I'd rather have this slowdown compared to what is going on in reddit. That place is descending into a special type of madness.
They pretty much kicked out all the dissenting voices, and they are spiraling. It is quite telling in recent days that the sources that they bring are from the likes of anti-njs twitter users, seoulite, Lee Jinho, etc.
It doesn't have subtitles, but it somewhat deals with what you are referring to. He mainly talks about 1st gen Kpop groups and older Kpop singers, but I think it is relevant to 2nd gen.
One of the points is that a lot of the famous artists from that era didn't come out of nowhere. There are a lot of artists that came out fully developed because they were former DJs, backup dancers, etc. These are the ones that practiced and developed their skills on their own. It is why they are more charismatic and have better stage presence. They learned their skills in night clubs and live stages instead of the Kpop system.
It is also harder to fit these natural entertainers into a group after a certain point, because the visual threshold became harder. In the past, you were allowed to have visual holes in groups as well as weak singers since they all had their roles. It also doesn't help that these pool of candidates, while have a lot of charisma and talent, tend to have a checkered past. Those type of candidates probably got filtered out early on since Kpop wants no controversy.
He also mentions the development of other platforms like youtube and tik tok. In the past, the only avenue for these people to break into the entertainment industry was through becoming a singer. So the pool of talents were much larger.
The National Assembly Environment and Labor Committee has selected Hani (pictured, real name Hani Pham), a member of the idol group New Jeans, and Hive's chief human resources officer as reference persons and witnesses, respectively, for the state audit to be held next month. It is expected that there will be a battle over workplace bullying.
The Environment and Labor Committee passed a resolution on the 30th requesting the attendance of witnesses and reference persons for the state audit, requesting that Hani appear as a reference person and Kim Joo-young, the chief human resources officer of Hive, appear as a witness on the 25th of next month. The National Assembly plans to question Hani regarding the issue of workplace bullying, and to question CEO Kim about the reason for his inadequate response to it.
Even if you are selected as a witness or reference person for the National Assembly inspection, you do not have to appear if you submit a non-appearance reason with a 'justifiable reason'. However, in the case of a witness, even if you submit a non-appearance reason, if the standing committee determines that the non-appearance reason is not justifiable, you can be ordered to accompany them or be indicted if you do not accompany them. For this reason, there is speculation that even if Hani does not appear as a reference person, Representative Kim is likely to appear.
Previously, on the 11th, New Jeans' Hani claimed during a YouTube live broadcast that she was bullied in the workplace, as when she greeted another celebrity and her manager who passed by while waiting in the hallway of the HYBE building, the manager told her to "ignore him." As fans filed a complaint with the Ministry of Employment and Labor, attention is focused on whether this actually constitutes workplace bullying. Since the Labor Standards Act includes a clause prohibiting workplace bullying, the key question is whether New Jeans is a "worker" subject to this law.
Reporter Lee Seul-gi surugi@hankyung.com
I've written about Employee B situation before.
The advertiser, whom they met, were under her purview in Ador, and she had previous relationship with this client too.
They were supposed to meet at Chinese restaurant, but they found out it was fully booked. The meat grilling restaurant that serves alcohol was a last minute change. There was supposed to be no alcohol involved originally, and each party had to pay for the alcohol if they wanted it in the new venue.
If I remember correctly, Executive A gave warning that he had some other business come up an hour before the meeting. It wasn't as if he suddenly excused himself in the middle of the meeting with zero heads up with the intent of putting Employee B in a vulnerable situation.
It was her client, and she was a an experienced worker. He thought she could handle the meeting on her own.
That means the only problematic part is a he said/she said situation where he said the problematic statement.
Unless Executive A has a problematic history, any HR would have given him a verbal warning at most.
I think it is disingenuous to frame the situation as Executive A trying to bring Employee B for the purpose of livening the mood and serving alcohol. I can see why Executive A would be mad as to how he was portrayed by Employee B.
The song is great.
Having an identity as a group is a good thing. There is enough groups doing traditional Kpop sounds.
There is a reason why NJs music have a diverse audience in terms of age and gender.
Weren't some Tokkis here suggesting just a few days ago that MHJ's rejection of the internal director offer was smart because her acceptance of it would've led her to being exposed to HYBE's control and hurting her current cases in court? I'm not sure if it's a happy medium offer if that speculation is true. And if she loses out in court, who says that the offer will remain? A promise like that isn't worth much as it stands.
And I don't have a problem with most of the video. Just the part I have so far been critical of. You're right that some experts are saying that the injunction would be difficult to win, which is why it was so impactful when they made the threat of filing one if their demands weren't met by the 25th.
