I don't get why (G) idle is not the top 4 gen , like why ?

  • My opinions :

    - Their vocal skills are one of the best with minni and miyeon

    - They also have a good rapper and a songwriter like soyeon

    - Their dance is not hard but very aesthetic

    - Their visual is good, not the best levels but they are charismatic

    - Their concept is never boring, they change every time ... they can do all the concepts

    - They also have foreign members who come from China

    - They have a lot of successful songs and they make bop after bop

    - They are the most stable 4gen in chart


    Why are they not at the top?


    AKP opinions :


    - Voices are average nothing special

    - only soyeon stands out but she can't be an hit girl because girl doesn't have THE face

    - their dance is not catchy

    - They don't have a hit song, tomboy is their first hit after their debut

    - They don't care about music, only in visual ( a visual that apparently they don't even have)

    - And They aged compared to 4 gen


    My opinion of them is maybe overstated. But i'm shocked how akp sees gidle, 90% have nothing good to say about them

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  • Gurl their vocal skills as a group are not “just behind” mamamoo lol what sort of delusion is this 💀 don’t know if you actually stan mamamoo or only solo stan wheein but you should educate yourself more on their level of talents and skills before disrespecting them like this 💀

  • well the top generally implies top in the metrics


    ie. album sales, K charting, international charting, streaming (spotify and YT?), touring, merch? (maybe there's others)


    and for album sales I think they are beaten by other groups like I don't have the exact numbers but their recent album sold less than 250K? which is really impressive for a GG I think but certainly not comparable to the likes of Aespa at over (what??? 1.6m???) or Itzy with presales of like 700K???

  • They are not from Big 3 AND they dont have IT girl. They are talented and have quality song but they couldnt get the support


    Soyeon is talented but she doesnt meet knetizen's visual standard. Miyeon is pretty but she is less interesting than the others, at least she is being appreciated visually (and she has great voice imo). Minnie is SEA and u see how badly Lisa is treated then u know Minnie is never going to hit big. Yuqi is popular but she will not be IT girl cause she is Chinese. Same goes to Shuhua (taiwaneze i know the distinction) and people always think she is the weak link in the group.

  • for now the most stable 4th gen GG is IVE

    they have 0 flops 2 singles releases and both smashed their members are all liked and Wonyoung is the 4th Gen IT GIRL. Let's see what will happen in August to them but if they smash again they will have the physical and the digitals including the spotify and ww appeal

    agree with this...


    - Their vocal skills are one of the best, they are just behind Mamamoo

    I stan both groups and I disagree.. maybe you haven't heard Mamamoo's live singing.. I don't think G-Idle comparable to them.


    watch this video if you want to know how superior Mamamoo's vocal skills is

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  • Gurl their vocal skills as a group are not “just behind” mamamoo lol what sort of delusion is this 💀 don’t know if you actually stan mamamoo or only solo stan wheein but you should educate yourself more on their level of talents and skills before disrespecting them like this 💀

    I don't see how I disrespect them ,

    You don't know anything about me and who is my bias in mamamo... I don't need a lesson from an Akgaes 💀 GET OUT

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  • I don't see how I disrespect them ,

    You don't know anything about me and who is my bias in mamamo... I don't need a lesson from an Akgaes 💀 GET OUT

    um do you know what akgae even means or are you just brandishing out that insult bc it’s a trendy word lol 💀 but yes as someone who just defended mamamoo’s skills as a whole group I’m definitely an akgae who by definition hates an entire group aside from their bias in that group - that totally makes sense 😂

  • agree with this...


    I stan both groups and I disagree.. maybe you haven't heard Mamamoo's live singing.. I don't think G-Idle comparable to them.


    watch this video if you want to know how superior Mamamoo's vocal skills is

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    Who said they were comparable, I just said that they were behind

    my god Allkpop users is so sensitive

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  • The most stable 4th gen gg how ? Hwaa, oh my god, senorita etc ... Flopped on the chart

    Tomboy is their first real hit


    I like the group music , they always bop since day 1 but i never got interested in stanning them because none of the members seem really fun and wants you to get into the group

    They lack of a stan attractor


    Also i have to disagree about vocals , minnie and miyeon are good singer but they seem pretty weak when you compare them to other gg


    Also soyeon is the one who's the most promoted and exposed and she's their center but even her doesn't seem to be the most popular in the fandom and even if she's the center and really charismatic

    I don't think she do a really good job in the sens that usually center are the one playing the role of stan attractor and she doesn't seem to attract a lot of fans when you compare to other 4th gen center like ryujin, wonyoung, karina etc...

