Posts by uwuwu-98

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And how are you so sure?? Like cmon, we both know you're not up to date on the private workings of this matter. You only know what has been made public and some of what has been made public is just entirely false. The rest is speculation.

I see it very clearly and that brings me to my point.

This dispute would've been settled much earlier if so much had not been made public.

Because of the overwhelming amount of publicity stunts and media plays (from both sides), the truth has been distorted and manipulated to the point that the public can't trust anything.

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Stop it.

You base all your arguments on how we can't be sure, how we don't know Hybe plans, how we only know what was made public...

The truth is this is the biggest expose of a company in kpop ever, they recognized the hiatus of NJ like Daisy just mentioned and you're just playing dumb, there were freaking internal documents recognizing they wanted to replace them since more than a year ago, when they announced the 18 months hiatus wasn't when NJ threaten to leave the company, it was back in May when the only topic on the table was MHJ's contract. They breach the trust with the girls with things such as leaking the predebut content or lying to Hanni about the video of the harassment BEFORE NJ even made their first live.

You know perfectly what's up, you're just acting like if we can't be sure but the truth is there wouldn't be any fandom in Kpop's existence that would want their favs to stay in a company under these circunstances. We've never gotten a company exposen like this ever and Hybe has not even tried to do anything for us to change our opinion. You're not tricking anyone, you're literally just discussing alone with other couple of users in all the threads, saying the same arguments over and over, how NJ shouldn't have said anything, how they should try to fix it with Hybe, how this is going to be bad for the girls... And everything is proving you wrong, when the girls now are free, they're happy, and they're confident they're doing the right thing, while the public, the brands and people of the industry are all showing them their support.

On the other hand we have Ador that can't even sue to tell them to comeback, they literally have to ask the court if the contract is valid or not because they aren't sure and because it's the only thing they can do, because if they go further it would backfire, again.

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I am probably very late to this, but could someone please explain why ARMY at least on X seem 'pressed' over this matter and support ADOR/HYBE rather than the Jeanz?

Most passive-aggressive stuff on my feed about Jeanz 'destroying their career' 'will be sent to jail' etc., have the superscript 7 on their ids, so am guessing they are ARMY.

They seem pissed with the level of public support Jeanz have in S Korea.

What is the deal with that?

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As simple as they believed Hybe mediaplay at first and chose their side. Once you are on one side, you're going to believe everything that fits the narrative, and you're going to attack the other side no matter what.

Hybe made them believe Hybe was some kind of enemy, and after that they just fed themselves. They spreaded misinformation making MHJ look worse than she really is, they didn't believe anything MHJ or NJ said regardless of court decisions or national assembly exposes lmao, and of course since NJ sided with MHJ they basically considered them enemies too. Once they're on that point it doesn't even matter what NJ do, they're their enemies, they're going to attack them for any reason. You can always find a excuse to hate on someone, or choose the argument that fits better your made up thoughts. They're creating the Hanni law in Korea and they're still shading the mistreatments NJ received, they left the company like they've been asking for months but they still think they're doing wrong because it didn't destroy their careers which is what they really wanted... They won't stop, don't bother to try to understand it.

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Having GP support is like winning the lottery, it may or may not happen. If it happens good for you. But if you have no job and just rely on winning the lottery/gambling all the time that’s not going to help you much.

I was not going to bother to join the discussion but I have to say this is a really, really, really bad comparison lmao.

It's not just that NJ have the public opinion on their side. They also have the industry on their side, which is what people that don't read about the issue have not yet realized.

Just look at what Vogue did today, not even mentioning NewJeans or Ador/Hybe, and letting MHJ work as the director of the project.

Each time a idol or professional of the industry talk about this topic is to praise the girls and say how they love them, tons of relevant people and brands follow their new Instagram account which is a way to reivindicate themselves against Ador...

Hybe just have money, nothing else, and contrary to what some people say sometimes, money is not everything.

No mention to NewJeans or Ador/Hybe.

It was posted in the NJ social media though, maybe the new Ador trying to make it seem everything is like always?

Edit: In Instragram Omega follows Jeanzforfree but not NewJeans.

Apart from the support of the brands, I'm really impressed by today's Harry Potter performance. They've announced they're leaving their label, they're ignoring the statements of Korea's organizations telling them to stop, they've openned their own Instagram where they're posting freely without anyone controlling them, proving the company is not controlling them anymore... And yet we still see how everybody is siding with them, allowing them to do performances like this that had to be expensive af, receiving tons of support from the audience in the Music bank performance, getting an insane social media exposure in their Instagram where they're basically just shitposting lmao.

