Lesserafim, Itzy, Gidle, Ive and Aespa are doing Gfriend, Mamamoo and Dreamcatcher numbers, do we have to worry?

The premise of this thread sucks.

Also Mamamoo's popularity has never been correlated to their YouTube views ever.

Any of these groups should be happy to peak as high as Mamamoo did during their strongest years.

Streams are literally the last thing these groups have to care about

Ask any of these groups if they rather have 300m streams on music platforms or sold out concerts and 1m copies sold, all of them will answer the latter in a heartbeat.

I mean, Cupid was the most streamed kpop song of the year and look how it turned out...

Dude it’s really not the gotcha that you think it is like you just compared new releases to a 3 year old song and a one year old song

Take Gidle out of that list. Their actual comeback this year, which was Queendom is sitting at above 200 million.

Perfect Night was also not really a comeback.

Aespa, like all SM groups, always had kinda weak Youtube views.

Baddie is truly tragic tho.

None of the numbers are a cause for concern, in fact perfect night is quickly becoming lsrfm's best performing song on spotify. Idle's song shouldn't even be here, it's not comparable to promoted korean comebacks (see how well queencard performed). Frankly I'm just surprised cake is doing that well with how their comeback was received . Drama was literally released a month ago give it time to rack up streams

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I know but let's also include them because a top girl group like them shouldn't been doing this badly at their peak

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In that case

YouTube is nonsense, as even a 6 year old can bot it.

Spotify "ballpark" shows you their current global rankings, but for more accuracy divide by the number of weeks the song has been released.

1. lsf

2. aespa

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3. ive, gidle, itzy

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What's your opinion about ive 3 singles era performance?

They have underperformed internationally (I AM got 100 million streams in under 3 month and it's already been nearly 2 months for baddie), but they're as strong as ever in korea (#3, #14 and #33 on melon daily rn).

I don't think it'll affect them in the long run (hopefully)

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What's your opinion about ive 3 singles era performance?

Currrent era, they pulled 2/3 of digital korean sajaegi budget and put it into album overshipping budget.

But why are we comparing songs released 1 month ago or less to 2020 songs again?

PN and Drama will rank up streams on to next year, they are hits.

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wait sajaegi? What are you referring to?

you don't know kakao payola

Dude is trying to tell us that 4gen doesn’t have an impact because we told him in other thread that 5gen doesn’t have significant achievements to make them a different generation, all these numbers that you brought means that 4gen groups is successful, Le sserafim promo for perfect night wasn’t that long and it’s charting at number one on melon as full english song and it doesn’t happen often for K-pop groups to have a nun Korean song to take the number spot, all those comparisons that you brought are weak as hell ,what do you mean a group is relevant because they have 50 million streams on Spotify after 3 years, also all these 4th gen groups you mentioned have proven to not only be a huge album sellers but also they have the capacity to hold concerts at big venues with ease with all these metrics yes 4gen has popularity and you can cry about it.

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But why are we comparing songs released 1 month ago or less to 2020 songs again?

I guess to Op it make sense to compare a song that was released last month to a song released three years ago to him both are on the same level of popularity

What are the numbers of Newjeans? i want to compare my faves with the top, not with other places like Aespa.

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Are you confusing me with someone else? What tf are you talking about??

On this thread in the 3rd page it’s you right

Thread

Seeing 5th generation records posts on twitter is kinda hilarious

its so empty that its funny

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thebadguy

Dec 4th 2023

Saying current ggs are pooling sad numbers

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You guys are trying so hard to not understand the thread, the gfriend, mamamoo and dreamcatcher numbers are just for a comparison, top girl groups doing 25M in anything or taking weeks to cross 50M of streams are very bad results.

Go argue with the wall then

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You guys are trying so hard to not understand the thread, the gfriend, mamamoo and dreamcatcher numbers are just for a comparison, top girl groups doing 25M in anything or taking weeks to cross 50M of streams are very bad results.

Not really, for example 50 million streams in a month is an average of 1.6 million streams a day which is above average for most groups.

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Not really, for example 50 million streams in a month is an average of 1.6 million streams a day which is above average for most groups.

^ for the higher ranked groups globally. Some there are currently lower, maybe sub 1 million/day. e.g. Baddie ~650,000/day.