No, you are getting it mixed up. MHJ rejected the role for the producer for the duration of NJs contract. She would never turn down the role of internal director. You can only be elevated/voted to CEO if you hold the position of internal director.
If she accepted the role of the producer, it would undercut the purpose of seeking her CEO role. By accepting the contract, she is agreeing that Ador can exist under the new structure. There is no benefit to doing this until she knows for sure her shareholder's agreement was legally terminated.
Im curious, what would that be exactly?
Evolution of Kpop as an industry. Like many things in Korea, the Kpop industry is stuck in the awkward middle phase. They have pushed through in terms of economies of scale and soft power, but lot of the old structure from the past remain. That is why artists have fought to get rid of things like the infamous slave contracts.
Korea was able to escape the middle-income trap through government policy that concentrated the wealth and power to the few. It is why Korea has chaebols. With the support of the government, the chaebols were able to build structures that allowed the rapid growth of the country's economy.
This is the same with Kpop. Korea invested in Kpop to gain soft power, and like the other industries, the upper management were given disproportionate amount of power and they built the Kpop factory. It introduced a lot of imbalance in power amongst management and the artists.
However, there is only a certain amount of growth you can get through this strategy. It quells innovation. The friction between management and artists will become more frequent, and I think this is one of those instances.
People might disagree with how I see this battle, but this is how I view this situation.
As we all know, the internal director offer is nonsense, and the willingness to re-negotiate comes with the caveat that they're not planning to re-instate her to CEO, which is what this entire thing is about, so I don't see those as strong gains from them to be honest.
i think their entire video was fine, but if they weren't planning to file an injunction on the 25th, then I would've left that portion out and made vague threats of looming or impending consequences for not doing so.
It's risk management by both sides. That injunction was said to be a tough one to win. It is a big victory if she gets to be internal director without going through court. The re-negotiation is an pressure valve for both sides. Even if she loses the main lawsuit, MHJ will be able to continue working with NJs. In the near term, it shows that Hybe is willing to work with NJs to find a happy medium where everyone can keep working.
The video showed that they are willing to side with MHJ publicly. Up to that point, Newjeans were seen as bystanders. NJs chose a side, and that's a significant statement in itself.
This provision is pretty common in many countries, and you don't need to make a public comment about it. An email trail is often good enough. Most people don't make YouTube videos about it.
I'm not sure you appreciate the optics of setting a deadline, announcing it in public, and not doing anything when you're publicly-stated deadline passes. It's not a good look, especially when ADOR's position and HYBE's position is "no" to their request, which was made before their deadline. It makes them seem unprepared and all talk. That is not the image you want to present if you want to seem like a credible threat.
But they got two things out of it. MHJ no longer has to go through the injunction in order to be re-elected/remain as an internal director, and Hybe re-iterated their willingness to negotiate her contract. They've moved off some of their more extreme stances in regards to MHJ.
You have to give at least 2 week notice to your company to rectify the situation if you plan on terminating the exclusive contract. Theoretically, this allows them to serve the lawsuit towards Hybe at any moment here on out.
Some might call it a bluff, but I think they are holding it over Hybe's head like a continuous threat.
I dunno my friend some of them might like to join NJ at the mental hospital if given a choice
Turned negative.
I think they are moving away from what made them successful. It is like those growth companies that replace everyone that got them there and replace them with cookie cutter execs. It is to maximize profit instead of innovation.
I think they will have an identity crisis not too long into the future. They are masquerading as if they are a fast growing tech/gaming company. They've convinced investors that they are, but once people come to realize that isn't the case, their easy access to money will be turned off.
Also, their acquisitions like dunamu and ithaca were terrible.
Is this site full of misinformation, twisting lmao? Expected nothing.
Hybe did not accept NJ terms for reinstating MHJ as Ador CEO, they don't have power to move the Hybe heads, they are not BTS. However, Ador granted MHJ 3 year internal director term which be voted on Oct 17th iirc, which MHJ filed for recently.
Your the one that keeps twisting facts. lol.
Hybe saying they'll re-elect her to internal director means MHJ can drop her injunction. However, we still haven't received if the termination of the shareholder's agreement was valid.
The biggest problem was MHJ had no path to being re-instated to CEO if she isn't director. That means the biggest fire was put out from the perspective of MHJ and Newjeans.
Also, Hybe knows that MHJ can't accept the contract for the role of producer. It kneecaps the ultimate purpose of her main goal, which is being re-instated as CEO, which the girls want. It is just Hybe trying to sway public support back to them, which is in the dumpster right now.
Newjeans are Ador's only asset. In some ways, they do have a lot of power and they are using the leverage they possess.
