What do you think is the single most important measurement of success for a K-Pop group?

  • If you had to choose one metric of success as the most important, which would it be? 59

    1. Touring (36) 61%
    2. Other (10) 17%
    3. Charting and Streaming (Digitals) (7) 12%
    4. Brand deals, CFs and public recognition (think Suzy levels of popularity) (5) 8%
    5. Album Sales (1) 2%

    So think about the question in this context.


    If your favorite group could be the industry best and leader in one category, and you had the power to choose which category, which would it be?


    I will include options in the poll :pepe-notes:

  • So think about the question in this context.


    If your favorite group could be the industry best and leader in one category, and you had the power to choose which category, which would it be?


    I will include options in the poll :pepe-notes:

    In payola times the only true measurement is touring. Entertainments can't fake a real life audience yet

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  • Touring has some relevance to GP appeal but cmon, does anyone think Backstreet Boys touring in their 40s is somehow relevant to their GP popularity now? :sweat: . Folks going to them are fans of them from when they were younger, no 16 year old kid has posters of them on their walls. Same with rock bands like Rolling Stones and all my fave 80s bands that somehow still do tours in rando nightclubs and theaters.


    Twice, BTS and BP can sell 40-60k tix here in the US for one stadium show, much more than Olivia, Ariana, Weeknd, but cmon, do folks really think our fave GG idols are more popular than these local acts in the US? :pepe-hips:

  • Touring has some relevance to GP appeal but cmon, does anyone think Backstreet Boys touring in their 40s is somehow relevant to their GP popularity now? :sweat: . Folks going to them are fans of them from when they were younger, no 16 year old kid has posters of them on their walls. Same with rock bands like Rolling Stones and all my fave 80s bands that somehow still do tours in rando nightclubs and theaters.


    Twice, BTS and BP can sell 40-60k tix here in the US for one stadium show, much more than Olivia, Ariana, Weeknd, but cmon, do folks really think our fave GG idols are more popular than these local acts in the US? :pepe-hips:

    Based on the poll results, yes. Yes, they do.

  • Touring has some relevance to GP appeal but cmon, does anyone think Backstreet Boys touring in their 40s is somehow relevant to their GP popularity now? :sweat: . Folks going to them are fans of them from when they were younger, no 16 year old kid has posters of them on their walls. Same with rock bands like Rolling Stones and all my fave 80s bands that somehow still do tours in rando nightclubs and theaters.


    Twice, BTS and BP can sell 40-60k tix here in the US for one stadium show, much more than Olivia, Ariana, Weeknd, but cmon, do folks really think our fave GG idols are more popular than these local acts in the US? :pepe-hips:

    where does it say u.s on the poll?

    popular and success doesnt have to go together

    my high school friend is more popular than me. im more wealthier tho

    are your rando rock bands and backstreet boys a kpop group

  • i think it depends on what you see as succesful?


    from the listed options, i would say touring. You can only manipulate it to a certain extend and it also clearly shows the different levels of succes.


    but if you see GP relevance as succesful, i would say "how known is your name/brand".

    you can be known in the kpop bubble, the stan culture bubble, casuals or real locals. people don't have to like you or even know a lot about you. if they have heard about you, it says a lot about your succes imo (with Michael Jackson being the top of the scale).

  • Touring has some relevance to GP appeal but cmon, does anyone think Backstreet Boys touring in their 40s is somehow relevant to their GP popularity now? :sweat: . Folks going to them are fans of them from when they were younger, no 16 year old kid has posters of them on their walls. Same with rock bands like Rolling Stones and all my fave 80s bands that somehow still do tours in rando nightclubs and theaters.


    Twice, BTS and BP can sell 40-60k tix here in the US for one stadium show, much more than Olivia, Ariana, Weeknd, but cmon, do folks really think our fave GG idols are more popular than these local acts in the US? :pepe-hips:

    Yeah if you have only tiktok hits and can’t tour you aren’t successful this isn’t hard to understand.


    Success doesn’t just mean how famous/infamous you are.

  • I always find funny the disregard to music success, we're in the music industry. Gonna try to make some points but this is just my opinion after all.


    For me it's digital sales, because it's the legacy the artist leave. Yes in the short run money is always the most important thing, but in the long run the success of the music is always what people remember the most. If Sistar are remembered as legends and no one ever talks anymore about for example U-Kiss or even groups that were considered pretty big 10 years ago like Infinite, is because their music didn't leave a big relevant impact unlike Sistar's. I'm pretty sure Sistar's members are really proud of themselves when they see summer coming and all their songs rise on the charts and see people playing them every year. Also, if you are a digital monster you will for sure be wealthy enough and have decent numbers in other aspects too, you might not be as rich as other groups that can tour more but I'd personally prefer it. It depends on what people value more or what you consider to be "succesful"


    For people that only care about money, I have no idea why they put touring above CFs and public recognition. I don't have the exact numbers but touring only applies to the groups while they're active as groups, the public recognition change the artist' whole career. If Jennie, to put an example, is going to be a wealthy person for all her life, is not because of the tours she has done with BP but because of the popularity she got and the brand deals she has and she's going to have for years even after BP disbands. Touring might make more money now (And I'm not sure about this because when you see some reports idols make a crazy amount of money with other projects), but if you care about the ARTIST the popularity of the artists, as a person, and not the group, will always be more important because the person will continue there, the group might not.


    Not exactly the point of the topic but related with the point above and regarding idols' lifes, sometimes I have the feeling that fandoms act like if they're the CEO of a company instead of actual fans. The one that benefit the most out of the groups' success is always the company. We've seen how members of insanely popular groups had to look for solo projects after the groups are not active anymore. For example Yoona and Hyoyeon were both in SNSD and obviously toured together but if we could compare now their bank accounts... Well I don't think I need to explain it lol. I understand people are proud that their favs can make huge tours and indeed it's going to help them a lot but I think we don't have the proper perspective to analyze all this, I'm not sure if that is going to make a really big impact on idols' life.


    Edit: I really think many people voting for touring just vote because it's what their favs are currently doing lol.

    Edited once, last by uwuwu-98 ().

  • The revenue an artist makes for their label might be the most relevenant stat in kpop, at least for the industry.


    For fans though I'd say it always changes depending on the context of the discussion. Whatever measurement of success they can use most effectively and easily to win a specific argument will be the most important one; so basically it can be anything.

  • Stans of rival groups/artists trying to sabotage you.

    Lmao, you might have a point.


    I don't think you can put one definitive metric anyway, since everyone will say:


    "What is selling albums without streams?" "What are streams without making money from touring/albums?" "What is touring without engagement and interest on social media?"


    Your metric someone transcends this.

  • I almost regret not making this public.


    I find it funny how digitals has only 2 votes, but absolutely nothing causes as much rage, drama and hit threads as arguments over how well or poorly a group is doing with their charting and streaming.


    IVE, LSF and aespa are all touring. Not a word really. Maybe one thread for each at most.


    LSF and IVE has a slow start when they release their latest albums? Doomposters come out the woodworks and there are a dozen threads claiming they're in their flop era.

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