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I didn't post here because I don't think it's possible to do a proper top 10 comparing groups of different generations. I mentioned a while ago in the digital thread how I prefer to rank songs in tiers and not just a list because of this, for groups it would be the same.

However I'd like to give my opinion about a couple of things looking at people's answers.

No one even mention Fin.K.L. I assume this is mainly becaue no one here lived the 1st gen, not even me, not gonna blame people. However the truth is that looking at the numbers it seems they were quite close, with S.E.S having some better sales. Fin.K.L managed to win the SMA daesang unlike S.E.S for example, and well, they had Lee Hyori, basically the most important female idol of the generation and ever, she's still really relevant nowadays, released huge hits by herself the last one in 2020. I guess I can agree with S.E.S being the most important gg of the 1st gen mainly because it's what koreans say most frequently and their opinion is what matters the most, but I feel Fin.K.L should be right next to them if S.E.S is in the tops.

However, considering the only local impact and how their success didn't really mean anything for ggs at all (WG and SNSD revived it and entablished the dominance for real) I'm not even sure if I'd include any in a top 10.

Sistar is a solid 4th position in the 2nd gen. Not T-ara (because of the scandal sadly, they had the potential) not F(x) not Kara, not Miss A... it's Sistar. I could only accept Kara because of their big impact in Japan if you want to consider that but in Korea it was Sistar without any doubt, it's not just that they did better than the rest of groups, but the solos were also way more succesful during those years.

Actually, Ive and Aespa could disband tomorrow and they'd be in a similar spot than those other 2nd gen groups I mentioned and even MMM and RV probably too. Most of them released all their hits in a span of 3-4 years which is what we've just lived from both Ive and Aespa. They also have Wonyoung and Karina. There's this habit of considering the past times always better but you can count now the number of hits of those groups and they're not really far, and honestly none of them have 2 massive hits like Next Lever-Supernova or Love dive-I am (+ After like...). Obviously it's better to judge in the long run so it's fine they're not included yet, but they deserve the mention because they're already knocking to the top 10's door.

NJ is obviously already in, just not sure where I'd put them, but if we were by tiers they'd already be in the 2nd one, being the 1st one just SNSD, BP and Twice.

The standard "both are at fault" line coming from people that have not followed the topic properly is starting to become a bit annoying, and it just proves how the missinformation spreaded in the international community has worked, sadly.

I personally don't care, but a recommendation, if you don't know about something, it's fine if you don't have an opinion.

Anyone comparing Hybe's 99% of fault with the 1% MHJ might have don't make sense to me at this point.

MMA votes come just from Korea. I doubt there're many Hybe stans there right now, they know the real facts about Hybe and not the missinformation that was spreaded among the international community blaming MHJ for everything. All that buzz against NJ and in favor to Illit and LSFM come from international fans and it's mainly encouraged by the engagement of i-armys. Any korean girl in her 20s-30s (most of Armys there I suppose) supporting Hybe blindly in Korea would look quite ridiculous.

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I recommend to read the link of NJBUBBLEGUM, it's the contract for popular culture and arts professionals. Article 16 talks about the termination of contract, but there're some other interesting points around like the one mentioned in the link I shared.

So G-Dragon is releasing other single tomorrow. It seems it's going to be a similar way to drop the album as Rose, with a couple of singles and then the album. It's gonna be interesting to see who wins now and then when the albums drop since I expect the date to be close too.

Supernova might leave the top 10 this week, at 27. 27 weeks is an interesting wall, if I'm not wrong we have Next level, After like and Ditto at that number too (and I think there's other song, not sure if it's Eight or Slighty typsy maybe?). There're only other 6 or 7 songs with more weeks than that.

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Ruling Party’s Woo Jae-jun Proposes Bill to Prevent Harassment of Cultural and Arts Workers
https://n.news.naver.com/article/088/0000916254?sid=100…
By Lee Min-ho

Workers in the entertainment and cultural arts industries, who often fall into legal blind spots, may soon receive legal protections against workplace harassment.

Representative Woo Jae-jun of the People Power Party (대구 북구갑) announced on the 21st that he had introduced a bill to amend the Framework Act on the Development of Popular Culture and Arts Industry. The bill aims to prevent workplace harassment by prohibiting acts that exploit power dynamics or relationships to inflict physical or mental distress or to worsen working conditions for cultural and arts workers.

