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I feel some people are acting like if the girls had no chances at all? We don't know how the case is going to turn out yet, but if the injunction was not accepted we'd be getting teasers of their redebut right now and celebrating it as a win of NJZ, which is what most people thought was gonna happen a week ago.

Where they really that far? Other judge might have looked at the case and consider that Ador and Hybe are not separate entities (which they are not and hopefully they'll be more reasonable in the future) and consider NJZ had legal basis to terminate the contract because the mistreatment coming from the other labels is obvious. Maybe other would look at the 14 days period the girls gave to Ador, see that they made the correct steps and let them be. As simple as that. I might be biased but I insist there're some points that make little sense to me, I'd really like someone who says NJZ was completely wrong tell me if they consider Ador to be a separate entity to Hybe seriously because that alone changes everything.

Now that the judge have chosen to accept the injunction it's really easy to say NJZ were completely mistaken, and ofc there are people that were saying the girls were in the wrong since the beginning and are gonna brag about how they were right now. However the truth is this was a grey topic and there were many lawyers in Korea saying the injunction was likely to be rejected. Sadly we're at this point now, but Dreamer hit the nail some posts back, I see many people acting like if this judge decision is the absolute truth when they could be wrong, other judge might have decided other thing, and of course the Korean system is completely fucked up.

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All true.

Nevertheless we can fix the context as this Melon Dataset and analyse, compare, rank. Even if there are other datasets.

We could ask why EXO, BP, TWICE who were huge in 2016-2020 don't have a song in top 10. Or how Paul Kim has 2 in top 10, IU doesn't

The truth is in Korea, during the 3rd gen Kpop was at its weakest (2016-2020 yep).

There were many hits and some of them really big, but soloists in general were more powerful. We had cases like 2019 when we spent almost the whole year without an idol reaching #1, in 2016 all kpop fans consider Cheer up the undisputed SOTY but Urban Zakapa, MC the Max or Bolbbalgan4 all released songs with similar numbers to Cheer up. In general if we check the yearly charts, in the top 20-30 not even half of the songs are Kpop.

During the 2nd gen Kpop was stronger, and it came back with the 4th gen. If we could check the top 10 of the last few years it would be basically 3 NJ songs, a couple of Ive and Aespa, and then 2-4 soloists making it with 1 song, so if Melon users had peaked in the last years, this same analysis in 2030 would show the 4th gen ggs dominating in a radical way.

However regardless of the generation, ballads often have the best longevity, so it helps in the long run and for ranks like this one made after years of analysis.

The IU case is simply a coincidence, she didn't have that many comebacks during those years, if the context was the same for the last 15 years she'd probably have more than 1 entry in the top 10, or at least have many entries in the top 20 or top 30 (Good day, Merry Christmas in advance, You & I, Friday, Meaning of you, Not Spring love or cherry blossom, Through the night and Blueming are all probably top 30 of the last decade), Paul kim just happened to have 3 massive hits all during 2018-2019 when the users were peaking, and 2 made it into the list. His one hit that didn't make it is his Hotel del Luna OST, ironically IU's drama.

I enjoy myself a bit too much talking about charts lol.

People that keep mentioning MHJ as the reason why the girls left the company are so tiring seriously. They've mentioned many other reasons we're so tired to repeat over and over I'm genuinely disappointed people can't empathyze with them and understand to leave was their only realistic option. You'd expect after the internal documents were exposed the Kpop community would open their eyes but no way that's impossible.

I can agree with people that suggest they should have waited more or do it in other way, I've read some interesting opinions... But to stay at Hybe was not an option, and if you think so you're either missing a lot of context, wanting to hate on the girls, or simply you're dumb.

The results are not surprising, it's basically the songs with the most streams.

To add some context since I'm not a fan of raw numbers, artists that peaked during 2016-2020 and songs released during that time have a huge advantage because it's when Melon had the most users (they're literally the whole top 10 apart from Sung si kyung's song that is a winter recharting song that's been charting for years really high), prior to that Melon had less users and also the digital market was focused on downloads, so playlists were less relevant, and after 2020 with the Melon chart reform users started dropping to the point the peak of most songs now is sometimes below the half of what we were used to before.

