Given China and Korea’s tension, do you think companies should stop accepting Chinese trainees?

  • It seems tension between Korea and China is reaching an all time high with the Olympics. China claiming the Hanbok or kimchi is theirs, the controversy with China athletes cheating and hurting Korean athletes, Chinese netizens cursing at RM for supporting Korean athletes, and how easily Knetz are triggered by what Ningning did, and Knetz were mad Aespa didn’t post a Happy New Year video wearing hanbok, claiming they did that to please China. No side is right or wrong but the tensions don’t seem to end soon. Is it time to stop accepting Chinese trainees? Hybe doesn’t accept Chinese trainees and they’re doing fine. the JYP new groups now are entirely Korean, probably because they don’t have to deal with the controversies similar to that of Tzuyu and Sana regarding China and Japan. Or is there a way to still accept Chinese trainees and not have any controversy?

  • China and Korea have deeply rooted divisions against each other and fundamentally it's illustrated by the political divide, between authoritarian and democratic state.


    Mostly though I think China has a visegrip on the media that chinese netizens see. Sure there are plenty of holes in the barrier but ultimately each and every citizen to a degree is either nationalist or a traitor. You genuinely can't speak out against President Xi and not expect to get censored.


    I don't know how to begin to dissect Modern Korea but honestly the hate that can get generated is some military grade poison. There are good things sure, but when a bunch of people online get together, its -- well its a powder keg. find one wrong move and its hazmat time.


    Both have a lot of historic and modern issues to work out and most of the time they're on opposite sides.


    Korea should not stop accepting Chinese trainees simply because of this crap. But as with anything to do with a conflict, both have sides they need desperately to work out.


    (honestly china should also should step up their game: un-censor and rebuild the lack of damned culture there lol its a ghost town. There are traditions that survived but none really made it into modern culture. There's a deep divide between traditional china and modern china.)


    <oops kinda blew in this post up, If I got some facts wrong feel free to correct me>

  • If there's still money to make, why not?🤷‍♀️


    I'm sure these kpop agencies have got heaps of financial adviser to guide them.

    But what about the artists? They can’t publicly show love to their own countries like Japan or China in fear of hate. The things Tzuyu went through was traumatizing for an 18 year old, and to avoid that happening again, companies can just not accept Chinese/Taiwan trainees.

  • But what about the artists? They can’t publicly show love to their own countries like Japan or China in fear of hate. The things Tzuyu went through was traumatizing for an 18 year old, and to avoid that happening again, companies can just not accept Chinese/Taiwan trainees.

    that's another problem for the companies to consider. Very complicated

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  • My 2 cents.. do a Wayv for the PRC market.


    A one size fits all approach like having Chinese member is not gonna work in today's geopolitics.


    It's a matter of time someone becomes a hostage.

  • I mean, personally, if I was in charge of a company in Korea, I wouldn't use C-idols. It's better to use Japanese or SEA idols. In fact, they should use more SEA. Hiring Chinese idols would just be an unnecessary risk. If I did take such a risk, the idol would have to be damn exceptional or be from Taiwan or Hongkong.


    edit: Or, another option could also be including it in their contract to refrain from certain activities that could cause political controversy.

  • edit: Or, another option could also be including it in their contract to refrain from certain activities that could cause political controversy.

    Impossible. Practically anything can potentially be "hurting the feelings of the PRC".

  • Impossible. Practically anything can potentially be "hurting the feelings of the PRC".

    Exactly which is another reason amongst a million others that our country needs to stop any association with China we have already proved many times we don't need Chinese. BTS ATEEZ BtoB monsta x stray kids all top groups all pure Koreans. These agencies just see that dirty Chinese money and simp for it its pathetic.


    China has far surpassed Japan in the hate department here in Korea to the point that even today's younger generations are becoming more intolerant of Chinese and more right wing nationalist because of them. This for you Americans would be like everyone you know becoming Trump supporters overnight because of some known outside threat that is convincing everyone, as you watch the majority slowly convert to that mindset.