While the K-pop industry continues to thrive, lesser-known entertainers and trainees often face workplace harassment but lack the legal protections available to employees in other fields.

For example, a recent complaint involving alleged workplace harassment of NewJeans member Hanni attracted public attention. However, on November 20, the Seoul Regional Employment and Labor Office ruled that Hanni could not be considered an employee under the Labor Standards Act, effectively closing the case.

Representative Woo emphasized that “not only high-profile figures like NewJeans’ Hanni but also many lesser-known entertainers and trainees exist in legal blind spots, unprotected by labor laws. To protect these individuals, we need broader legal and institutional measures capable of covering a wide range of workers.”

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That's it, this is the reason why Hanni went to the national assembly. Hopefully soon all idols will be in a better situation thanks to this.

I'm expecting Rose's new single to start good, but I doubt it can even get close to what APT did. The ULs have already fallen after a month so it's possible it can reach #1 if people enjoy it though.

Whiplash could reach #1 if that doesn't happen, it's starting to chart higher than APT during late hours. The lack of promotion of APT has made it lose ULs a bit faster than expected and it's not the monster it could be after a month (peaking above 600k it could still be in the 400-450k perfectly with more promo). It might get a boost with the next single and the album coming though.

Where the hell is G-Dragon's album? I understand he doesn't need promotion but I think this is a bit too much lmao, maybe the release is still a bit far idk.

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No relevant news, everything is just going as expected.

Regarding Hanni, it was already known idols were not treated as workers, like Chemotter said this is why Hanni went to the national assembly. It's true the initial intentions were obviously for this harassment issue to help NJ to terminate the contract easily, but once we started seeing the legal terms it was obvious that wasn't happening. The end of this topic is probably Korea changing their legislation regarding idols (and maybe freelancers in general in some way) to protect them more. This is why Hanni going was so important, and it also helped to expose a lot of things about Hybe and destroy the public opinion about them.

Regarding MHJ it was also obvious both MHJ and NJ were leaving since some weeks ago. She's probably free from her non compete clause thanks to Hybe's awful management of the situation, and NJ have more than enough reasons to think they'll win the lawsuit against Hybe, specially considering how the national assembly and the general opinion of people of the industry have completely sided with them.

What I think will happen from now on:

>NJ will terminate their contract, hopefully ASAP, with an injunction. The injunction will free them, the problem is when (as I've been saying for some time already), since Hybe will probably slow it down as much as possible. I still think it shouldn't be more than some months, but it's not the same 2 months than 8, specially in the case of NJ which is a group in their best momentum. Hopefully it's fast...

>I don't think they'll join BANA, the 2 most likely scenarios are that they'll create a new company or that they'll join other big company (maybe even a international company). I've doubts about the NJ content MHJ had ready to be released while being in Ador. I wonder if Hybe can get advantage of it and use it in some way, or if MHJ can prove its hers in some way to protect it. If it's this last case NJ will probably be active as soon as they're in the new company, the girls have already been hinting how they want to be really active next year, I doubt they'll be saying this if they didn't have a plan already, MHJ is alway a step ahead and the girls have proven to be smart too.

>Hybe is losing almost all if not all the lawsuits against MHJ. They're all civil lawsuits, this is clear as day. I also think NJ team is probably going to achieve something with the criminal lawsuits they're filling against Hybe members, however, it won't have that much impact since they can always fire some people here and there and blame it on individuals (the lawsuits are targeted at people after all) but Bang will probably remain protected in one way or another, sadly.

>I've no idea how Hybe plans to survive in the long run. They're going to mediaplay BTS' upcoming comeback as much as they can and of course I expect it to be huge but that's just a temporary solution. The financial situation is still awful, all Korea hate them and their other groups are doing worse than before. There've been rumors about some BTS members not wanting to renew (JK and V I think?), I'm not sure if some army can give more information about this, but if it's true and they lose NJ and BTS members in a short span of time they're done. I'm not expecting anything too bad to happen in the next couple of years, but thinking 4-5 years ahead it looks bad. Hopefully I'm right.

Let's also remember there're ongoing petitions to investigate Hybe deeply, not sure how those are going, I don't think all will go forward, but I'm expecting them to find more dirt than we already had. It's sad that someone like Bang can just avoid almost anything staying away from Korea, but that's the world we're living in.