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Yeah in spotify those numbers are good, not so much on youtube, but the thing is outside the big youtube heavy hitters and outside big hits most videos do the majority of their streams in the first 100 days. Some of those songs already saw most of their streams and the numbers won't increase that much.

What you said about youtube is true, a song that came to mind is Jin's the astronaut. Today it crossed milestones on both youtube and spotify: 300 million streams on spotify while only 100 million on youtube. Do people just not watch MVs anymore? Videos that used to average 400-500k daily streams last year now do 200-300k (This refers to certain MVs that I used to check periodically and that have been out for years and so have had time to stabilize). It seems youtube streaming is down across the board for all kpop MVs except Gangnam Style.

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^ for the higher ranked groups globally. Some there are currently lower, maybe sub 1 million/day. e.g. Baddie ~650,000/day.

650k daily streams after 2 months is pretty good though? IVE are underperforming in regards to their previous singles.

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What you said about youtube is true, a song that came to mind is Jin's the astronaut. Today it crossed milestones on both youtube and spotify: 300 million streams on spotify while only 100 million on youtube. Do people just not watch MVs anymore? Videos that used to average 400-500k daily streams last year now do 200-300k (This refers to certain MVs that I used to check periodically and that have been out for years and so have had time to stabilize). It seems youtube streaming is down across the board for all kpop MVs except Gangnam Style.

I don’t know what happened with yt but nowadays streams are higher than views.

The OP numbers are confusing. What is being compared here, what the groups had in views and stream count after the first month of a song release, or the views and streams of songs that are years old vs a few weeks old?

Because if it's that last one, then it makes no sense.

Views and streams aren't like album sales: they'll keep increasing after the first month, because people will listen more than once to a song if they like it, and they'll do that after the first month.

as usual

numbers don't lie but it's how one interprets those numbers that matter

OP you keep saying it's for comparison purposes but you can't since those aren't comparable

you know when people say things like apples to apples oranges to oranges? you're trying to compare apples to oranges...

if you are able to find the numbers compare

3year old songs to another 3 year old song

or 1-2 month old songs to 1-2month old songs

those are comparable

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You guys are trying so hard to not understand the thread, the gfriend, mamamoo and dreamcatcher numbers are just for a comparison, top girl groups doing 25M in anything or taking weeks to cross 50M of streams are very bad results.

Youtube views have been slow unless ads are used. IVE didnt use ads this round

And to achieve 50m streams within a month, that is BTS or BP level which average 1.7mil per day (put you on global top 200 for straight 300 days). I dont think realistic to expect that

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Yeah in spotify those numbers are good, not so much on youtube, but the thing is outside the big youtube heavy hitters and outside big hits most videos do the majority of their streams in the first 100 days. Some of those songs already saw most of their streams and the numbers won't increase that much.

I wonder do you even understand what you just said.

Songs like perfect night, drama, baddie are just out less than 2 months. They will continue to rack up views since they are still within 100 days like you have assumed to have "majority of streams".

Hence,this would put them at even better position to outdo those 3-year MVs you have used for comparison. So what's your point?

Flop era

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I know but let's also include them because a top girl group like them shouldn't been doing this badly at their peak

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I'm an avid fan and even I couldn't stand that album. I'm going to be honest, it was not good. I couldn't even loop the song sound on or I might go crazy. Gidle's main selling point is their music, not visuals etc. It's hard to hold your place with a bad song. Hopefully the next album we see more of gidle's work. No more 88rising. They botched this comeback with subpar music.

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Yeah in spotify those numbers are good, not so much on youtube, but the thing is outside the big youtube heavy hitters and outside big hits most videos do the majority of their streams in the first 100 days. Some of those songs already saw most of their streams and the numbers won't increase that much.

Wut? Do you know maths?

Perfect Night has FORTY FOUR more months to accumulate streams if you're comparing it to Scream lmao. Scream has been out for 46 months already and has 50M streams. Perfect Night has been out 1.5 months and has 69M streams already and is still averaging 1.5M per day.

Even if avg streams fell to a catastrophic low of 320k per day over the next 44.5 months, Perfect Night would have over 500 MILLION streams after 46 months lmao.