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The only Kpop song in the TOP100?
I'm sorry NewJeans fans, but this isn't even their best song, let alone the best Kpop song since 2020.
Saying "Super Shy" is the best Kpop song of this decade is just being ignorant. I wouldn't even say it's the most popular or the song with the most achievements, because I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be true, either.
It's not a bad song, but literally offers nothing new, it's just the same cute, upbeat Kpop song. I could name like 10-20 songs that are much better without any bias.
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Display MoreThe only Kpop song in the TOP100?
I'm sorry NewJeans fans, but this isn't even their best song, let alone the best Kpop song since 2020.
Saying "Super Shy" is the best Kpop song of this decade is just being ignorant. I wouldn't even say it's the most popular or the song with the most achievements, because I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be true, either.
It's not a bad song, but literally offers nothing new, it's just the same cute, upbeat Kpop song. I could name like 10-20 songs that are much better without any bias.
They could have gotten a grammy nomination out of it. Rollings stones even predicted it. No other artist or song except bts even came that close to that.
And it is still the most critically acclaimed kpop song like this list also shows. Obviously MHJ taste is immaculate.
Stay bitter.
Yeah, that's not true, at all. NJ didn't start that trend, it was a trend for years in Kpop. And yes, taste is objective, but more than 500 song were released in 4 years. Do you really think Super Shy is the best? Come on now.
Nobody give a damn about Awards especially VMA or Grammy. When will clueless Kpop stans will realize that nomination at these Award shows are not about the quality, it's about being mainstream!
I don't hate NJ, I don't even listen to their music, because it's childish, and nothing wrong with that, but it's not my style, BUT, stats and Awards has NOTHING to do with QUALITY!
If only the best Artists could win Awards, almost every mainstream group would be in the mud.
I'm honestly fed up with this trend that kids think being popular equals with quality!
Again, I'm not saying NJ and their songs are crap, but when we're talking about 4 YEARS of music, there's no way in hell NJ could be in the conversation, especially when we had MULTIPLE comebacks from:
MAMAMOO, Gidle, IU, Taeyeon, BTS, also Mamamoo solos, BTS solos, Kim Sejeong, Chungha, not to mention the Iconic Girls' Generation cb, Red Velvet, Aespa, Kiss of Life, and many others.
So stop saying: "Stay bitter." like a child, and accept that all these Awards and TOP lists are 100% about popularity, not about talent or quality!
Lastly: MHJ may have a good taste, but she's one of the most toxic woman in this industry and literally ruining their careers with HYBE.
Display MoreYeah, that's not true, at all. NJ didn't start that trend, it was a trend for years in Kpop. And yes, taste is objective, but more than 500 song were released in 4 years. Do you really think Super Shy is the best? Come on now.
Nobody give a damn about Awards especially VMA or Grammy. When will clueless Kpop stans will realize that nomination at these Award shows are not about the quality, it's about being mainstream!
I don't hate NJ, I don't even listen to their music, because it's childish, and nothing wrong with that, but it's not my style, BUT, stats and Awards has NOTHING to do with QUALITY!
If only the best Artists could win Awards, almost every mainstream group would be in the mud.
I'm honestly fed up with this trend that kids think being popular equals with quality!
Again, I'm not saying NJ and their songs are crap, but when we're talking about 4 YEARS of music, there's no way in hell NJ could be in the conversation, especially when we had MULTIPLE comebacks from:
MAMAMOO, Gidle, IU, Taeyeon, BTS, also Mamamoo solos, BTS solos, Kim Sejeong, Chungha, not to mention the Iconic Girls' Generation cb, Red Velvet, Aespa, Kiss of Life, and many others.
So stop saying: "Stay bitter." like a child, and accept that all these Awards and TOP lists are 100% about popularity, not about talent or quality!
Lastly: MHJ may have a good taste, but she's one of the most toxic woman in this industry and literally ruining their careers with HYBE.
