I remember that for many many years Youtube views were like the holy grail of kpop group achievements. And that's despite many people being aware that the view count was plagued by bots and ads. However, the narrative suddenly changed that Youtube views didn't matter at all. My guess is that there was a lot of denial about ads until there was a breaking point were fandoms couldn't deny it, so they all gave up on it.
Why were YouTube achievements so important but then suddenly it didn't mean anything?
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I remember that for many many years Youtube views were like the holy grail of kpop group achievements. And that's despite many people being aware that the view count was plagued by bots and ads. However, the narrative suddenly changed that Youtube views didn't matter at all. My guess is that there was a lot of denial about ads until there was a breaking point were fandoms couldn't deny it, so they all gave up on it.
Because of three things:
1) YT views for a 3min video don't pay that much, think hundreds instead of thousands of dollars
2) You can buy a whole ad of 3min to play your video which adds to the views
3) YT still has no idea how to market itself, and they have Google as a parent company
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YouTube didn't mean anything to me even when Dynamite broke all records. I've held that stance since 2018 and it hasn't changed. It used to be a big deal during the second gen because it was an area kpop acts never excelled at before. Esp with their western peers. But now that kpop excels at it and YouTube changed its algorithm, people are moving over to Spotify now and the cycle will repeat itself until some new area kpop doesn't excel at props up.
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Western fans are the ones forcing this by not listening to music on youtube. Everyone is now rich so they want to pay for streaming services. Billboard charts also implemented a rule in 2018 that paid streams weigh more than free. The change just happened like that over the years for kpop with fans urging fellow fans to use these services.
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Ads.
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Alphabet can suck mine
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bc most groups cant achieve real numbers there without manipulating them
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Bc nobody except BP and BTS are bringing big numbers so "irrelevant".
I still think is important, not the most obviously, but to BP where the views are "OrGaNiC" etc it's a good metric.
I do agree that was also important.
Because both BTS and BP destroyed the view counts.
And it was clear that it can't be beat.
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Alphabet can suck mine
in sincerity, youtube's ad system means those who do get good number have a good chance of making those numbers because of their hyper-effective advertisement machine.
The views are not differentiated between organic and inorganic views either so the data is muddy at best.
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It only matters when my faves get high views.
Is a shit metric when your faves get high views.
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As someone who used YT everyday to watch my fave yt's/ listen to music ( i dont use YT music, i just use basic yt lmao)
I think if you look at something from a gaming perspective 20 millions views is crucial and shos how big of a following someone has, when it comes to kpop, 20 Million views is low down on the popularity scale ( like your in the middle of popularity and nugu) as compared to over 100M views is something people will notice
Views on YT vids depend on the target audience
your right though, Yt sucks at marketing themselves
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As someone who used YT everyday to watch my fave yt's/ listen to music ( i dont use YT music, i just use basic yt lmao)
I think if you look at something from a gaming perspective 20 millions views is crucial and shos how big of a following someone has, when it comes to kpop, 20 Million views is low down on the popularity scale ( like your in the middle of popularity and nugu) as compared to over 100M views is something people will notice
Views on YT vids depend on the target audience
your right though, Yt sucks at marketing themselves
compare it to streamers as well. 20 mil views is a big achievement for a streamer on YT.
But for music it's different because it's also available everywhere else.
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yeah. lets blame blinks. they ruined it for all the others.
please blinks streams other groups like my faves. so we get more diversity and youtube views will be an important meassure again.
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yeah. lets blame blinks. they ruined it for all the others.
please blinks streams other groups like my faves. so we get more diversity and youtube views will be an important meassure again.
I have tried
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compare it to streamers as well. 20 mil views is a big achievement for a streamer on YT.
But for music it's different because it's also available everywhere else.
idk how streamers live
i could not dedicate hours and hours and hours of streaming
it aint worth it
id only stream just to talk to my audiunce for awhile lol
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Ads basically neutered the significance of views. It's not really impressive if a good few 10s of millions of views are ads which in turn inflate actual views.
Unlike with mass streaming the actual companies can buy their own ads and are incentivised too because they earn money back from total views.
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Because now that the algorithm changed it's nearly impossible to break previous records? idk honestly
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Ads. To give you one example. In the first 8 days last itzy comeback, chesire, had 15.9m organic views and the view count showed over 40m. Over 24m were ads. Bragging about views when they are heavily inflated is stupid. Unless you are bts and bp but both armys and blinks have moved on to other paying platforms
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Ads. To give you one example. In the first 8 days last itzy comeback, chesire, had 15.9m organic views and the view count showed over 40m. Over 24m were ads. Bragging about views when they are heavily inflated is stupid. Unless you are bts and bp but both armys and blinks have moved on to other paying platforms
Youtube chart show it pretty well how many views groups actually got
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Ads basically neutered the significance of views. It's not really impressive if a good few 10s of millions of views are ads which in turn inflate actual views.
Unlike with mass streaming the actual companies can buy their own ads and are incentivised too because they earn money back from total views.
This.
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Youtube chart show it pretty well how many views groups actually got
Yes, i was checking the official YouTube chart. Also, how did you get that list? How do i sort it to get only kpop and first weeks :D
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Yes, i was checking the official YouTube chart. Also, how did you get that list? How do i sort it to get only kpop and first weeks :D
I made this list myself months ago. I picked it from my older thread.
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youtube "achievements" never mattered.
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I made this list myself months ago. I picked it from my older thread.
Oh, okay, i thought there was an easy way to get the numbers :)
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Oh, okay, i thought there was an easy way to get the numbers :)
Well I made it easy for you
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Well I made it easy for you
Only girl groups tho
I'll check later antifragile numbers, source music uses ads -
Only girl groups tho
I'll check later antifragile numbers, source music uses adsI check it out antifragile 13,6m and same week was gidle nxde 17,3m
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I check it out antifragile 13,6m and same week was gidle nxde 17,3m
Thank you so much
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fans of groups that can´t achieve big numbers are the one pushing the "youtube views don´t count anymore"
but we know the truth
youtube views are still important
cos there is so much youtube adds a company can buy...if you have more than 200 M, you made at least 150 M with real views.
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yeah. lets blame blinks. they ruined it for all the others.
please blinks streams other groups like my faves. so we get more diversity and youtube views will be an important meassure again.
i truly don´t think is all blinks work
BP happends to have a lot of casual viewers too, and that adds lots of views.
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i truly don´t think is all blinks work
BP happends to have a lot of casual viewers too, and that adds lots of views.
maybe they have a lot of casual listener. but maybe the other half of the streams are made by hardcoreblink and kirishiki.
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Bc nobody except BP and BTS are bringing big numbers so "irrelevant".
I still think is important, not the most obviously, but to BP where the views are "OrGaNiC" etc it's a good metric.
music shows use them so they are
its not bp or bts fault no group has their reach
also like somoene post above, yt chart show when groups use ads so they can "fake until u mke it" unlike other platfroms
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companies started overdoing the ads thing
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Youtube records have always been bottom of the barrel
Like, BTS has many youtube records but they were never their their most impressive achievements. I mean, its already impressive that they got "clean" youtube records when all the other record-holders were exposed by cheating and buying views...
However, even if it is impressive that BTS never used cheap antics, there are still more relevant achievements out there for them
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