Thanks god sometimes we can turn the thread into a place to have interesting conversations about the topic.

Regarding NJZ and Ador negotiating, that's impossible. I'm pretty sure Ador prefer to block them as long as they can before allowing them to be free and see them succeed out of the label, even if they can make a lot of money for them. Pride and the image of them "winning" the legal battle is more important at this point.

I have a question for neutral people, if you're a Hybe stan I don't give a fuck about your opinion and bunnies might obviously be biased because we're supporting NJZ, so please I want some more opinions.

What do you think the girls should have done after MHJ's dismissal? I see MANY people saying the girls are just doing this because of MHJ, which is obviously not true, but I want more arguments.

We know (facts, not opinions) that Hybe told them they were going to put them on a 18 months hiatus, which would probably mean to put them in dungeon until 2026, give them a comeback and put them in dungeon again, completely ruining their careers or, in the most positive situation, milking a bit their fans with some tours while trying to keep them away from the focus to make their public presence decrease as the new CEO of Hybe said.

Also, it's not just about MHJ. All the old Ador team were kicked out or left the company. Not just the people handling everything but the creatives, dance team that worked with them etc etc. What people were replacing them? People put by Hybe from the other labels. Who are these people? People that were receiving Hybe's internal documents exposed in the national assembly months ago, saying things such as how they should erase NJ, the same people that made Belift's video targetting them, the same people from SouMu that might have leaked their predebut videos... They were left alone in the company with people that from their point of view were completely impossible to trust.

Is NJZ going to win the legal battle? I don't have any fucking idea. Honestly I thought that with the facts we know they were going to, but it seems the judge doesn't agree with me. Hybe has more power, has more money, has more connections and this is like living in hell. OF COURSE THE GIRLS DIDN'T WANT ALL THIS TO HAPPEN but what were the other options? To stay there in the company full of people that despise them for 5 years with 1 comeback like they did with Fromis_9? And the Fromis girls didn't even have any problem with the company but it's obvious there were many people in Hybe that wanted to bring NJ down.

I have no idea what will be the outcome of all this but as a fan I can't be more proud of the girls risking everything for doing what they think it's right. I'm hoping for a happy ending but even if this ends in a disaster I'm going to support them till the end, and I find really funny that people that shouldn't even care about the girls are everywhere saying how they "ruined their career", soooo easy to say it now. We've had cases in Kpop like TVXQ, Jessica Jung, Loona or Fifty fifty and it seems we've learnt nothing. I really have no idea how the whole Kpop community isn't rooting for the girls right now, I'm not saying everybody should turn into fans but at least hope for the best for them instead of encourage the hate.

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One interesting thing in the judge report is that he clearly state the Ador was created for NewJeans and that NewJeans is the only group under Ador. He considers that it would be really difficult for Ador to keep going without NewJeans. Most people see a battle between a giant conglomerate and group of young girls but for the judge it's more a battle between a very popular group and a small label

Kinda hard to convice someone that a company don't take care of it's single asset as it makes no sense business wise.

This. I realized many points of the judges are too "correct", let me explain.

What you said is one example, but also how they act like if Ador is not the same as Hybe, when we all know it is. Hell Hybe literally removed Ador's old team to put their people managing the company, it's obvious they will, it doesn't make sense to separate the entities. Of course if you separate them the current Ador can't be blamed of most things since the origin is Hybe, Belift or SouMu, but they can't tell me they're going to ignore the impact of Hybe in Ador...

Also with how they act like if Ador didn't have time enough to boycott the girls careers after MHJ dismissal since they announced the termination of the contract too early. However, the girls were told by Hybe back in May they were going to put them on a long hiatus, and they were supposed to have a comeback last october and the release of the album before the end of the year probably in december under MHJ, but these plans were cancelled.

Officially they might not have done any big change but this change of plans are more important than anything specially in a industry like Kpop where most kpop groups during their peak years have to comeback at least twice each year to remain relevant.

I wonder if this is because it's just an injunction, so they don't have that much time to review everything and they might just focus on the obvious things, or if it's directly the judges being (or acting?) too innocent...