Dude, this is obviously an appreciation thread, you came here basically to say it was undeserved, and now you say that you don't listen to their music becuase it's childish and keep insisting that "there's no way in hell NJ could be in the conversation"
You might not be bitter, but you're definitely being disrespectful as fuck. You come here stating your opinions as facts (not the first time I see you doing it) and trying to argue like if you're completely objective, which you're obviously not. Let me surprise you, music is completely subjective, and in the case there's some objectivity in it I prefer to trust experts of the industry before random forum users.
NJ is being one of the most glorified Kpop groups ever regarding quality awards by everybody, both the Korean and Internationally experts of tons of different sources have agreed to give them several awards based on quality, many more than to your faves, like it or not.
Your opinions are completely irrelevant, like mine and like everybody's here.
Display MoreDude, this is obviously an appreciation thread, you came here basically to say it was undeserved, and now you say that you don't listen to their music becuase it's childish and keep insisting that "there's no way in hell NJ could be in the conversation"
You might not be bitter, but you're definitely being disrespectful as fuck. You come here stating your opinions as facts (not the first time I see you doing it) and trying to argue like if you're completely objective, which you're obviously not. Let me surprise you, music is completely subjective, and in the case there's some objectivity in it I prefer to trust experts of the industry before random forum users.
NJ is being one of the most glorified Kpop groups ever regarding quality awards by everybody, both the Korean and Internationally experts of tons of different sources have agreed to give them several awards based on quality, many more than to your faves, like it or not.
Your opinions are completely irrelevant, like mine and like everybody's here.
Nothing I said was disrespectful. It's my opinion! I heard Super Shy, because I never make an opinion based on guessing.
What I said, was kind of a fact, because there's no way that out of HUNDREDS of Kpop songs, Super Shy is the best. It's probably not even the most popular on charts and stuff.
I was 100% objective! If I were biased, I would say, MAMAMOO's ILLELLA deserve to be on this list, while I don't think I would put it on a TOP200 list. Especially, because they released 2 other albums since 2020. Not to mention IU or Taeyeon. They released the best albums in the past 4 years! That's not me being biased, it's a fact, based on stats and Awards, and reviews from experts! I mean, if you want to talk about those things.😅
You ONLY prefer to trust "experts" when they pick your faves. This is how the mind of a fan works! These people are not experts, btw. Pitchfork is just a blog, basically. Do you know why they picked NJ? Because they're mainstream, and everyone is talking about them now, thanks to their Kdrama.
If they're experts, so am I, because I work in this industry for 20 years, and I know how to make music, I'm a sound engineer. So, like it or not, I'm qualified to write an expert opinion, even tho I didn't do that. I just voiced my opinion normally.
Why are you mentioned my faves? All of them have more Awards than NJ, just saying. If you don't have a real argument, stop talking about my faves.
The only fact is that 99% of the Kpop is ignored, the same goes for the Western Music industry as well. People only talking about the MAINSTREAM artists. Not some random indie musician who's actually making something original and better. If a song isn't trending, nobody give a damn, but that doesn't mean a trendy song is the best!
This is why these lists are ridiculous. Not to mention, 99% of people only care about Title Tracks. If we include B-sides as well, 99% of the BIG4 groups wouldn't be in the conversation, because their albums are boring or average at best.
No offense to any group, but the fact is BIG4 agencies don't dare to experiment, because their fans want the same Tiktok songs. That's why I prefer smaller groups and soloists.
That happens every time I say something. People acting like I don't have 50 other faves, and I only love MMM. Funny you just opened a thread about toxic fans. They prove every time why I don't want to stan a mainstream group, even if they're talented. @@@45592899-d1ce-49dc-88de-d8d5a8bd5dca@@@ is the prime example.
Display MoreYeah, that's not true, at all. NJ didn't start that trend, it was a trend for years in Kpop. And yes, taste is objective, but more than 500 song were released in 4 years. Do you really think Super Shy is the best? Come on now.