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  • um do you know what akgae even means or are you just brandishing out that insult bc it’s a trendy word lol 💀 but yes as someone who just defended mamamoo’s skills as a whole group I’m definitely an akgae who by definition hates an entire group aside from their bias in that group - that totally makes sense 😂

    no one is direspecting the girls and no one compare them , I said " behind " and behind means second ...

    If you don't get that or you're too sensitive , it's not my fault

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  • Also soyeon is the one who's the most promoted and exposed and she's their center but even her doesn't seem to be the most popular in the fandom and even if she's the center and really charismatic

    I don't think she do a really good job in the sens that usually center are the one playing the role of stan attractor and she doesn't seem to attract a lot of fans when you compare to other 4th gen center like ryujin, wonyoung, karina etc...

    because she is not considered visual

  • they don't capture any of the main criteria people care about.


    I'll be direct, people really don't care about talent that much, unless you're an expert in dancing, singing, etc an idol just had to be good enough to not be bad for the majority of fans. Plus things like auto tune and controlled staging makes up for it.


    The other issue is you can't measure talent objectively. If maybe there's a way to chart talent, like this idol has a talent level of x and y, at least then you'll be able to attract the success stans but unfortunately, Tomboy happened too late. The old fans already committed to a 3rd gen group of their liking and the new fans priorities in newer 4th group who are younger and has more life in their contract.


    The other thing is we sometimes underestimate the importance of visuals and stan attractors. There's one thing almost all the top groups have in common, they have at least one very strong visual. Not saying they're not attractive but even you mentioned, they're not at the same level as the other groups.


    So right now they're not winning the success stans over, which makes up a good portion of fans, many bandwagon. They're not winning the visual stans over which makes up the other major portion of fans.


    Then your left with fans who's really in it for the music and talent but we already know this is only a small portion of kpop fans. Their concept isn't exactly the most gp friendly either. I'm speaking this as a Dreamcatcher fan and most the points I've mentioned also applies too. Full of talent but non gp friendly concept, no key visuals, not trendy and successful enough, so they get grouped into a niche to mid fan base that likely won't ever break away from

  • aespa and NMIXX have better vocals. (Overall, GIDLE's vocals don't seem that great to me. They're fine but not best in gen or even great).

    Itzy have better dancers and performers.

    Ive has a cohesive package (they're solid in all areas although they don't excel in any of them IMO and very polished.)


    4th gen gg is a highly competitive space and that's not even counting NMIXX with the right song or Les Sserafim without the scandal. GIDLE is one of the most streamed kpop groups on Spotify, even before Tomboy, so it feels like they could be their gen's RV? Very successful and continuing to make hits but not always included in the "top" discussion.

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  • no one is direspecting the girls and no one compare them , I said " behind " and behind means second ...

    If you don't get that or you're too sensitive , it's not my fault

    gurl I didn’t say you think mamamoo and gidle are of the same level of skills. You didn’t understand my point at all lol. Also love how you completely ignored when I pointed out your ridiculous and nonsensical accusation that i’m an “akgae” of the group 😂

  • because she is not considered visual

    It's not the point


    Nancy is the center of momoland and their visual but she's doing a bad job to attract fans in comparison of Jooe who doesn't fit korean standard but still attract most fans of momoland and tend to overshadow nancy as the center


    VIXX N was the member who was consider the least attractive by the fan and gp but he was the center and the most popular member and attract a lot of fans


    Naeun is the visual and center but eunji was always the one who seem to attract the most fans even if she's not consider very attractive visually



    I can go on and on about center who doesn't do a good job at being good stan attractor and even being overshadow by members who aren't consider very attractive imo you can be very charismatic that doesn't make you a very good stan attractor and soyeon is in this case


    Some people just have this energy, vibe that makes that even if you don't find them attractive or else, there's something about them who makes you know more about them

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  • Re: Charting


    Senorita had 213k ULs, UH-OH, 214k Uls, Lion 227k ULs. Their lowest charting song is Hwaa with 173K ULS.


    Are they Tomboy hits? No. But each release has been pretty respectable and garnered a good user base, not even listing Genie (their strongest chart). I wouldn't say their Top like the OP, because they kind of transcend the whole IVE/AESPA/ITZY battle, but they've been very consistent.


    I feel like people have no idea how hard it is to be that consistent every time. They aren't Big 3 and they self-produce. They consistently get to top 30. They've been the tortoise in the race whilst all the other hares have zoomed past and then fell off.


