The court rejected FIFTY FIFTY’s request for an injunction to suspend their contracts

Fifty fifty (and their greedy parents) ended themselves successfully WhyKnock

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Fifty fifty (and their greedy parents) ended themselves successfully WhyKnock

Korea shooting itself at the foot again.

They will do a loona sooner or later, and defenders of greedy and short sided owners can continue to defend them as these owners run their acts to the ground.

Well, It was obvious, the claims weren't exactly strong to begin with.

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There is no way the girls are going back. The bridges are all burnt long ago.

At the worst they will sit out 6 more years. Jeon can launch Fifty Fifty 2, but he will fail since he never really succeeded on anything.

I personally think eventually it will end up like Loona, ending around early next year when there is another election cycle in Korea so few people will be paying attention to this.

Well it happened to some Loona members they couldn’t get their contract nullified and then they filled for a law suit and they succeeded other than that Fifity Fifity won’t ever go back to that company that damn ceo did everything in his power to ruin the group’s image

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more details can be found on the naver article

here are the main points: (i just used papago for this so may not be 100% accurate)

- one of the main claims for the injunction is the 0 krw music revenue for the account statement for April. turns out the The Givers' staff that was the accounting employee for fiftyfifty made the mistake and Attrakt corrected the ommission of income in the financial statements as soon as they got content certification on June.

- another claim was about the neglect of health protection but the court said that the evidence provided by fifty fifty didn't sufficiently explain that there was really negligence. when attrakt got to know about their health problems, they immediately sent them to the hospital and adjusted the group's schedule accordingly.

- their last claim was that attrakt wouldn't be able to support their activities since the contract with the givers has now ended. the court said it is difficult to say that attrakt is violating the contract just because the givers is no longer in charge of the related tasks.

the court also pointed out that none of these claims/issues were raised to attrakt first before filing an injunction. it was also pointed out that attrakt suspended their activities because of aran's surgery, and then suddenly the group filed for injunction.

I'll just distance myself from the girls / attrakt and wait for the conclusion lol.

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Well it happened to some Loona members they couldn’t get their contract nullified and then they filled for a law suit and they succeeded other than that Fifity Fifity won’t ever go back to that company that damn ceo did everything in his power to ruin the group’s image

5050 need to come back with better claims and evidence which unfortunately seems like they don't have it.

Their situation is really different with Loona where there were unfair terms in their contract. 5050 so far didn't have this problem based on their claims. Most idols going through contract termination have solid proof like this in their contract to stregthen their claims which 5050 didn't have for now.

The two Loona members gotten their contract fix which making them need to submit extra evidence and took them longer to win their case while the court using Chuu as the references for other members making their contract termination going smooth and fast.

ouch

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more details can be found on the naver article

here are the main points: (i just used papago for this so may not be 100% accurate)

- one of the main claims for the injunction is the 0 krw music revenue for the account statement for April. turns out the The Givers' staff that was the accounting employee for fiftyfifty made the mistake and Attrakt corrected the ommission of income in the financial statements as soon as they got content certification on June.

- another claim was about the neglect of health protection but the court said that the evidence provided by fifty fifty didn't sufficiently explain that there was really negligence. when attrakt got to know about their health problems, they immediately sent them to the hospital and adjusted the group's schedule accordingly.

- their last claim was that attrakt wouldn't be able to support their activities since the contract with the givers has now ended. the court said it is difficult to say that attrakt is violating the contract just because the givers is no longer in charge of the related tasks.

the court also pointed out that none of these claims/issues were raised to attrakt first before filing an injunction. it was also pointed out that attrakt suspended their activities because of aran's surgery, and then suddenly the group filed for injunction.

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Tl, dr:

FF is a property of Attrakt and it was wrong to go against your owners

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5050 need to come back with better claims and evidence which unfortunately seems like they don't have it.

Their situation is really different with Loona where there were unfair terms in their contract. 5050 so far didn't have this problem based on their claims. Most idols going through contract termination have solid proof like this in their contract to stregthen their claims which 5050 didn't have for now.

The two Loona members gotten their contract fix which making them need to submit extra evidence and took them longer to win their case while the court using Chuu as the references for other members making their contract termination going smooth and fast.

It all comes down to one thing - whether Jeon intended to use FF income t o pay his own debts

Everything else is noise

It seems the court is trying to side with the companies to preserve status quo, same reason trot and lee Jieun are still strong in Korea

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Tl, dr:

FF is a property of Attrakt and it was wrong to go against your owners

Idols are not properties

Good

I never been against a group more in my life. These girls ruined their own career and they deserve everything they get. They are snakes.