Nobody give a damn about Awards especially VMA or Grammy. When will clueless Kpop stans will realize that nomination at these Award shows are not about the quality, it's about being mainstream!
I don't hate NJ, I don't even listen to their music, because it's childish, and nothing wrong with that, but it's not my style, BUT, stats and Awards has NOTHING to do with QUALITY!
If only the best Artists could win Awards, almost every mainstream group would be in the mud.
I'm honestly fed up with this trend that kids think being popular equals with quality!
Again, I'm not saying NJ and their songs are crap, but when we're talking about 4 YEARS of music, there's no way in hell NJ could be in the conversation, especially when we had MULTIPLE comebacks from:
MAMAMOO, Gidle, IU, Taeyeon, BTS, also Mamamoo solos, BTS solos, Kim Sejeong, Chungha, not to mention the Iconic Girls' Generation cb, Red Velvet, Aespa, Kiss of Life, and many others.
So stop saying: "Stay bitter." like a child, and accept that all these Awards and TOP lists are 100% about popularity, not about talent or quality!
Lastly: MHJ may have a good taste, but she's one of the most toxic woman in this industry and literally ruining their careers with HYBE.
The Grammys still hold some value lol. Comparing it to the vmas is pure clownery.
It holds even more value since the grammys are totally snobing kpop. You can see as bts one of the most successful boy group never got one.
Which makes a 1 year old korean group being potentally nominated even more outstanding.
Duh.
Display MoreThe only Kpop song in the TOP100?
I'm sorry NewJeans fans, but this isn't even their best song, let alone the best Kpop song since 2020.
Saying "Super Shy" is the best Kpop song of this decade is just being ignorant. I wouldn't even say it's the most popular or the song with the most achievements, because I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be true, either.
It's not a bad song, but literally offers nothing new, it's just the same cute, upbeat Kpop song. I could name like 10-20 songs that are much better without any bias.
David why dont you. Why dont you? Why dont you give us 10-20 songs that are much better without any bias? Why dont you oh savior of music and taste, right the wrongs of the joke of a publication Pitchfork?
Please David! I know you are the one opinion out of 7 billion that truly matters. At night when god goes to bed, he thinks to himself “ David33 has the best taste on earth, the rest of them are all wasting their time. The critiques, roger, ebert? Wasting their time because the protege, David33, will grace the earth with his prophetic musical preferences and lead the lamb of earth to salvation via his writings on Allkpop” youre like the next Mohammed, Martin Luther…. JOSEPH SMITH! You could found the next Mormonism here for us!
PLEASE DAVID! GIVE US THE LIST THAT WOULD SO EASILY COME TO YOU UNBIASED
they could have definitly be nominated (which is already exeptional specially for a year old rookie and only bts ever achieved it), like Rolling stones suggested it.
i don't know what happened but a direct connection to bang trash compaining against mhj wouldn't surpise me at all. (he does have some connection in there doesn't he, or maybe screwter does or smth.)
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Display MoreThe Grammys still hold some value lol. Comparing it to the vmas is pure clownery.
It holds even more value since the grammys are totally snobing kpop. You can see as bts one of the most successful boy group never got one.
Which makes a 1 year old korean group being potentally nominated even more outstanding.
Duh.
NJ were never nominated at the Grammys, end of story! Just because Rolling Stones thought they might get a nomination, doesn't prove anything, I'm sorry.
I mean, I could say, ILLIT could be dominated next, and it means the same thing. It means nothing! It's just a GUESS, not a fact!
If you think Grammys hold some value, you don't know much about this Music Industry. I mean, yeah, it's bigger than the VMA for sure, but it's like the Oscars and the Golden Globes, basically. Both is a joke for YEARS!