    There's many reasons the landscape is nearing the levels we have had with north Korea which means diplomatic ties are getting dangerously close to hostility and war being the second best alternative a thing most do not want but will do if it came down to it

  • The ''outrage'' that you always see on pann and similar sites is just the ''patriotic'' xenophobe opportunists barking.There have been quite a few controversies like this in the past,and no matter how bad they seem to be in the start it always subsides in the end.


    The only thing I worry about is how it affects the idols,cuz these people are legit batshit crazy.

  • Exactly which is another reason amongst a million others that our country needs to stop any association with China we have already proved many times we don't need Chinese. BTS ATEEZ BtoB monsta x stray kids all top groups all pure Koreans. These agencies just see that dirty Chinese money and simp for it its pathetic.


    China has far surpassed Japan in the hate department here in Korea to the point that even today's younger generations are becoming more intolerant of Chinese and more right wing nationalist because of them. This for you Americans would be like everyone you know becoming Trump supporters overnight because of some known outside threat that is convincing everyone, as you watch the majority slowly convert to that mindset.


    There's many reasons the landscape is nearing the levels we have had with north Korea which means diplomatic ties are getting dangerously close to hostility and war being the second best alternative a thing most do not want but will do if it came down to it

    BTS is a top group but none of the other boy groups u mentioned is?? also twice and blackpink have Non Korean members

  • The only time kpop needed China was when Korea send t-ara into exile. As long as Korea doesn't treat the idols like they did to t-ara, there is no need to appease China.

    With China become more and more aggressive, force their politics onto everyone. I definetly could understand if kpop companies would stop recruiting Chinese trainees. There is simply no need for that additional drama.

  • Ah, the normal crop of sinophobes....


    Also, the so called "outrage" about the Olympic opening ceremony is classic insane nationalistic claptrap


    South Koreans - Hanbok is our national dress and part of our heritage!


    Ethnic Koreans who live in China - okay, that is what we will wear as our national dress in a parade of different Ethnic groups who live in China .


    South Koreans- HOW DARE THEY! China trying to steal our culture!!!


    Funny enough, there were Kazakhs, Mongols, Kyrgyz, and Tajiks in their national costumes, but I don't hear any outrage there.

  • Xi Jinping will make the decision for them, soon enough. I expect in the near future Chinese citizens will no longer be allowed to travel outside the country without special government permission, which will not likely be granted to young entertainers without a large international following.

  • Xi Jinping will make the decision for them, soon enough. I expect in the near future Chinese citizens will no longer be allowed to travel outside the country without special government permission, which will not likely be granted to young entertainers without a large international following.

    Don't you just love the internet, where people can make up claims without even the slightest bit of evidence and act as if they are a thing?

  • Why not? China banned kpop years ago and South Koreans can’t participate in their music industry so what’s the problem if Korea does the same? There isn’t much money to be made there as it was years ago due to the ccp. I say cut the ties.

  • I mean, personally, if I was in charge of a company in Korea, I wouldn't use C-idols. It's better to use Japanese or SEA idols. In fact, they should use more SEA. Hiring Chinese idols would just be an unnecessary risk. If I did take such a risk, the idol would have to be damn exceptional or be from Taiwan or Hongkong.


    edit: Or, another option could also be including it in their contract to refrain from certain activities that could cause political controversy.

    Japanese kpop idols are becoming more talented and bringing more to the table then their Chinese counterparts. All Chinese idols bring now is drama and visuals lmao Even idols from HK and Taiwan are a risk as Jackson, Elkie, and Guanlin have praised the ccp and started careers in the mainland. I don’t know why kpoppies think Koreans need to be ass kissing the Chinese when there is no reason to do that in this day and age lmao Korean music industry isn’t earning enough yuan now for the Chinese to still be active. Karina bar with 47k albums paid for is the biggest for 4th gen. That’s nothing compared to their entire sales :pepe-joy: :pepe-clown-gear:

  • There's a lot of Chinese money pouring into Kpop companies behind the scene. Even if Kpop companies not debuting Chinese members in Kpop groups, they can still accept Chinese trainees and then later have them debut in China. Korean public sentiments are not worth their dollars or won. Look at all the controversial figures like McMong, Bigbang, and the latest drama Snowdrop. They can get really angry but it doesn't translate to much money-wise. The people who are easily anger and emotional will go online and acting like the world is ending, but they are the loud minority. The majority of people don't get swept up into controversies and still go on living their own life. At the end of the day, their job stability and their family livelihood and economic worth more than gold medals.