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I didn't realize I wrote this much sorry lmao

No relevant news, everything is just going as expected.

Regarding Hanni, it was already known idols were not treated as workers, like Chemotter said this is why Hanni went to the national assembly. It's true the initial intentions were obviously for this harassment issue to help NJ to terminate the contract easily, but once we started seeing the legal terms it was obvious that wasn't happening. The end of this topic is probably Korea changing their legislation regarding idols (and maybe freelancers in general in some way) to protect them more. This is why Hanni going was so important, and it also helped to expose a lot of things about Hybe and destroy the public opinion about them.

Regarding MHJ it was also obvious both MHJ and NJ were leaving since some weeks ago. She's probably free from her non compete clause thanks to Hybe's awful management of the situation, and NJ have more than enough reasons to think they'll win the lawsuit against Hybe, specially considering how the national assembly and the general opinion of people of the industry have completely sided with them.

What I think will happen from now on:

>NJ will terminate their contract, hopefully ASAP, with an injunction. The injunction will free them, the problem is when (as I've been saying for some time already), since Hybe will probably slow it down as much as possible. I still think it shouldn't be more than some months, but it's not the same 2 months than 8, specially in the case of NJ which is a group in their best momentum. Hopefully it's fast...

>I don't think they'll join BANA, the 2 most likely scenarios are that they'll create a new company or that they'll join other big company (maybe even a international company). I've doubts about the NJ content MHJ had ready to be released while being in Ador. I wonder if Hybe can get advantage of it and use it in some way, or if MHJ can prove its hers in some way to protect it. If it's this last case NJ will probably be active as soon as they're in the new company, the girls have already been hinting how they want to be really active next year, I doubt they'll be saying this if they didn't have a plan already, MHJ is alway a step ahead and the girls have proven to be smart too.

>Hybe is losing almost all if not all the lawsuits against MHJ. They're all civil lawsuits, this is clear as day. I also think NJ team is probably going to achieve something with the criminal lawsuits they're filling against Hybe members, however, it won't have that much impact since they can always fire some people here and there and blame it on individuals (the lawsuits are targeted at people after all) but Bang will probably remain protected in one way or another, sadly.

>I've no idea how Hybe plans to survive in the long run. They're going to mediaplay BTS' upcoming comeback as much as they can and of course I expect it to be huge but that's just a temporary solution. The financial situation is still awful, all Korea hate them and their other groups are doing worse than before. There've been rumors about some BTS members not wanting to renew (JK and V I think?), I'm not sure if some army can give more information about this, but if it's true and they lose NJ and BTS members in a short span of time they're done. I'm not expecting anything too bad to happen in the next couple of years, but thinking 4-5 years ahead it looks bad. Hopefully I'm right.

Let's also remember there're ongoing petitions to investigate Hybe deeply, not sure how those are going, I don't think all will go forward, but I'm expecting them to find more dirt than we already had. It's sad that someone like Bang can just avoid almost anything staying away from Korea, but that's the world we're living in.

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I think the sample size is large enough now to confidently conclude that Ditto will rise every holiday season.

It also speaks to an overarching theme of NewJeans songs basically spending forever on the charts.

What I'm alluding to really is the fact that, even if NewJeans is inactive for a few months longer than they wanted, the public will never forget or stop listening to their music.

It will be their 3 year anniversary next year and they will probably still have title tracks from every era still in the top 100, and if not, it won't even be the oldest tracks falling out first, since Hype Boy and Ditto will clearly outlast and outpace even ETA and Super Shy

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The longevity of the songs during this year is specially impressive, because most of the times songs rise when the artists have comebacks. This year when the press conference + the comeback the next month happened all the songs rose, but apart from that they've not released anything in the last 16 months. If they had their comeback now as MHJ planned it would have probably boosted the songs again and they'd start the year in a position to dominate the digital score again with a big gap considering the amount of songs charting + the new album.

Sadly we don't know when they're going to comeback again, could be in some few months but it could also take more, so this period of dominance is going to stop now and by the time their next comeback happen many of the songs charting now will have left the charts. I hope that at least Ditto and Hype boy will be around but it's mainly a matter of how long the injunction takes sadly. Since their debut the dominance has been ridiculously insane and it's really sad to see it slowing down because of Hybe.