Why are people comparing this to Loona. It's a different situation with different claims.

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Tl, dr:

FF is a property of Attrakt and it was wrong to go against your owners

If Attrackt didnt do anything wrong as the court said, so whose in fault now? Not you acting like we the non idols people didn't face things like this by signing a working contract. We will lose or even worst getting sued if we are trying to pull something like 5050 with no concrete evidence. Not like they can't get out from that contracf if they really want it. Just paid the fees and they can go wherever they want, instead they killing their careers for nothing.

This is why school and knowledge is important for idols, so they can at least do some precedent study and calculate their chance to win before attempt any legal move especially only 4 month after debut.

Addition: The court usually siding with idols more than the company, soo... and I remember reading your past comments confidently saying the girls will win. You really bad at predicting things

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Idols are not properties

This ruling basically says idols are properties of the owners and they are at the mercy of the owners

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If Attrackt didnt do anything wrong as the court said, so whose in fault now? Not you acting like we the non idols people didn't face things like this by signing a working contract. We will lose or even worst getting sued if we are trying to pull something like 5050 with no concrete evidence. Not like they can't get out from that contracf if they really want it. Just paid the fees and they can go wherever they want, instead they killing their careers for nothing.

This is why school and knowledge is important for idols, so they can at least do some precedent study and calculate their chance to win before attempt any legal move especially only 4 month after debut.

And end up like Chuu, whose entire income in the last 3 years were all spent to pay BlackBerry's debts and now she is not what she used to be.

Idols have a shelf life. With most of their income used to pay Jeon's many debts, they end up tossed to the street like GFriend.

I do not subscribe to the 'longer run' theory floated by some Koreans. If BTS chose to evade the military services they would have made $10 billion in the next 4 years and the country singers would not have been able to form a strong alliance which will crush them in 2026.

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And end up like Chuu, whose entire income in the last 3 years were all spent to pay BlackBerry's debts and now she is not what she used to be.

Idols have a shelf life. With most of their income used to pay Jeon's many debts, they end up tossed to the street like GFriend.

I do not subscribe to the 'longer run' theory floated by some Koreans. If BTS chose to evade the military services they would have made $10 billion in the next 4 years and the country singers would not have been able to form a strong alliance which will crush them in 2026.

And what is the difference now? They end up losing and might need to pay for the termination fees or stay in the dungeon till their contract end with no possible chance to become an idols anymore. Tgey also heavily dislike in their own country. So what now? All these things are what Chuu able to dodge. At least Chuu will get her hardworking money back from bbc. 5050? They will dissapear just like that with nothing in their pocket.

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And what is the difference now? They end up losing and might need to pay for the termination fees or stay in the dungeon till their contract end with no possible chance to become an idols anymore. Tgey also heavily dislike in their own country. So what now? All these things are what Chuu able to dodge. At least Chuu will get her hardworking money back from bbc. 5050? They will dissapear just like that with nothing in their pocket.

Never say never. Jeon will not earn any more from them. Any fervor on his favor will be gone after a few weeks as people move on to something else.

It just means KPop becomes more corporate and generic, with only the most desperate people would join and increasingly dominated by people from southeast asia.

KPop in Korea is irrelevant. I don't have to explain it again. Not being liked in one's country means nothing now.

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Never say never. Jeon will not earn any more from them. Period

And the girls will earn nothing and ruining their careers and image forever. Lose lose situation but the ceo can always coming back to the industry, but not the girls

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And the girls will earn nothing and ruining their careers and image forever. Lose lose situation but the ceo can always coming back to the industry, but not the girls

How? It was shown that he should not be in charge of a lemonade stand

He will be a front for someone who wants to run an idol company, but that will probably be it

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How? It was shown that he should not be in charge of a lemonade stand

He will be a front for someone who wants to run an idol company, but that will probably be it

we all say you are not good in predicting things, watch out he will come back with more successful group

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we all say you are not good in predicting things, watch out he will come back with more successful group

he had HotShot and Ha Sungwoon, both of whom he ran to the ground

He has the reverse midas' touch. Everything he touches runs to the ground.

At most some company might hire him like So Sungjin , the ex owner of Source who now has no power in Hybe.

interesting

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It all comes down to one thing - whether Jeon intended to use FF income t o pay his own debts

Everything else is noise

It seems the court is trying to side with the companies to preserve status quo, same reason trot and lee Jieun are still strong in Korea

As long as he is lives up to the contract he can use his share of the revenue to pay for his debt.

