I think the rush of 4.5th gen debuts will create an overkill

    When the 3rd and 4th generations are still going strong (although thankfully Bibi ended the possibility of the last remaining 2nd Generation singer jumping into the arena), the wall is too thick for the 4.5th gen.


    Out of the 4.5th gen, only Illit has gone somewhere, and its new comebacks were weak.


    Babymonster got good views thanks to Southeast Asia but otherwise it is weak, and Meovv was a bit less impressive. Don't really hear too much about Izna,


    and now HeartstoHearts and Kiiikiii have jumped into the arena.


    So 6 acts in the same arena.


    Around 2014-15, several newer gen girl groups debuted. I am not counting Mamamoo since it had a different fanbase.


    Red Velvet and Lovelyz debuted from SM(at that time Woolim was part of SM), Twice from JYP, CLC from Cube, Sonamoo from TS(still had some power back then), April from DSP(which still had some power remaining back then), D-IA from Kwangsoo's company (which also had some power remaining), 7 which I could remember immediately.


    Out of these, only the two acts from major companies, Red Velvet and Twice, plus GFriend, so nugu that no one really counted them in, went anywhere. The rest didn't really go anywhere, including Lovelyz who fell way, way short of what GFriend did with very limited resources.


    Now the acts for the 4.5th Gen are better supported. Illit (belieflab - Hybe), H2H (SM) and Babymonster(YG) are from major company, Meovv is well connected, IZNA is an audition act, and Kiikii is from Starship, which has some punch because of IVE's successes.


    Personally, it will be an overkill. Only 2 or 3 of these will survive, and Illit already has an advantage since it did have a sizeable hit while the others did not. GFriend's earlier successes kept them in the top rung for quite a long time despite of basically being abandoned after Hybe bought its ex owner out, and no one is going to buy out Belieflab now.


    With Illit already taking one of the 2 or 3 spots, the remaining 5 acts will be fighting for at most 1 or 2 spots.


    KPop is in decline and the halcyon days are over. Too much of a good thing actually kills interest. Out of the remaining, I do think that H2H, being an SM act, will have the greatest advantage.

    Babymonster is doing well.


    They have two moderate hits in SK. Sheesh top10, Drip peaked at #11, few months after its release.


    And their global spotify numbers look very good, and on top of that, YT music (not YT views only).


    They are having their world tour soon.


    They're on the right track. In fact, they look the most promising out of the ones that already debut

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks way too many groups are debuting at the same time.


    The thing is since 3rd and 4th gen groups are still active, thriving and in their prime, the newer 5th gen group will receive less attention and their debut will have less hype.



    Waiting 1 or 2 years would be the better decision imo. Besides, a lot of 5th gen gg are very young anyway.

    The thing is babym is more popular than most kpop groups they aren’t flopping but they aren’t doing what their seniors achieved I don’t say they’ll not become more popular but when you’re from the big4 people or even companies have higher standards

    I think the reason is that groups are staying around for longer than previous generations which means new generations not only have compete with each other but also the prior generations

    Within a year BP already had boombayah, whistle and playing with fire.


    Sheesh and whatever BM just released are not as big as them


    BM has to have at least a song as popular as magnetic to show its superiority

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    I think the reason is that groups are staying around for longer than previous generations which means new generations not only have compete with each other but also the prior generations

    Just more pileup. More deadweight.


    Although the Greatest Deadweight of all will take a pass this year.

    I think it’s Fomo! Companies see others bring out new groups that the public eat up and brings in more money :oops:


    It’s also harder to try new things with an old group than to bring a new group with minimal to no expectations of them :/


    I wouldn’t count Illit or any 5th gen group as the top group yet! Unless Illit can recreate their success it’s way too soon! Their last comeback underperformed massively!


    BM is showing consistent growth each comeback but they never had a hit yet. I think the first few groups in a new gen always receive attention but it’s harder to maintain as more groups debut.


    Let’s just wait for all the groups to debut this year/next year and then we can see who the top groups will be!

    I used to think that but now it's starting to remind me of 2nd gen so I feel like a renaissance is about to happen, a new generation of fans is tuning in. 4th gen groups will be considered old and nd 3 gen ancient legends like bigbang, Snsd, etc

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    Just more pileup. More deadweight.


    Although the Greatest Deadweight of all will take a pass this year.

    but competition begets competition

    keeps all of them on their toes


    one misstep and it can all over especially for less successful/nugu groups

    K-pop’s glory days are over


    And now everybody and their mother is a K-pop idol, we got 14 year olds who aren’t that talented debuting , Korea’s population is declining meaning there’s no real audience left in Korea,


    Most are going to try chase other Asian validation or maybe western



    3rd gen is still the most popular but their days are basically over, blackpink the biggest girl group in K-pop rn, are all basically now in America,


    There’s definitely somewhat of a tiny space to full unless blackpink decides to comeback and take away the attention from everyone

    A minor quibble if i may good sir....


    Ive started 4.5 gen as Izone's first daughter group, then came NMIXX, NJ, and LSRFM.


    Illit, Baemon, Moew, Kisslife, Izna are considered 4.75 generation. Kiii or Heart could be the first 5th gen group, depending on who goes viral and becomes popular.


    As for overkill, every year people say that yet every year, it's always a Kpop song that tops the charts. Trot, OSTs, hip hop, indie, no other genre can compete with Kpop popularity in Korean music charts.

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