BTS and Blackpink have created messed up expectations from KPOP fans.

    Edit: I see it took 5 minutes for Blinks and ARMYS to turn this into a BTS vs BP fight. Go in a hole you rats.


    I feel like K-pop fans have such unrealistic expectations nowadays. Nothing is good enough, if you're not having millions in sales, not doing an all-kill with every song, not winning every trophy you're a "flop". IVE's recent CB is proof of that, the songs are rising slowly on the charts but their sales have been amazing. Yet everyone is frothing at the mouth to say "IVE flopped". Same with AESPA, and NJ.


    Like you people really need to sit down and reevaluate what a flop is. BTS and BP have had such outstanding results that now everyone expects other groups to do the same. It's just not realistic and it's setting groups up to fail. You can't be #1 all the time. They can't have the biggest sales, the best charting, etc all the time for every CB. Nowadays if a group so much as falls a little everyone writes them off as flops.

    That's how KPOP fans are always gonna be. Stupid and obsessed with charts and sales, who broke what record and this that and the third. Everything is so washed down now, nobody cares about music it's just whose the most popular. It's so annoying. It's gotten sooo much worse in the 4th gen, I can only imagine what toxic fans will look like in 5th gen.

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    I also felt the same but especially BTS because they broke world records that even matched the Beatles in no.1 charts, they are basically in the same level as the very top western artist and already surpassed over 99% of the american in turns of stadium concerts. Even Blackpink is nowhere close to BTS achievement, they can only match in the youtube 24 hours, highest views, most subscribers contest, which they win in some but BTS was so great they were even invited to the UN and president Biden

    The halcyon days of KPop is now history.


    The 4th Gen is not up to speed, and technically, KPop's biggest star is a certain 1,344 years old, with the inconvenient fact that she has never really been part of KPop.

    its not the expectation from the toxic ones



    cause toxic ones be like "my fave can do/chart (insert achievement)" and others try to beat that and its mainly the toxic fans that cause it


    normal and non chart focused fans just vibe and don't care about charts

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    wonder how many people noticed 'form' instead of 'from' in the title but whatever. i don't really care about the rankings. return on investment is probably more important. if the group continually loses money then it won't be long til they die off and i just want to enjoy the groups i like for as long as possible so i would hope that their sales numbers are doing well

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    Changed the title of the thread from “BTS and Blackpink have created messed up expectations form KPOP fans.” to “BTS and Blackpink have created messed up expectations from KPOP fans.”.
    Quote from Icaro_Ribeiro

    Nobody says NJ is flopping


    Yet...

    Give it a week or two... ;-)


    Thing is: I can understand why expectations are high. There is a massive sales boost all across Kpop.

    Even several girl groups now break the 1 million mark, which was a very special thing for boy groups once upon a time. Sales go through the roof. More and more mid-tier groups can comfortably exist.


    Spotify streams don't always keep up, though especially New Jeans shows that a Kpop can make quick strides there internationally as well.


    Huge concert venues are still hard for most except for a few select groups, but even that is increasing. It wasn't that long ago that BTS still did arenas, and now many groups are doing arena tours.


    The one thing that is lacking is radio, but that has increasingly less value amongst especially young people, who prefer streaming the music they choose instead of whatever some deejay gets told he has to play.

    Wow, BTS must have a very large fandom to have a single song stay at the top for so long.

    GP can be very fickle, so it's great BTS has both GP support and fandom.

    Funny how you moved the conversation to Korea only too, instead of worldwide.


    And now you can tell me how BP did this and I will tell you BTS did that.


    Fact is that BTS is bigger than BP, but BP is doing really well in many ways and would have been even bigger if they had more comebacks.

    Lets look at certifications on Gaon:

    For Streaming (ie where streams are heavily filtered out and to obtain these certficaitions you CANNOT rely on fandom power)


    Korean Groups with the most songs certified to have over 300M Streams on Circle (Gaon)

    BTS - 3

    BP - 0


    Kpop Group Songs with the most digital points

    1. Spring Day

    Fun fact: It holds this record despite this not including its full 11 months from its first year where digital points weren't a thing yet.

    2. Boy With Luv
    3. Dynamite


    And if you want to talk about being at the top


    Longest Charting songs at #1 on Circle Weekly Chart

    Dynamite - 11 weeks

    Butter - 5 weeks


    No BP song has spent more than 3 weeks at #1 on circle weekly


    Kpop groups with the most #1 songs:

    Bigbang - 11

    2NE1/Twice/Sistar - 9

    BTS/SNSD - 8

    BP does not rank in the top 5 of acts with the most #1 songs -



    Kpop Groups with most weeks at #1

    BTS - 24

    BP does not rank in the top 5 of acts with most weeks at #1 - BTS is #2 behind IU.


    Circle Digital Chart - Wikipedia

    - can see the records here


    I can go on and on if you want.