With the release dates! Are you happy now? It's not that hard to do research.🤔
SHINee - Prism (2016)
F(x) - 4 walls (2015)
Apink - Dumhdurum (2020)
Key - I wanna be (2019)
NCT127 - Summer 127 (2019)
EXO - They Never Know (2016)
Chungha - Roller Coaster (2018)
TXT - Roller Coaster (2019)
@@@4c72416a-d1ce-44cb-a51d-9d7e4d705910@@@ - Breathe (2016)
And there's many more!
David why dont you. Why dont you? Why dont you give us 10-20 songs that are much better without any bias? Why dont you oh savior of music and taste, right the wrongs of the joke of a publication Pitchfork?
Please David! I know you are the one opinion out of 7 billion that truly matters. At night when god goes to bed, he thinks to himself “ David33 has the best taste on earth, the rest of them are all wasting their time. The critiques, roger, ebert? Wasting their time because the protege, David33, will grace the earth with his prophetic musical preferences and lead the lamb of earth to salvation via his writings on Allkpop” youre like the next Mohammed, Martin Luther…. JOSEPH SMITH! You could found the next Mormonism here for us!
PLEASE DAVID! GIVE US THE LIST THAT WOULD SO EASILY COME TO YOU UNBIASED
Okay, because you tried to be funny, I will give you 10 better songs than Super Shy without any bias! Not because I love these groups or soloists, but music wise, all of these are better, meaning: composition, lyrics, vocals, etc.
Don't forget, we're talking about which song is BETTER, not more POPULAR!
Not in order, and only Title Tracks.
6. SNSD - Forever1
8. Gidle - NXDE
10. Red Velvet - Chill Kill
Lastly: "Get Up" is way better than any NJ song I've heard! I would actually put that song on a TOP100 list!
NJ were never nominated at the Grammys, end of story! Just because Rolling Stones thought they might get a nomination, doesn't prove anything, I'm sorry.
I mean, I could say, ILLIT could be dominated next, and it means the same thing. It means nothing! It's just a GUESS, not a fact!
If you think Grammys hold some value, you don't know much about this Music Industry. I mean, yeah, it's bigger than the VMA for sure, but it's like the Oscars and the Golden Globes, basically. Both is a joke for YEARS!
of course it does prove smth. rolling stone ain't talking out of their *ss. chose a narrative lol. either they had nothing to do with grammy or either the grammy are totally worthless lol.
sure they aren't that great specialy as the time went, they did snub many great artists, but saying their totally irrelevent is ridiculous and just not true at all. and again, specially for kpop even more, since it's such a snubbed genra by them.
so getting your name out there despite that while being critically acclaimed like no kpop group never was, IS REMARKABLE . end of story.
Display MoreOkay, because you tried to be funny, I will give you 10 better songs than Super Shy without any bias! Not because I love these groups or soloists, but music wise, all of these are better, meaning: composition, lyrics, vocals, etc.
Don't forget, we're talking about which song is BETTER, not more POPULAR!
Not in order, and only Title Tracks.
6. SNSD - Forever1
8. Gidle - NXDE
10. Red Velvet - Chill Kill
Lastly: "Get Up" is way better than any NJ song I've heard! I would actually put that song on a TOP100 list!
you're a joke 
. except invu no other song is worth much on this list specially the flop*ss forever, chill kill and nude 
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of course it does prove smth. rolling stone ain't talking out of their *ss. chose a narrative lol. either they had nothing to do with grammy or either the grammy are totally worthless lol.
sure they aren't that great specialy as the time went, they did snub many great artists, but saying their totally irrelevent is ridiculous and just not true at all. and again, specially for kpop even more, since it's such a snubbed genra by them.
so getting your name out there despite that while being critically acclaimed like no kpop group never was, IS REMARKABLE . end of story.
90% of the Music Awards are meaningless, all-around the world nowadays. 20 years ago it was about talent and quality, now, it's only about charts and popularity! That's the ONLY reason Rolling Stone thought NJ might get a nomination.
