Are people being too harsh on Lucas?

I think they are being too harsh, to be honest. I find it so hypocritical that fans say we should treat our idols like normal people, but then something like this happens, and they lose their crap. If a normal person, say someone in your workplace, cheated and used a girl like he supposedly did, you'd say "Wow that was kinda shitty" and move on. You're would not be up in arms and rallying for that person to be fired from the company. It's just ridiculous, setting aside the fact that I really don't believe the allegations in the first place.

this is the second time kpop stans are trying to act like being a cheater is some "normal" thing for men. if people don't want to stan someone now that their image has been shattered, that is 100% within their right.

We are judging from a western pow.

This is SK/China

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Who is imposing ridiculous standards when it’s usually the idols keeping up with the fantasy aspect.

Also, people aren’t being harsh on him lol. His behaviour is gross and should be called out. Toxic boys get called out everywhere And it was his ex-girlfriends that decided to air his dirty laundry. It was bound to happen eventually.

Well I do think the internet loves a good public lynching. We've just seen a huge wave of baseless allegations against idols. I do think we must believe victims, but we also must realize that the accuser is also vulnerable to bad faith. At the end of the day it comes down to what can be proven, what is admitted or rebuked. And honestly, most of the time we have no right to be judges. People project too much, like "they look like the type!" or "They seem like this and that". What have you seen? A couple montages on the internet and suddenly you know someone's character? We don't know these people, for good or bad.

not you trying to normalize gross and derogatory actions. mot surprised.

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I think they are being too harsh, to be honest. I find it so hypocritical that fans say we should treat our idols like normal people, but then something like this happens, and they lose their crap. If a normal person, say someone in your workplace, cheated and used a girl like he supposedly did, you'd say "Wow that was kinda shitty" and move on. You're would not be up in arms and rallying for that person to be fired from the company. It's just ridiculous, setting aside the fact that I really don't believe the allegations in the first place.

except that normal person at work does not have millions of fans who look up to him and look at his behaviour as something to follow.

thats the big difference.

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there’s no angels on this earth, sweety

If you know people you know how many shitty things they have done or their shitty habits. And that’s just what you know, whatever they do in private or think in their heads is much worse

And I’m just saying that he didn’t hit, rape or kill women (as far as we know). He’s just a typical flawed man

im sorry but if you expect most people to be shitty and the people around you are also shitty then thats more of a reflection of you. don't surround yourself with shitty people and maybe you wont think its so normal when you see someone do bad things.

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I mean seriously, y'all love the badge of victimhood on yourselves but like using the stick of the patriarchy to hit others. Either you're tolerant or you aren't

Boooooy, i can't believe I'll say it, buuut you spilled. I think you just spat at others faces kkkkk

Back to the topic... Lucas was wrong, but the witch hunting is.. unnecessary.

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this is the second time kpop stans are trying to act like being a cheater is some "normal" thing for men. if people don't want to stan someone now that their image has been shattered, that is 100% within their right.

Rather than focusing on this bc i also wouldn't want a cheater in my life i think he is saying more in the sense of antis and haters using this opportunity to try to ruin his career. But I could be wrong.

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except that normal person at work does not have millions of fans who look up to him and look at his behaviour as something to follow.

thats the big difference.

It shouldn't matter if y'all wanna say treat idols like normal people 💀 Also if fans are stupid enough to think doing what he allegedly did is okay, then that's on them, not him. Critical thinking exists. The mentality of using idols and celebs as scapegoats for your own bad behaviour needs to stop. Only you are responsible for you, period.

People suddenly start acting like cheating is a normal part of every relationship was really weird lol.

I'm not here for the people normalising shitty behaviour but discussing his sexuality was awful. I saw a joke and I just hope they understand how Asian societies work and remove it.

The rest of it depends on each person whether they want to stan him anymore or not. People gaslighting tryna say omg these delulu fangirls think their oppas are innocent virgins just cuz they were just upset about the money and cheating aint it. We all know that wasn't what happened so stop. It's such a sexist thing to shift all the blame on the girls.

It's not something lucas should loose his career over tho. Thats a bit too much. Just apologise to the wronged, which he has already done (ig) and get on with his career.

You're trying to normalize your own shitty behavior. We got it, Teshub.

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what's normal is that nobody is perfect. i've know some of the kindest and gentlest people, yet they still cheated on their partner.

maybe you are not perceptive to reality or people have never opened up to you in an honest way, but it's very common for people to have a lot of faults that would be considered shocking if exposed in public. and many times people are unaware that what they say or do hurts others in some way.

i remember Wendy talking about how she treated her mother callously before to the point that her mom was in tears. Yes, that "angelic" Wendy, and that's not even counting her two incidents where she stereotyped black women

Doesn’t apply to kpop stars in SK/China🤷‍♀️

Yes. People are going nuts just because hes from NCT.

The first reveal was nothing out of the ordinary but what was revealed today is getting all the rightful criticism

Can I also mention that this whole situation is also very sus because of how many saesangs NCT has. If Lucas really was with this girl and sneaking out to meet her, the saesangs would know. And not only would they know, they'd go bonkers and post the pictures on the internet and tell everyone. But we haven't seen that.

Tbh dating ur fans is pretty weird to me also idk why some nctzens are defending him if he actually was mean and hateful to his members

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Can I also mention that this whole situation is also very sus because of how many saesangs NCT has. If Lucas really was with this girl and sneaking out to meet her, the saesangs would know. And not only would they know, they'd go bonkers and post the pictures on the internet and tell everyone. But we haven't seen that.