The industry have chosen these 5 girls. All the discussions we can have regarding other things such as Hybe, MHJ, contracts... I feel they're starting to become less important. These 5 girls are going to be succesful in one way or another because everybody loves them, discussions here or in Twitter are not the reflection of most of the society that doesn't spend their life in social media getting involved in fanwars, for the general public NJ is on other level and many brands, companies and professionals of the industry are doing their best to make them succeed even more (for their own benefit too ofc).

They're bigger than their (former now) company, which is a limit really few groups have crossed. I'm 0 worried right now, I've been really positive since their live but I still had some doubts until some days ago about some things... Well now I'm completely confident, everything's going to be fine.

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I wonder what will happen with OG staffs like managers and choreographers, will they terminate their contract as well? Those are MHJ's peeps, unlikely they'll stick around.

+ the drama with the manager regarding the contracts with the brands... I'm pretty sure most people loyal to MHJ are terminating their contracts.

I'm really not worried about any blacklisting or the brands not supporting them... It's obvious they're on their side.

Oh my god I was laughing so hard when I saw the announcement this morning. I found this post that summarizes most of my thoughts:

But I'm going to insist on a couple of things.

How can you ban someone of CHARTS. This must be one of the most ridiculous threats I've seen in my whole life. The whole purpose of charts are to be a REFLECTION OF REALITY. It's not just that they're going to remove them but they're announcing it???????? Don't people realize how dumb this is? Their music is still going to make the same amount of money, it will still be there for anyone to play it, they're just not going to show them on their charts. They're basically shouting out loud their charts aregoing to be objectively unfair, they don't follow the rules of what a chart should be, and they're recognizing it. This is only negative for themselves, only fans care about charts but the public don't, and in NJ's case in specific, they've tons of public support, they're not a fandom driven group like others, to be removed from charts wouldn't have any significant negative impact on their performance, specially when they'd show up in other charts, anyone could see how well they're doing anyway, it's ridiculous.

Regarding the ban in music shows, I don't really care that much since nowadays promotions focus on more things, but i don't even think it's possible. They're not saying they will ban NJ (and Ablume) of the shows, they're asking the shows to ban them or they won't give their data, but the JYJ precedent changed the laws regarding this back in 2015 and I don't think the shows are allowed to do this freely, specially announcing it like that. Yes all this is blacklisting, but when you blacklist you don't announce it like this. It sounds more like a poor desperate try to scare them (and other idols not to follow their steps) but it has too many flaws.

I've the feeling Hybe have not yet realized about the problem here. I've been saying since May when MHJ wonthe first injunction the best option for Hybe is to back off, they don't have anything to gain in this dispute and everything became just a matter of pride, but they keep going further and further and make it worse. The public is on NJ's side, we're at a point that in the case they make a decision with a real impact that blocks NJ careers it wouldn't surprise me if even important idols would complain about it. They've been given 20 different chances to stop the war and they still making the same mistakes over and over.

Feel free to post your theories lmao

The petition reached 50k today, it's crazy how fast it rose specially considering most people interested had already voted the previous weeks. It seems bunnies promoted it as much as they could and other fandoms supported it too. Hopefully we'll hear news about it soon.

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How do we find the petition? And even if 50k happens, what's the guarantee that there will be an investigation? I don't really understand how this work.

It's just for Korean people, you've to give your phone number to sign.

If it reaches 50k it's when the national assembly evaluates it, it's not guaranteed it's going to succeed anyway since they've the last word, but it's the way for people to "contact" the Korean government and tell them what they want investigated.

The petition to investigate Hybe is now at 42k of 50k, with 4 days left. Today it got a big boost because Uaenas and Carats started supporting the project, if it continues getting the amount of signs it got today it would reach the 50k, but if it falls like these previous days it's going to be more complicated.

I hope more fandoms will join the petition.

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I do not give two shits about that woman, I'm here for NewJeans and NewJeans only

I say it to everybody regarding MHJ, if you don't like MHJ it's completely fine, but I find surprising that you (who I consider reasonable) have not yet assumed MHJ is tied to NJ in this situation. NJ winning means MHJ winning and the opposite, this whole plan was 99% sure made all together and the only reasonable option for NJ in the short term is to join MHJ with whatever she does after this because she already had planned YEARS of NJs careers.