I always was a bit sceptical about if Ditto was going to be considered a Christmas song by the public or just a thing of the fandom. Last year it rose a bit but it was still charting really high so it was complicated to be sure if it was for Christmas or because it was award season and it was sweeping the SOTYs.

This year we'll know better, this jump today is a good sign and it's now at #45. It would be a quite unique case because most Christmas songs aren't big hits per se, but songs that had an average charting in Korea at first but became more popular eventually during the Christmas seasons, if a song like Ditto with all the records it already has and the initial massive impact it had becomes a song that recharts all the years too it's gonna put it in a really really high position of the biggest hits of Korea.

I've lost the count how many times I've come here and started writing an answer to some posts but decided to give up because I realized it was not worth it.

Anyone that have followed the topic closely and have not yet realized NJ staying in Hybe without MHJ or reaching some kind of agreement with them are not possible options are a lost cause, they don't want to understand the problem or they're just trolling, no more options.

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if hanni was mistreated, the situation is between her, the company, and the perpetrator involved. she could have spoken up to the company and even to the law.

Just wanted to point out she contacted the company, they lied to her and told her to forget about the issue. Also there was a video footage of the incident but they deleted coincidentally exactly the part when this was supposed to happen, and after all Hanni just mentioned this incident without mentioning the group or the staff involved, and it was just one example of several others that were talked about in that live. This just happened to make more buzz because Belift instantly mentioned Illit the day after the live happened to create the arguments between the fandoms we're seeing now, if Belift didn't mention Illit we couldn't know if it's Illit, LSFM, Fromis... It would just be speculations and people would only be talking about the manager's actions, Belift was perfectly aware of what they were doing mentioning Illit then.

The situation of Illit is really delicate, I personally feel bad for the girls that haven't done anything wrong and I'd understand if they personally don't like MHJ, it's really complicated to be objective when you're involved in the situation and when you're receiving hate because of that. We also don't know how much their staff might be manipulating and brainwashing them, people were talking about how MHJ brainwashed NJ even though she must be the CEO that gave the most freedom to their idols ever, but no one talks about how it is really really likely Belift's staff are straight up lying to the girls and making sure they're on their "team".

However I hope that the girls realize about al these things eventally, and how all the problems come from the awful management of Hybe. Actually, I think that the best for the girls would be to talk like NJ did, and say clearly that they're against some Belift's decisions. I know it sounds a bit radical but think about it... People would completely support them, realizing that they're also victims and that they're just pawns of Belift in all this mess. There's also a huge drop of public support in this last comeback, if they start performing like this I don't have any doubt Hybe will stop caring about them, they've already proven it with Fromis_9, and with NJ they've proven they don't give a fuck about the girls, just about the money and success, so to be silent and letting Belift use their words to support their side is not going to help them in any way.

There's the possibility that they find success with future comebacks and they can have a normal idol life in some time, but I really think to try to change something would be the best for them, specially looking at how it worked for NJ. It's a really complicated step to make though, I can't blame the girls if they don't do it because they're scared of the consecuences. At this point I'd just like the fandom to realize how Belift is the problem here, they've been lied since the first minute and they've had a fake support coming from the crazy loud armys that just want to hate on NJ and MHJ making them seem they've more people on their side than they really have, but once this mess end that support will fade away.

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I don't understand why people at this forum always need to attacking each other Accept that people can have different views, disagree with them, but it's no need to call people "idiot" or other kind of statements.

What NJ or other says in social media or other places is just PR moves. As long as they don't acctually go to court it's not a legal issue. Sure they have lawyers advicing them, but that don't mean they think they can win a legal battle. NJ are around 16-20 age old, they puppets in this drama with adult giving them instructions. Excatly who this puppetmaster are is not clear, the parents for sure.

I'm sorry but this is not a matter of disagreements as much as you try to make it seem like if it is. Your points are completely missing the whole context of the situation and don't make any sense, we're trying to explain you and you keep saying nonsense.

How can you say now what NJ is doing is only PR moves when, like we mentioned 20 times, Hanni had to go to the national assembly, and it has caused Hybe internal documents to be exposed to the public, while Hybe is currently being investigated for several actions such as workplace harassment or sales manipulation. All this is true, it's objective, it has happened.

