Posts by Fluffers

And look at that, as I was writing, they hit the top 10

Quote from kpopace26

Any particular reason why it's popular?

The members are all massive streamers like they all have like 300k youtube followers(which isn't where they stream, just their archives). Who have only gotten more massive over the years.

On top of that, they're vtubers.

Vtuber fans tend to be older and tend to spend MONEY

Vtubers tend to be some of the bigest earners on these video platforms without numbers that are that wild

So combine a massive fanbase, with a massive amount of disposable income and they're very similar to a certain trot singer.

They're already at 18

gonna be honest

If their fans keep up their fervor...

Isegye Idol is going to be the girl group that breaks through nugudom first.

thing is, I don't think there's much of a trend between the big 5.

They're all kinda doing their own thing and everybody beneath em are kinda lacking in permeation

Like you gotta go pretty far down the chain before you see groups actively emulating the top.

Like beneath dreamcatcher tier.

Like in gen 2, you could find tons of top groups doing some variation of

In Gen 3, you could easily see top groups that were on

While in gen 4, one could definitely argue many boy groups are the sons of BTS Fire

When you look at girl groups the overlap aint really there.

It'd be hard to mistake NJ for IVE for I-DLE for AESPA for LSF for StayC

i'm sorry, but if you think bubblegum pop now sounds like bubblegum pop in korea back then I gotta question your ears.

And that's ignoring the supposed cyclical nature doesn't exactly bare out in reality.

Who in gen 4 sounds like gen 2 electronica?

Do certain trends persists? Sure, that's every pop scene.

But new things get coopted just as much.

Like we gonna pretend like Hyperpop was some well trodded territory when Next Level shaked the scene?

Quote from whips

of course 1st gen kpop wasn’t just a one note snoozy sleep music fest, there’s variety in every gen. but the loud of 1st gen in no way could compete with the loud of 4th gen lol let’s not kid ourselves. 3rd/4th gen is steeped in peak chaotic, incohesive music that gen 1 was nowhere near. That’s the point

There are several HOT tracks I can think of where the volume is above a lot of gen 2. Like I Yah and Age of Violence are a lot more abrasive than most gen 2 that's not BigBang.

And same goes for Seckhskies tracks but I'm way less familiar with them.

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Interestingly, if you look at the old-school aesthetics of kpop during 1st gen, you’ll see that they’re much more inline with what nj is doing, hence the “refreshingly nostalgic” comments that they typically get. Only during 2nd gen did kpop really start to grow heavier, louder, more bombastic, to match music trends emerging in the west. So in a sense, nj is only returning to form of what kpop initially was, and you could make the argument that the kpop that most 4th gen stans are familiar with actually originated as a vehicle to chase western trends anyway. So the question is, is nj deviating and “diluting” kpop, or are they actually not different at all from what kpop had been doing for a long time

I'm sorry, but this just straight up isn't true. There were tons of loud and bombastic beats in gen 1.

Also this weird acting like kpop was so divorced from western pop from gen 2 onwards is baffling.

So much of Gen 2 was in line with Black Eeyed Peas and LMFAO

A ton of Gen 3 was doing the whole Calvin Harris and Major Lazer House and Mombahton thing.

Much of the early 4th gen and late 3rd gen was going off the disco retro that Dua Lipa and The Weeknd slammed right ontop of the western industry with.

Is New Jeans nostalgic? Sure, but this weird argument/idea that the rest of Kpop is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO divorced from what's happening in the states is just out right false.

It's better than Shut Down

I will say this. That first mini album is a generic slog to go through for 2ne1. It's not until To Anyone that I got the hype.

you know fans of the big five are entitled when they're complaints amount to

"Why didn't X dog walk the top of the charts for seven months in a row"

About songs that are doing better than 99% of the industry and will be on the charts for longer than actual years.

Quote from whips

i feel like we’re going around in circles lol sure we don’t know exactly where souce music spent all their revenue, but that doesn’t negate the fact that at the end of the day, they earned 5.9b in profits this year. i think it’s already implied that profits = what you took home after deducting debt and costs from your revenue right? it’s with this premise in mind that i provided you the figures i did. it seems you don’t agree that that’s what net profits means bc you’re questioning about costs / debts, when my assumption was they were already covered, bc that’s the definition of profits i learnt lol. so i guess we are at a crossroad bc we don’t agree what net profit means

Okay, I feel silly cause I mistook your for the thread creator, which put me off on the wrong foot in totality cause it's not really you who I should be questioning the lack of offered details.

An update for the halfway point of August. Itzy has managed to push their way into the top 100 kpop albums for the year.