    I think the user above who compared them to RV (as a measure of success) is quite right. They quietly are always underestimated but built a strong discography and listening base. They'll be 2nd/3rd in most lists and that's fine. They focus far more on music then any of the "Top" groups.


    They sold 420 albums on their first day. They were basically unheralded. They dont' have Big 3, or a massive produce group member buffing their group from pre-debut. OP is a dumb setup but people are making up shit to push back against them too.


    gurl I didn’t say you think mamamoo and gidle are of the same level of skills.

    They both have levels of skills better than the other. Mamamoo are the better singers, everyone knows that. Idle obviously have the better rapper. Each have their own strengths.


    They are honestly both kind of similar - non big 3/4, focusing far more on music then their peers. Generally an older fan demographic too.


    OP would have been more accurate with vocal colour, obviously subjective, but Idle's strongest vocal point is the very different tones that make up their vocals.

  • gurl I didn’t say you think mamamoo and gidle are of the same level of skills. You didn’t understand my point at all lol. Also love how you completely ignored when I pointed out your ridiculous and nonsensical accusation that i’m an “akgae” of the group 😂

    First , I get your point ...Mamamoo is too good to be mentioned, even make someone behind them is so so disrespectful ,I really have no education to put their names and g idle names in the same sentence

    And second, I consider an akgae someone who thinks that putting someone behind their fave is an insult


    And finally, you can give your opinion by saying " you don't agree or they are not good " but you choose to sit on people like that saying that they have no education

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  • First , I get your point ...Mamamoo is too good to be mentioned, even make someone behind them is so so disrespectful ,I really have no education to put their names and g idle names in the same sentence

    And second, I consider an akgae someone who thinks that putting someone behind their fave is an insult


    And finally, you can give your opinion by saying " you don't agree or they are not good " but you choose to sit on people like that saying that they have no education

    um yeah thanks for the confirmation that you had absolutely no idea what akgae actually means lol you can’t just make up new meanings for words and apply them as you see fit and expect people to immediately understand or accept it like :pepe-cringe:

    and if you were a complete stranger I would’ve taken a different approach but since i’ve seen your threads before and you yourself have admitted that you don’t know mamamoo very well in a reply to me in one of your threads I don’t think it’s egregious to draw the conclusion you definitely had little knowledge about them to make such claims like in this thread and that one thread lol

  • That's like lots of estimates and assumptions there. And none of the groups u have mentioned was really contender for top group of their gen and didn't have much fans and interests, so its hard to make conclusion. Also things are whole different for boygroups, people have much less obsession with visuals in boygroups than girlgroups. There are some examples. For example GD being most popular in BB. Eunji is popular than Naeun because she starred main roles in kdramas right away and won several awards for it while Naeun was only having support roles. And she is vocal powerhouse, just too talented too flop there and I don't think she was much of a visual hole. Nancy, Jooe and Yeonwoo (former member) all were equally popular i think. And Nancy was mixed, i always used to see hate comments from knetz bodyshaming her being thick, her nasty behaviour at music show etc. I feel like it ruined her.


    Soyeon is literally one of the most charismatic idols. She is up there with Hyuna, CL, Hwasa etc. The attitude, the stage presence, the confidene, the aura etc. If there is only barrier for her to be it girl its definitely because she is not considered visuals. I have seen several times she being criticized by her visuals, and some even think she is visual hole in (g)-idle. Like what flaw do u find from her exactly?

  • Gurl their vocal skills as a group are not “just behind” mamamoo lol what sort of delusion is this 💀 don’t know if you actually stan mamamoo or only solo stan wheein but you should educate yourself more on their level of talents and skills before disrespecting them like this 💀

    mamamoomoo overrated af

  • um yeah thanks for the confirmation that you had absolutely no idea what akgae actually means lol you can’t just make up new meanings for words and apply them as you see fit and expect people to immediately understand or accept it like :pepe-cringe:

    and if you were a complete stranger I would’ve taken a different approach but since i’ve seen your threads before and you yourself have admitted that you don’t know mamamoo very well in a reply to me in one of your threads I don’t think it’s egregious to draw the conclusion you definitely had little knowledge about them to make such claims like in this thread and that one thread lol

    Think what you want since you are an expert in everything, it's just a waste of time

    We definitely see things differently

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  • They are underrated imo. Best song production and rap skills among girl groups, the whole album songs are composed by members, one of the best discography, their talents and versatility are greatly underestimated, most of the members are unique and strong enough to go solo, it's especially obvious when you look at their solo songs. How many people care enough to listen to their other contents thou.


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