Doesn't matter which Award show are we talking about, even if it's Movie or TV Show Awards. It's always about popularity!
Not to mention, these Awards shows can't nominate Kpop artists if they don't promote them in the US, so they're literally excluding 99% of Kpop! Ergo, it means nothing!
Grammys is a big Award Show, just like the Oscars, but Senior artist and serious media outlets don't take it seriously anymore.
Before you talk, learn to read and do some research! We're talking about QUALITY, not POPULARITY on charts!
Flopass Forever1? SNSD were 15 years old when they released that album and still charted on Melon's TOP100 at #5 and on Billboard also! That's hardly a flop, kiddo! Chill Kill was also #6 on Melon TOP100.
Also, Hwasa's MARIA, was literally one of the biggest song that year, she alone beat Blackpink as well!
Display More90% of the Music Awards are meaningless, all-around the world nowadays. 20 years ago it was about talent and quality, now, it's only about charts and popularity! That's the ONLY reason Rolling Stone thought NJ might get a nomination.
Doesn't matter which Award show are we talking about, even if it's Movie or TV Show Awards. It's always about popularity!
Not to mention, these Awards shows can't nominate Kpop artists if they don't promote them in the US, so they're literally excluding 99% of Kpop! Ergo, it means nothing!
Grammys is a big Award Show, just like the Oscars, but Senior artist and serious media outlets don't take it seriously anymore.
charting well and being popular doesn't mean that you aren't delivering quality lol, what a simplisitic way of seing things. The reasons rolling stones thought NJ light got that nomination is because they tore up the chart + got massive critical acclaim.
unlike seven by jk for example who only had chart success, and a much bigger one that super shy. so by your logic, it means he would have gotten nominated and even won a grammy. lol. but HE WASN'T.
and the fact that NJs might have MEANS something.
again grammy can be big snubs towards artist they consider just popular but with nothing more to offer artistically in their opinion, that's why they snub so many major pop phenonom either by not nomiating them or either by never giving them a grammy.
also, JYP have been submitting countless of his groups to the committe and promoting them and lol they have snubbed him so hard, it's actually pathetic.
so no, not enough chart ranking, or behind the doors promotion with the grammy commitee can get you a nomination or a grammy!
i'm not saying they are as relevent as they used to be, they aren't. and for many reasons. but saying they are totally irrelevent and specially thorugh the kpop prism is just nonsense. or copium.
Before you talk, learn to read and do some research! We're talking about QUALITY, not POPULARITY on charts!
Flopass Forever1? SNSD were 15 years old when they released that album and still charted on Melon's TOP100 at #5 and on Billboard also! That's hardly a flop, kiddo! Chill Kill was also #6 on Melon TOP100.
Also, Hwasa's MARIA, was literally one of the biggest song that year, she alone beat Blackpink as well!
well i'm talking about both. quality and charting. forever one was a chart success but an absolute flop*ss of a song, mediocre at best. even nude charted well but it's still a mid flop boring song. you aren't making much sense you know...
charting well and being popular doesn't mean that you aren't delivering quality lol, what a simplisitic way of seing things. The reasons rolling stones thought NJ light got that nomination is because they tore up the chart + got massive critical acclaim.
Actually, 95% of the time, the best charting songs are average at best! That's why they can chart, labels release those songs for the masses!
You must be very young if you think like this, but don't worry, you're gonna realize eventually that charting and popularity most of the time is not about quality!
I don't see the point of arguing with you, because you don't listen and you keep saying the same thing. Not to mention, you're biased.
So, you think FOREVER1 was a crap song, but you think Super Shy is the best Kpop song in the past 4 years?
Yeah, this is one way to say: "I only listen NewJeans." At least, I'm not biased like you.
Like I said, "GET UP" is 10 times better than any song NJ released so far! I heard some of their songs now, just so I can argue with clueless Tokkis like you, but basically of them sounded the same.
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