I don't know what you gain out of mentioning over and over how much you dislike her and post negative thoughts about her when you're supporting her plan because it's NJ's plan too, not sure if it's because your hate for her blinds you or what but if you really want to support NJ during this conflict just stay neutral about MHJ, respect the girls opinions (that are more valuable than ours) and then, when they win and we can start forgetting about all this, you can start your campaign to claim NJ's best option would be to separate from MHJ and follow their own careers in some years... But not now.

I've enough with the tokkis fighting against themselves in Twitter (and not even because of this lmao), at least let's be on the same team here.

Again, i find so funny how these statements are focused on how much this can impact the industry and how people won't invest on Kpop that much, they don't give a fuck about the artists themselves.

Maybe you all should have cared about creating a healthy environment instead of this fucked up industry that exploits idols? This was a bomb that was going to blow up sooner or later, if it hurts the companies I'm going to be the first one celebrating it.

She's not worse than the average CEO of any company. Actually, pretty sure she's one of the best considering Hybe got YEARS of her private conversations and the worst they could find is her talking with a shaman and her swearing around with her friends, they had to manipulate screenshoots to put her in a worse position.

I'm completely sure if we could get the private convs of any other CEO we would see waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse stuff. Actually not even a CEO, but almost any individual have content in their private conversations that would put them in a really delicate situation, and that content dropped out of context could completely destroy the public image of anyone, and when I say anyone I mean literally anyone.

That being said, I don't think she's a saint, she's egotistic and I've seen her committing mistakes... But this public judgement she's living constantly has to be insufferable, she's being talked about as much or more than Bang PD or the CEOs of the Big 3 ever has when they've been involved in way more dirt. Also given the complication of the situations she has lived these last months I find the mistakes understandable, people don't empathyze when we talk about these things. People blaming her for mentioning their favs (Illit and LSFM) while defending herself after Hybe started a public campaign to destroy her public image, or shading her for swearing and making disgusting jokes or comments (who hasn't done some disgusting comment while talking with a friend? Come on) in the exposed screenshoots that were supposed to be private convs with people she has confidence with are dumb, they don't think about the context and just focus on the action itself.

And of course, NJ and their parents know way more than me or anyone here, and if they trust on her, I trust too.

And all that aside, she's one of the best professionals in Kpop, but I know it's not the topic.

So Guyso is going private?

Thanks god this happened already. Ador is full of bullshit, I'm really positive, however this is gonna take long. Now the question is what are the next steps of the girls. Hopefully they can sign soon with other company and have normal activities while all this process is ongoing, they deserve to be able to act like normal idols for a while after all this mess.

NJ was announced yesterday for the first day of the GDA (4th of January). I personally thought they weren't going to announce any schedule more, just do what they had planned (AAA the 29th of December was the last thing if I'm not wrong) and start preparing the next step. Now I wonder if they're going to do something else, it seems a bit unnecesary imo, but it's possible that they had already agreed to send NJ there before the contract termination and GDA are just announcing it now.

It's starting to seem possible that Ador won't even try the injunction to cancel their activities, and if they do it seems they're going to wait until the girls announce something regarding their next potential company, so I'd like this period to pass fast so they can go back to normal ASAP. I also wonder what the girls have planned to contact the fandom, Instagram?

This could be a month without new updates apart from some mediaplay.

It's quite funny how this KMA statement basically confirms what NJ is doing is legal. They want them to stop because it's dangerous for companies and the industry but they can't really do anything about it if NJ goes ahead. It wouldn't surprise me if Hybe contacted them asking for some public support as they seem desperate to try to gain some sympathy,

I don't want to sound rude but Ellenote sounds like some people that joined this in May during the discussion of the first MHJ injunction, talking about the doctored chat conversations, the """""SA"""""" case and how MHJ brought hate to LSFM and Illit.

She skips Hybe leaking predebut content of NJ to Dispatch, the whole bullying case that reached the national assembly and the internal documents exposing Hybe for tons of things, including the plans to replace NJ.

It's not just that what Hybe did is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than MHJ, but many of the things MHJ was being blamed of turned out to be lies. I wouldn't bother to discuss these topics too much, we've already spent months with that. If someone don't want to get the proper information is fine, no one is forced to do it. I'd just appreciate they don't join the discussion, people here are interested in the resolution of all this and the future of NJ for real.