    Tension come and go. Korea still trading a lot with China in a lot of industries. Korea is heavily dependent on exports. Feelings don't pay the bills.

  • some of the biggest k-ent companies are flooded with Chinese investment money (cj/mnet, etc) so until the industry as a whole are ready to let go of all Chinese money there will inevitably continue to be Chinese idols.

  • Japanese kpop idols are becoming more talented and bringing more to the table then their Chinese counterparts. All Chinese idols bring now is drama and visuals lmao Even idols from HK and Taiwan are a risk as Jackson, Elkie, and Guanlin have praised the ccp and started careers in the mainland. I don’t know why kpoppies think Koreans need to be ass kissing the Chinese when there is no reason to do that in this day and age lmao Korean music industry isn’t earning enough yuan now for the Chinese to still be active. Karina bar with 47k albums paid for is the biggest for 4th gen. That’s nothing compared to their entire sales :pepe-joy: :pepe-clown-gear:

    I dont wanna post. You know Yuqi is one of the best vocal out of Gidle right? Suprise you pfp is aespa. You know NingNing is the best singer from aespa right? Have you seen any Japanese idol recently talented wise and prominent role wise is as important as Yuqi and NingNing?

  • I dont wanna post. You know Yuqi is one of the best vocal out of Gidle right? Suprise you pfp is aespa. You know NingNing is the best singer from aespa right? Have you seen any Japanese idol recently talented wise and prominent role wise is as important as Yuqi and NingNing?

    The Japanese are currently excelling as skilled dancers and rappers and there are more of them contributing to the group according to the roles they were given than Chinese kpop idols lmao There are barely any main vocalists who are Chinese in kpop to begin with who have been recognized by Koreans or out singing the Korean main vocalists. Knetz are showing positive reactions to niki, shotaro, hikaru, koki, mashiro, gisselle, rei, and more. Kpop isn’t even vocal driven anymore so their contribution would technically mean more than the role of a main vocalist. How is there even a comparison at this point? Chinese kpop idols are being outnumbered by the Japanese for obvious reasons when it was the other way around before all of this mess.

  • The Japanese are currently excelling as skilled dancers and rappers and there are more of them contributing to the group according to the roles they were given than Chinese kpop idols lmao There are barely any main vocalists who are Chinese in kpop to begin with. Knetz are showing positive reactions to niki, shotaro, hikaru, koki, mashiro, gisselle, rei, and more. Kpop isn’t even vocal driven anymore so their contribution would technically mean more than the role of a main vocalist. How is there even a comparison at this point? Chinese kpop idols are being outnumbered by the Japanese for obvious reasons when it was the other way around before all of this mess.

    And the obvious reasons is money money money. Japanese and Chinese idols are all talented in various degrees and brought something to the table. Obviously there are outstanding talents, in the midst of mediocre one. The reason why any of them were added were not their talent in the first place. You said it yourself so why acting like it's a priority.

  • And the obvious reasons is money money money. Japanese and Chinese idols are all talented in various degrees and brought something to the table. Obviously there are outstanding talents, in the midst of mediocre one. The reason why any of them were added were not their talent in the first place. You said it yourself so why acting like it's a priority.

    Foreigners are in kpop for businesses purposes period. Everyone knows this. Of course they are going to be bringing SOMETHING to the table other than money. They try to find the ones who are naturally talented while being foreign at the same time so it takes less money to spend on training them but a lot of the ones now coming from China only bring visuals which is SOMETHING but far less important for putting together an actual skilled group. Kangta tried to comment on how they bring more to the table than Japanese idols but that’s not actually true these days lol

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