    Please girl group stans stop linking and involving BTS into your GIRL group fights. WE DON'T CARE. And LMAO at the false equivalence of putting BP on the same tier as BTS. Please worry about the next fourth gen girl group snatching all of BP records soon and leave us alone. :pepe-sad:

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    Lol that user is one of the two on this forum that don't know shit about charts and especially BTS charting. You didn't need to clock them but glad you did. They be so loud and wrong. :eyeroll-pepe:

    I've said it before and I'll say it again


    there are many definitions of the word "flop" as it relates to charting


    1. to not chart at all - fairly obvious that if one fails to enter the charts at all then it's a flop

    2. to not chart as well as previous songs - this is fairly understandable that if a group had a PAK for one song but the next song only made it (let's say to the top 20) then one might argue that since the song didn't do as well as previously then it's a flop

    3. to not chart as well compared to their peers - the question who one's peers are is important since charting is by it's very definition about who one is higher or lower than...some people will say if x charted worse than y then x is a flop

    4. to not chart as well as expectations (this is the most subjective) - here a group flops because there is an expectation that certain groups will perform well whether based on prior success or company reputation...this generally applies to the larger or more popular groups - ie. if IU failed to chart (maybe) in the top 5 then one might argue that because of IU's prior successes then her level of expectations is much higher than a lesser known artist or group...


    and that's only as it related to charting

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    Be honest, Twice did that for GGs

    Why would twice set standards for the newcomers when they sell even lesser than the top 4th gen per album? Their cumulative sales is impressive but their sales per album isnt that good (only latest album crossed 1.5mil sales). Even nmixx and ITZY will outdo them soon with that trajectory


    If anything Twice ever contributed to the kpop GGs scene, is their hardworking culture of releasing up to 6-7 comebacks (including Japan & Korea) per year.


    I can see IVE, lesserafim taking notes on them, and are trying to do so too

    You didn't have to end them like that :skull:

    The his didn’t start with BP and BTS it’s just the standards changed overtime. This has always existed just the standards change overtime. Other groups achieve a market of success and if other groups can’t do that but still do well then it’s considered a flop. That’s due to the fact that Kpop is not really about the music so much but bragging about your group. I think BTS and BP seem to show more here because they have bigger fandoms and thus more success Stan’s seemingly. But this has existed forever since at least 2013 when I started looking into Kpop just different scales

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    Why would twice set standards for the newcomers when they sell even lesser than the top 4th gen per album? Their cumulative sales is impressive but their sales per album isnt that good (only latest album crossed 1.5mil sales). Even nmixx and ITZY will outdo them soon with that trajectory


    If anything Twice ever contributed to the kpop GGs scene, is their hardworking culture of releasing up to 6-7 comebacks (including Japan & Korea) per year.


    I can see IVE, lesserafim taking notes on them, and are trying to do so too


    Remind me please how old are these fourth gen groups? At most 4 years old correct? Twice is entering their 9th year and still sells competitively with all of them. They sold 1.7 million albums with their last release in their 8th year since their debut. They have increased steadily every single comeback. Also Twice was the first group to do a stadium in Japan and America so other girl groups are following their lead there. So again show me any girl group that comes back as frequently as Twice and has remained one of the top selling girl groups over nearly a decade. The answer is there isn’t one and that is the standard Twice is setting.

    Ive, or Starship/Kakao in the era of preorders, chose to increase week 1 album sales for days 2 to 7 from 45% to 55%, instead of chart at #1 on day 1 with a title track. That was their decision. Because they deviated so much from what they have done in the past digitally, people say they have "flopped".


    BTS, BP and Twice have paved the way, Success to get to their level will take several years. But because they paved the way, it has made it easier for their juniors and they wont need to take 5-7 years to reach the same level.

    the thread is derailing. Calling MOD


    OP obviously was quoting 1 top BG and 1 top GG and said they set expectations high for the rookies/new gens. OP NEVER said they are on same league level. Some pressed stans jsut randomly came and made it into BP not on same level as BTS

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    I also felt the same but especially BTS because they broke world records that even matched the Beatles in no.1 charts, they are basically in the same level as the very top western artist and already surpassed over 99% of the american in turns of stadium concerts. Even Blackpink is nowhere close to BTS achievement, they can only match in the youtube 24 hours, highest views, most subscribers contest, which they win in some but BTS was so great they were even invited to the UN and president Biden

    well, there's Wembley Stadium and multiple BB hot 100 number Ones to name a few.

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    Quote from gerrard174

    the thread is derailing. Calling MOD


    OP obviously was quoting 1 top BG and 1 top GG and said they set expectations high for the rookies/new gens. OP NEVER said they are on same league level. Some pressed stans jsut randomly came and made it into BP not on same level as BTS

    Actually, it was someone who is not a BTS fan nor a BP stan who started this whole thing and then a BP fan responded.

    I regret responding to that in turn, as it was fanwar bait from that first non-BP/non-BTS stan. Maybe I did because it is the one Blink here that often uses opportunities to drag BTS. Most Blinks here are cool. Still, I shouldn't have started arguing against it.


    Good you're calling mod, but there is another thread where people* are swearing at each other for several pages using the c-word etc. I reported it, but nothing has been done about it. Also reported some Twitter drama being brought here about two days ago, which I understand is also not allowed here, but that thread is still open too. So, I wouldn't count on mods doing much anymore.


    * and the one using the c-word is the same person as the non-BP/no-BTS fan who started all this in this thread.

    Quote from gerrard174

    Why would twice set standards for the newcomers when they sell even lesser than the top 4th gen per album? Their cumulative sales is impressive but their sales per album isnt that good (only latest album crossed 1.5mil sales). Even nmixx and ITZY will outdo them soon with that trajectory


    If anything Twice ever contributed to the kpop GGs scene, is their hardworking culture of releasing up to 6-7 comebacks (including Japan & Korea) per year.


    I can see IVE, lesserafim taking notes on them, and are trying to do so too

    Oh no, are we really gonna go through this again, as if last 3-4 years wasn't enough? 1 hour should be enough to learn the correlation between supply and demand. Did you ever go to school?

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