That is normal.

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And what is the difference now? They end up losing and might need to pay for the termination fees or stay in the dungeon till their contract end with no possible chance to become an idols anymore. Tgey also heavily dislike in their own country. So what now? All these things are what Chuu able to dodge. At least Chuu will get her hardworking money back from bbc. 5050? They will dissapear just like that with nothing in their pocket.

Probably not, BBC may go under and Chu and the other girls may never get any money from them, but at least they are free of the contract.

Welp by media playing too much, JHJ ironically won nothing lol, he now has an asset that is hated by the public, don't want to work with him, they all lost. I mean sure, JHJ can start over but with zero production skills not only he needs to find new Fifty Fifty 2.0 but The Givers 2.0 as well.

Keep in mind that there is also a separate criminal case filed by Fifty Fifty against JHJ/Attrakt. They'll be on this for months to come. I hope Aran can at least post some song covers in the meantime.

Fuck around and find out...fifty fifty and Ahn Sung Il reached the find out phase.

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Welp by media playing too much, JHJ ironically won nothing lol, he now has an asset that is hated by the public, don't want to work with him, they all lost. I mean sure, JHJ can start over but with zero production skills not only he needs to find new Fifty Fifty 2.0 but The Givers 2.0 as well.

Keep in mind that there is also a separate criminal case filed by Fifty Fifty against JHJ/Attrakt. They'll be on this for months to come. I hope Aran can at least post some song covers in the meantime.

Private citizens can't file criminal cases. They can only submit criminal complaints. Whether or not the courts choose to follow up on it is at their discretion.

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Private citizens can't file criminal cases. They can only submit criminal complaints. Whether or not the courts choose to follow up on it is at their discretion.

Thanks for correcting the details.

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Welp by media playing too much, JHJ ironically won nothing lol, he now has an asset that is hated by the public, don't want to work with him, they all lost. I mean sure, JHJ can start over but with zero production skills not only he needs to find new Fifty Fifty 2.0 but The Givers 2.0 as well.

Keep in mind that there is also a separate criminal case filed by Fifty Fifty against JHJ/Attrakt. They'll be on this for months to come. I hope Aran can at least post some song covers in the meantime.

He won that they can't leave for the moment without paying, that's what the members wanted.

And even if they can leave, he will win something, that they won't be able to be idols in their home country any more if a drastic change doesn't happen.

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He won that they can't leave for the moment without paying, that's what the members wanted.

And even if they can leave, he will win something, that they won't be able to be idols in their home country any more if a drastic change doesn't happen.

Which means nothing since they were never really popular in Korea to begin with

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Welp by media playing too much, JHJ ironically won nothing lol, he now has an asset that is hated by the public, don't want to work with him, they all lost. I mean sure, JHJ can start over but with zero production skills not only he needs to find new Fifty Fifty 2.0 but The Givers 2.0 as well.

Keep in mind that there is also a separate criminal case filed by Fifty Fifty against JHJ/Attrakt. They'll be on this for months to come. I hope Aran can at least post some song covers in the meantime.

I'm so upset about Aran.

She has the literal voice of an angel. I was so excited to see where her career would go. And, now I know.

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He won that they can't leave for the moment without paying, that's what the members wanted.

And even if they can leave, he will win something, that they won't be able to be idols in their home country any more if a drastic change doesn't happen.

Hopefully they can negotiate a buyout of their contracts.

Obviously they can't work together anymore, all trust in both directions is gone.

But they girls will have to pay to get out, or give up any rights they may have to the revenues of the song.

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I'm so upset about Aran.

She has the literal voice of an angel. I was so excited to see where her career would go. And, now I know.

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Not that fast

Attrakt's lawyers will try to drag it as long as possible but the girls won't work with him.

One thing is sure. After all of these are over, none of the girls will retain their Korean citizenship. They will be artists in some other country, and never promote in Korea ever again.

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Hopefully they can negotiate a buyout of their contracts.

Obviously they can't work together anymore, all trust in both directions is gone.

But they girls will have to pay to get out, or give up any rights they may have to the revenues of the song.

To me the best could happen is that someone buys the group and that's it, for the group and for the label, they can't work together anymore, and that way no one would lose. But rn is really hard, I just can see Warner doing that, and I don't know if they would do it after having the whole Korea against the group.