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You said the courts didn't mention about the stuff like the videos and the CEO statement?

So what did the courts actually mention and what was their verdict on it?

Did they talk about the stuff like the Illit allegation? Or the brand ambassador stuff? Or the Hybe first GG stuff? Or the correction of sales stuff? Or the ignoring Hanni stuff?

How did you know what the courts did or did notention any source? Because I'm sure we are all curious what was actually addressed and what the outcome and decision of the court was regarding those issues

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I don't have the source but it's quite easy to find it searching a bit in Twitter, to search it is going to take you the same time it would take me.

Can we please stop relating what NJZ do with MHJ? Her dismissal was one of the main reasons why NJZ decided to leave the company, but it was not a random decision, it was because she and the old ADOR team were the only ones defending them in the company.

The girls have explained 100 times many other reasons and us the fans have repeated them 1000 times, if you don't think the ignoring issue is important then we can talk about the leaked predebut videos, if not we can talk about Hybe contacting the press to manipulate NJ's articles, if that's still not enough we can talk about Belift's video sexualizing them... People simplifying the situation to make it seem it's just an extension of the MHJ issue is to underrate a lot what the girls have been through and an obvious try to make their decision to terminate the contract look worse.

Just leave MHJ alone, she has her own legal fights (last week there was one postponed by SouMu for example...). The girls have barely mentioned her these last months for a reason, they've their own fight with Hybe and it's not related to MHJ at all, not anymore.

The more I read the court decision the less I understand it.

They skip important points NJZ pointed out such as the leaked predebut content or the Belift video. They don't say anything about Hybe's new CEO statement that literally says he plans to damage NJ's brand value to take them down??????? And they focus on things such as the fact that ADOR pay them??? It's almost like they don't even understand NJZ's claims

I know it's just an injunction and we're talking about contracts here but the fact that they're missing so many emotional and psychological points to focus on money feels like we're talking just about the IP of an article and not about the potential career of 5 girls. Apart from the girls thoughts they got 30k signatures from their fandom so how do they expect them to continue promoting under Ador? It's obvious they won't, this is literally to stop their careers for a really long time. It's an awful notice and to prohibit NJZ to continue promoting until the final court decision when they've been adamant about them not working again with Hybe/Ador is a super cruel decision. Let's not forget it's not just about advertisements but Ador included in the injunction to make them stop things such as singing and songwritting, it sounded completely ridiculous when it was revealed.

I don't know what to think anymore, ig I'll try to watch the complexcon performance and wait for the next updates... I'm sad, I'm angry, I'm confused... I just hope the girls are ok.

The most similar thing to Cheer up these last years is Love Dive, the named 5th gen girl groups (I personally think we should still be in the 4th gen) is still far to have anything comparable to the peak songs of other gen groups.

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Actually yes, bboom bboom topped charts, no? It went viral in SK. What was magnetic peak on k charts?

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Pretty sure it got an all-kill, so definitely #1.

Bboom Bboom was second only to D4 in 2018, and that's only in terms of peak performance (granted D4 came out in the summer whereas BB came out early Jan).

By year end, only Love Scenario had a higher digital score than BB.

The comparison is not bad actually, Bboom bboom never topped anything, its rise was at the same time Love scenario was released. It was at #5 in the yearly chart, Magnetic was at #8 but released later, I'd say they're on the same level in Korea.

Tomorrow should be the day. The injunction is for many things, but the most important event from now until the court day is definitely Complexcon, it would be a nonsense if they waited to give the result after they perform, it would be almost like ignoring the injunction lmao.

Meanwhile, the girls are still working...

Calm before the storm.

The injunction results have to be out this week and we still don't know anything. It often takes some days so I was personally expecting it for the 20th. NJZ is meanwhile giving these small teasers with their animals logos (they've 2 days left, or 3 if they use the "NJZ" logo too) so they can continue being active teasing their upcoming performance and redebut without going too far before knowing the injunction results.