Stop acting like if this is a group of teens asking their bosses to be kind with them, this is a way deeper issue.

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It's the parents running the show with help of you know who.

Yes, sure maybe they have. But I will point out they they have not acctually taking any legal steps to try to terminate the contract yet. So before that we don't know if their lawyers think it's a good idea to do so or not.

This might be the most absurd post you've made, and you've set the bar quite high.

MHJ has been involved in legal disputes for months, even winning her first injunction with one of the most important firms of Korea. NJ has been directly affected by all these issues, they made a live 2 months ago asking for legal actions to be made, Hanni had to go to the national assembly, and you're telling me you think they don't have lawyers advicing them? Are you really telling us you think NJ wrote that letter at their home only with their parents without any recommendation from a legal expert?

Are you idiot?

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She predicted, "It doesn't seem easy to get a ruling that 'the exclusive contract must be maintained'" and "If New Jeans can prove in detail that the exclusive contract was terminated due to the company's fault, the contract can be terminated without a penalty or damages. However, if it is not proven, the penalty will have to be borne. It may vary depending on the contents of the contract, but it seems that the intellectual property (IP) rights may also have to be given up and activities as a new artist may have to be carried out."

Just quoting this since there're some people here acting dense like if this possibility don't even exist.

NJ is obviously going to blame Hybe for the contract termination and the penalty might not even exist if it works out, and considering the amount of things we've seen about Hybe + all the things we've not seen yet but K-Bunnies are hinting they have it seems really likely that the court will side with them, I'd say it's the most likely possibility specially considering how both NJ and MHJ are moving forward (obviously adviced by lawyers, some people here are also acting like if they're deciding everything by their own) while every time Hybe speaks out is to mess up (today they basically threw Illit under the bus btw, but that's other topic) or to be called out by the national assembly.

As I said a couple of days ago, the only problem and more complicated thing to fight for is the IP, and the time they will lose during all this process that Hybe will probably try to extend as much as they can.

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At least you should try to understand how stupid NJ are when they are trying to fight Hybe instead of trying to find a more "peacful" solution. They are only digging a deeper hole for themself.

They've tried everything, the fact that you're calling them stupid for this just proves you're the stupid one and how missinformed you're about the situation.

It's really really tiring to see people saying how everything they do is wrong, even when you've been proven wrong 100 times. It was wrong when the parents showed support to MHJ publicly, it was wrong when NJ showed they supported her too, it was wrong when they did the live showing their feelings, it was wrong when Hanni decided to go to the national assembly... Every single time it was proven they made the right step and thanks to all that we now know much more information and even more things that we could have imagined about Hybe have been exposed.

You all talking about the penalty also shows you don't even understand what NJ is going to try, and if after all these months camping in their threads you've not wanted to try to understand their side or their actions honestly your opinion is completely irrelevant.

Next month we'll be talking about the next topic while you all keep saying whatever they'll be doing is wrong, but they'll be again one step closer to their goal.

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Why? Because I'm not a delulu? I didn't say anything bad about your gals. You know this is the truth, it's not my fault MHJ groomed these girls, and HYBE treating them like shit.

Anyone who think this can be solved without NJ being disbanded and losing everything is delusional, I'm sorry. Would you work for a company that do this to you for months? Even if they will do what NJ is asking? Be serious. I would NEVER work for this shithole company even if they give me 10 times of my usual payment.

The Happy Ending in this story if HYBE let the girls go without any punishment, but that's never gonna happen, and if they will sue HYBE, they have like 5% chance to win against them, and it's not gonna happen in the next 3-4 years.

And what will they do till this mess is over? They will work for HYBE and ADOR without Miss Shaman, and release some music every year? Yeah, never gonna happen.

If HYBE wants to solve this problem, they would've done it already. They have their own NJ now with ILLIT, and there's LSF also. Yes, even those 2 combined don't generate the same amount of money as NJ, but for HYBE it's easier to let them go after their contracts expires. HYBE owns everything, so they will earn a lot of money even if NJ won't release new songs.

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David he's telling you to shut up because you don't have any idea about what you're talking about and you're proving it with each letter you type.

At least you expose yourself trying to explain things even though they're wrong, unlike haters that just take advantage of the situation to shade NJ... But seriously, don't bother.