Digital Albums

1. Seventeen: FML - 487,722

2. (G)I-DLE: I Feel - 436,004

3. EXO: Exist - 267,718

4. TXT: Temptation - 130,643

5. NCT Dream: ISTJ - 97,185

6. Enhypen: Dark Blood - 87,222

7. ITZY Kill My Doubt - 80,610

8. Taeyang: Down to Earth - 79,683

9. Zerobaseone: Youth In The Shade - 61,930

10. Kai: Rover - 58,359

11. Jimin: Face - 53,388

12. NCT Dojaejung: Perfume - 50,041

13. Agust D: D-Day - 44,313

14. NCT 127: Ay-Yo - 38,149

15. Yena: Love War - 31,483

16. Got The Beat: Stamp on It - 30,557

17. Taeyong: Shalala - 27,943

18. Jungkook: Seven (weekday) - 26,373

19. TREASURE: REBOOT - 23,621

20. SHINee: HARD - 15,043

21. Jungkook: Seven (weekend) - 12,993

22. Jimin: Like Crazy (Remixes) - 6,312

23. Shownu x Hyungwon The Unseen - 6,138

24. Ikon: Take Off - 5,635

Digital Singles

1. Jisoo: ME - 1,062,007

2. Jungkook: Seven ft Latto(Explicit) - 382,960

3. EXO: Let Me In - 288,284

4. BSS: Second Wind - 257,486

5. Jungkook: Seven ft Latto(Clean) - 183,189

6. EXO: Hear Me - 169,428

7. NCT Dream: Broken Melodies - 152,590

8. Taeyang: Vibe ft Jimin - 134,690

9. BTS: Take Two - 113,306

10. J.Hope/J.Cole: On The Street - 84,050

11. bts: The Planet - 58,414

12. jimin: Set Me Free pt 2 - 47,657

13. Agust D: People pt 2 ft IU - 46,340

14. txt/jonas brothers: Do It Like That - 39,572

15. Jungkook: seven(instrumental) - 36,026

16. Mamamoo+: Act 1, Scene 1 - 18,894

17. iKon: Tantara - 8,289

18. Tempest: THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM - 3,700

And an addition to be made. These are the projects that got the most revenue for Kpop acts in China from Digital services.

I've restricted it to the projects that are in the top 100

Top Digital Revenue (In Yuan)

1. BlackPink: The Album - 25998480.00

2. BIGBANG: MADE - 22770464.00

3. BlackPink: BornPink - 22136950.00

4. GDragon: Kwon Jiyoung - 15100970.00

5. (G)I-DLE: I Never Die - 13675160.00

6. BTS: Map of the Soul: 7 - 13650000.00

7. BTS: Love Yourself Answer - 12385775.00

8. (G)I-DLE: I Love - 12024108.00

9. Rose: -R- - 10897014.00

10. (G)I-DLE: I Feel - 10466496.00

11. BTS: Map of the Soul: Persona - 10179270.00

12. IU: LILAC - 9455050.00

13. BlackPink: How You Like That - 9270912.00

14. BlackPink: Kill This Love - 8967420.00

Quote from whips

I’m not sure I understand what you mean. If i was operating at -5 dollars yesterday, why would i need to earn more than 10 dollars today just to break even, like you’re implying? Logically speaking i only need to make more than 5 dollars today to offset my debt right? Anything more than that is just gravy. And in source music’s case, the report shows they’ve already covered all their loss from last year, and the 5.9b was what they took home AFTER settling all their debt, to put it in simple terms. That 5.9b is not for paying off their previous loss. It’s the net profit, and it’s positive. So again i just don’t get where you’re coming from.

Which goes back to my "Why post two different things comparing them." You didn't in your initial post add any info from Source Reports saying they cleared their previous debts, you posted a tweet showing their net profits for the year. WHich is what I pointed out that going off the numbers listed, that'd not clear their debt for the year previous years.

So saying they had a bunch of revenue this year doesn't really say anything cause without more info, I don't know where that revenue went. It could have been used to pay off the debts of the previous years or completely used to offset the costs for this fiscal period. I don't know, you aint exactly offered a lot of encompassing information.

Quote from whips

i’m not sure what you’re asking me. You do know that reporting revenue AND profits is the basics of what financial reports do right? The tweet in this thread’s op specifically only compared net profit, not revenue. They even said so clearly in both pics. So again, it’s on you for not reading, not on the tweet for comparing profits like one’d normally do to gauge whether a business is succeeding lol..

If the net profits are in the negative, then contrasting them would not even out their basis. I know that companies don't solely rely on Profit to address debt, specially not publicly traded ones.

But when you post a tweet showing off a net profit that doesn't even offset the Red of last year, I gotta question what math you're doing cause it clearly wasn't in what you provided.

Quote from whips

looks like you’re the one confused here lol that graph on the left shows net profit, not revenue. Source music earned 36.2b in sales this year, and took home 5.9b in profit. That 5.9b is not all they earned lol

Thread

[theqoo] HYBE LABELS 2023 First Half of the Year Sales & Profit

Big Hit (Bangtan, TXT)
Sales: 280.1 billion won
Net profit or loss: 75.7 billion won

Pledis (Seventeen, Fromis_9)
Sales: 162.5 billion
Net profit or loss: KRW 26.8 billion

Source Music (Le Sserafim)
Sales: 36.2 billion
Net profit or loss: 5.9 Billion

Ador (NewJeans)
Sales: 44.3 billion
Net profit or loss: 11.5 Billion

KOZ (Zico, BOYNEXTDOOR)
Sales: 6.5 billion
Net profit or loss: -4.3 billion

BELIFT Lab (ENHYPEN)
Sales: 38.8 billion won
Net profit or loss: 9.5 billion

Hybe Label Japan (&TEAM)
Sales: 5.7 billion
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bartkun

Aug 14th 2023

why post two different things and comparing them?

That's... not how math works.

Like even lookin at last year... that's not even break even.

The way things are trending 2023 is going to make 2018 look like an absolute joke in regards to kpop acts success.

I'm genuinely curious if next year could even hope to keep pace just off of how things are progressing

Looks like Ador's lack of extensive promotion has given them a hell of a return.

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Well. the world of female rap is like womens football. If you look them playing they are great, but next to the males, they are far below. So yeah, maybe they are some of the best female rappers in the world.

not even close.

Not even on a cold day in hell.