beef with you. Don't you hate most of Twice's music now anyway? You shade them more than I do

I earned the right by fighting blinks for them for years

Also I find it funny how in two days OP went from 'Once trolls' to 'Onces'.. in no time there won't be any Onces in the title but the thread will still be about Twice cuz he is obsessed

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Was going to ignore this one but I am obviously one of the 3-4 onces that you are referring to so let's see:

Highest ULs for GG songs: (top 3 only)

2016:

1. Cheer Up (6.6M)

2. PWF (6.1M)

3. TT (5.7M)

2017:

1. Red Flavor (6.4M)

2. AIIYL (6.4M)

3. Rollin' (5.3M)

If Rollin didn't go viral, it would be KK who replaces it not Yes, I Am.

2018:

1. D4 (6.4M)

2. DTNA (6M)

3. Bboom Bboom (5.5M)

Out of those 9 #1 hits, Twice have seven songs above 5M ULs, most for any GG and 2 above 6M. All these songs are certified platinum for streaming and downloads. It's ridiculous to pretend these songs weren't huge hits. And it's also clear for anyone who doesn't anti TWICE why we choose to write just #1 song instead of putting all the song stats in a comment but you can act obtuse all you want and continue pretending you don't hate Twice.

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Cheer Up, TT, What is Love and DTNA were definitely huge hits. The rest can be argues but these ones definitely are. Even YOY did very well in Korea despite not being my fav song.

And Feel Special, tho not a hit got pretty iconic in a way that many people cover it, it is definitely a song that will be remembered and performed by future generations of idols. Needless to say it flopped very bad on charts initially but through the years it got close to 100 million streams on Melon, which shows that people have been discovering and listening to it.

Quite the achievement. Congratulations TWICE!!

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Usually I agree with your takes but you have been biased lately lol.

Streaming started to have more impact since maybe 2018-19 and again download was still the strongest metric so ofc it affected digital charts.

Now you talk about #1 songs mostly dropped by BG. So I don’t think people take #1 from SVT or NCT seriously

Twice from LOA to Yes or yes are certified platinum in download so they clearly have a strong longevity, there’s no point saying that they only few #1 in streaming when it wasn’t relevant last decade.

Yeah I agree with you, actually I was the one defending downloads the most back then as the best way to measure success of the songs.

My point is that they were frontloaded though, in Likey's case for example, the week before it was released we had Love Story getting 310k downloads, then the 2nd week dropped to 110k. Likey got 210k so it charted higher than Love Story, but it had lower streamings. Actually these weren't even the #1 song in streams! It was Melomance's Gift, which was a riser that was getting downloads steadily instead of getting them all in the first week, so even while being clearly #1 in Melon and in streams it was pushed back in the digital chart.

That's what I meant regarding how timing was more important, and I don't want to underrate Twice's achievement. Actually if people were mentioning how they didn't get 9 consecutive #1s, but 10 consecutive hits (adding LOA) it would make more sense to me. My complain is about how the record (which is indeed a record) is used without context, to me it's like if people were saying Ditto is the biggest song ever in korea for being the longest #1, context is as important or more than the achievement.

Ofc it's not the same as SVT or NCT now since back then downloads were frontloaded but all the songs were getting a decent amount, and now it's just fandoms downloading so the difference they make is way bigger.

And to end just to point out that I think Signal doesn't have the plat cert, and I don't agree with streams not being relevant last decade. They were super important and Melon was always the most followed chart, it's just that downloads were also there so it made it a 50/50 or maybe 60/40 situation when you wanted to measure success, unlike now that is 99/1.

We can't agree always and I might be a bit biased sometimes though, I try not to be but it's impossible to avoid always.

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Thank you. These are the numbers I wanted. And you literally made my point for me.

How many times did Twice have the top song of the year in their now almost ten years career?

ONCE. JUST ONCE.

Another girl group hit outperformed their release every either year, either in the year itself or eventually over time, like AIIYL and Red Flavor.

Your protest makes sense if I had made the argument the songs were all flops outside of CU, TT and KK, but it's undeniable those are EASILY the biggest songs of their career.

A lot of Onces try to deceive people with the 9 song streak.

A BLACKPINK B-Side was a bigger hit than all of those songs.

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And how many times did MMM have the top performing song? ZERO.

Loud and wrong. KK isn't even a top 5 Twice song. DTNA, WIL, LOA and YOY are all bigger songs and numbers show that.

What you did here is similar to RV fans on Twitter lmao. Sneak in BP cuz your own favs can't compete with Twice. Forever Young isn't bigger than more than half of Twice #1s but it is certainly bigger than anything that BP released from 2019 onwards sans HYLT and LSG.

Hilarious how he's coming for Twice by saying FY is bigger than most of their hits as if he doesn't have Starry Night in top 3 for 2018 when that song has less ULs than both DTNA and FY

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DTNA surprises me. The song simply was not that big in 2018. It wasn't top 3 for Digital Weekly Index peak and it finished behind 3 other girl group songs. When did this song get enough legs to close the gap on those bigger songs? Well I'll acknowledge its longevity, but Bboom Bboom, D4 and Starry Night were absolutely the biggest songs DURING 2018 and probably for a year or two after.

DTNA was really big since the beginning, the problem is that it started having to face DDDD and Way back home that were even bigger. DTNA in other situation could have topped for weeks and it stayed in the top 10 the same amount of weeks as AIIYL and RF.

To the overall streams it also helped it became a "summer song" so it rose in 2019 and it rises to around the top 200 all the years like also RF and AIIYL, if it wasn't for that those 3 songs would probably be a step lower.