At this point this all is going too close to the performance though. In my head the perfect timing would have been to announce the single (the song they're going to perform) for friday next week, right after the performance and right after the injunction when everybody is still talking about them. It would also be the week before the court date (April 3rd) so NJZ would be the main topic of basically all the Kpop world in that moment. Meanwhile they could announce the album/single or whatever they've planned for late April right after MHJ's court date with HYBE (April 17th)

However I've the feeling this would be too sudden now (Would it? They've been teasing the redebut for a month now but it still feels they've things left idk...). I really think something like this was the original plan but the injuntion delaying everything might have changed the plans a bit, at this point it makes more sense we don't have any release until April.

It pisses me off a bit because come on, how funny would it be all these things happening while NJZ is topping the charts and maybe even improving their performance? We've been suffering this bullshit for a year, I want some fun too.

To see people (not all the people in the thread) that obviously joined Kpop in the last 5 years talking about SNSD's success is quite funny ngl.

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They're 3rd gen. We're starting to move into 5th Gen now.

Now that I think about. When was the last time a boy group got a PAK? BTS?

I'm pretty sure it was Still Life lmao.

Tbh it has been like this since late 3rd gen, 2018. Love scenario is the last big bg song with the exception of BTS and Bigbang comebacks, and those 2 are not normal groups after all.

Even Exo was doing way worse back then, Wanna one's debut and first comeback were big but then dropped, Ikon and Winner started flopping too... You have a couple of viral songs and that's it.

After so many years following Kpop, I just can say I'm so proud of Danielle, and I hope her words reach many people and not just her fans. I recommend any kpop fan to watch her live to have some important context of the idols you're following.

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But the fact that MHJ was shocked gives me pause. She was in SM of all places for decades, what was Hybe doing that would shock a long time SM exec? Or did Hybe tell her they were very different with their trainees and she was shocked at how bad the lie was?

She was just a creative in SM, her role back then is not comparable to what she was doing in ADOR. It's not weird she wasn't completely aware of how companies treated idols in their trainee days, she had no relationship with all that.

I'm not gonna be naive enough to say she did have no idea though, she was probably aware of how they were being unfair and too tough to them in a general way like we all know, but there were probably some specific restictions and rules that shocked her once she joined HYBE and had a closer relationship with trainees, as they'd have shocked anyone.

If you really wished the best for LSFM you'd be talking about hoping for a big comeback, to reach #1 in charts, to improve album sales... And not about snatching anyone's position. That's when the true intention of the thread becomes obvious.

For me it's 2011, there's too many iconic songs released that year, but I feel 2018 was kind of the 2011 of the 3rd gen, when most groups were peaking and active.

Anyway 2011:

SNSD - The boys

SNSD - Mr Taxi

IU - You & I

2NE1 - I am the best

2NE1 - Ugly

2NE1 - Lonely

SuJu - Mr Simple

Wonder Girls - Be my baby

T-ara - Roly Poly

T-ara - Cry cry

Kara - Step

Sistar - So cool

Hyuna - Bubble pop

TROUBLEMAKER

f(x) - Hot summer

And I'm skipping BIG comebacks like Bigbang, Secret, 4Minute, 2PM, Beast, Orange Caramel, Miss a, After school... because they weren't that iconic as the mentioned before and I know many ifans nowadays don't even know about some of them, but back at the time it was crazy the amount of hits and big comebacks we got from so many different groups.

Soumu pushing back the court date is smart actually. It's not gonna help them win in any way, but given the ridiculous situation they're going to live, they definitely should avoid doing it in the same day LSFM are coming back. It wouldn't surprise me if some things coming from the court would make more buzz than LSFM's comeback in Korea, and the company is definitely going to receive hate, not a good moment to be promoting.

As much as I hate SouMu and want to see them fail I'm glad they did this so LSFM can have a more or less chill comeback. We can laugh at them in a couple of months too and it's better if tomorrow we can focus just on NJZ in the case we have a resolution.

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coke used the old name

It's quite tricky, they didn't name them NewJeans, they just used new jeans referring to... jeans. They used NJZ in the promotional articles:

I think this is going a bit too far with playing with the old name, but if it's a brand this big doing it I guess there's no risk? At this point they're just laughing at Hybe lmao.