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If the stuff revealed today is true, then he is pretty much an asshole I won't want to stan.. but again it's upto the respective ans..

nonfans never stanned anyways... so that does not make a difference.. but his image will be ruined if this isnt proved to be false forever

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Sasaengs don't hover over idols 24/7

Second, even if they find out something, it's more advantageous to them to use it as blackmail or profit from revealing "top secret info" by selling it to journalists or other interested parties

Do you have any idea how saesangs work? Saesangs are essentially yanderes. They are obsessed with these idols and many of them believe they have real, genuine relationships with them. Saesangs are outside of NCT's dorms constantly and have even broken into the building through the vents on camera! If he really did have a girlfriend and was sneaking out to see her, at least one saesang would have seen and felt extremely betrayed by this. Even if they didn't release the photos or story, they would have told other saesangs who in turn would have.

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No, I just know how to think critically and take everything into account, lmao. Have you not seen the thread on twitter about all the faked evidence? The tweets about netizens finding this girl and discovering that she's a fansite master and saesang? Like c'mon.

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No, I just know how to think critically and take everything into account, lmao. Have you not seen the thread on twitter about all the faked evidence? The tweets about netizens finding this girl and discovering that she's a fansite master and saesang? Like c'mon.

sis those debunking tweets were also debunked.

people found out that crazy fans were just finding unrelated shit or that the supposed 'debunking' they were doing still lined up with what the accusers said.

im not saying that some things couldn't have been exaggerated but to just say that everything is a lie when lucas himself apologised is just plain delusion.

also it is possible she is a saesang and still had a relationship with him

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sis those debunking tweets were also debunked.

people found out that crazy fans were just finding unrelated shit or that the supposed 'debunking' they were doing still lined up with what the accusers said.

im not saying that some things couldn't have been exaggerated but to just say that everything is a lie when lucas himself apologised is just plain delusion.

also it is possible she is a saesang and still had a relationship with him

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One, the debunking tweets weren't debunked? Unless you can show me where they were. Second, Lucas apologized, he did not admit or confess to anything. His apology was standard and something every idol has to do when something happens, even if they did nothing. There's a history within NCT of members being forced to apologize only for it to come out that they did nothing, like Taeyong, for example. I don't think any idol in their right mind would date or have a relationship with one of their saesangs, but that's just me. These people violate their privacy on the daily and cause them a lot of stress. Lucas' fans had mass messaged this girl in the past asking her to leave him alone.

Maybe some parts are true, and if so, I think it's more likely that she is feeling betrayed by him in some capacity and is trying to get revenge. She shut down her fansite in 2019, which I do think is interesting considering a majority of her story in one of the latest articles revolves mainly around that year, so maybe something did happen. If she really did last see Lucas in February of this year, then something happened to trigger her doing this months later. I don't fully believe the allegations but I also haven't made up my mind just yet. And until legitimate, undeniable proof comes out, I have to believe in innocent until proven guilty.

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They might see an idol move around but they can't follow them inside someone's private residence or hotel room when he's out to have sex

My point is, if he was going somewhere, they would have pictures and they would know. They would have pictures of him and this girl, pictures of just the girl. If he went to a hotel, even if they couldn't go in, they would camp outside and wait. That's how saesangs work. Additionally, I'm not sure if this was the main accuser or not, but one of them claimed to have gone to their dorm. Saesangs would have pictures of a girl entering WAYV's dorm and would have spread those online, trying to figure out who she is.

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One, the debunking tweets weren't debunked? Unless you can show me where they were. Second, Lucas apologized, he did not admit or confess to anything. His apology was standard and something every idol has to do when something happens, even if they did nothing. There's a history within NCT of members being forced to apologize only for it to come out that they did nothing, like Taeyong, for example. I don't think any idol in their right mind would date or have a relationship with one of their saesangs, but that's just me. These people violate their privacy on the daily and cause them a lot of stress. Lucas' fans had mass messaged this girl in the past asking her to leave him alone.

Maybe some parts are true, and if so, I think it's more likely that she is feeling betrayed by him in some capacity and is trying to get revenge. She shut down her fansite in 2019, which I do think is interesting considering a majority of her story in one of the latest articles revolves mainly around that year, so maybe something did happen. If she really did last see Lucas in February of this year, then something happened to trigger her doing this months later. I don't fully believe the allegations but I also haven't made up my mind just yet. And until legitimate, undeniable proof comes out, I have to believe in innocent until proven guilty.

you think SM is dumb enough to apologise if EVERYTHING was false? they would've sued all these 'accusers' within seconds if they knew it was false. the fact that they didnt is proof enough that there is truth to their accusations.

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Obviously he would have to be smart enough to not be seen with those other women in public. They enter the building at different times, and there's hundreds of people that go in and out of buildings in Korea. He would go by himself or with a trusted wingman. And like I said sasaengs aren't omnipresent, and for all the shit they see they actually keep 99% of things secret only among themselves. They have no reason to reveal it to the masses, even if they are personally upset. Because it could fuck them in the future if they want to stalk another idol, because then the company will really be on their ass

I've said what I have to say on the situation and until real evidence comes out, I'm not believing it. You have clearly made your mind up and I respect that.

Sasaengs often keep dating things hidden unless the idol did something to piss them off. Sasaengs already knew way in advance about Ryeowook's relationship for example but didn't say anything. Heck for Kim Woojin we only found out about him visiting adult entertainment places AFTER the big scandal

I've only done 2 of the 5 things listed by OP.

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I've said what I have to say on the situation and until real evidence comes out, I'm not believing it. You have clearly made your mind up and I respect that.

im sorry but what would real evidence look like to you? are you waiting for a sextape or smth because there have been pictures of lucas revealed already that havent been seen anywhere else

Since where are we normalizing those stuffs?

Well if that's what an average guy would do then majority of people on earth is sht? Hmmmmm then automatically that would make a lot of people here sht? Not just a lot but like a LOT.

Also Idols shouldn't be perfect but that kind of personality is straight up sht.