Posts by Fluffers

  • HYBE is allowed to get away with anything

    Quote from dopiee

    Ok, and is there any reason to believe they are being forced right now? When are BTS being forced and when are they allowed to make their own decisions?

    I'm very against the BTS are grown men with a lot of shares and power in their company narrative because I get the company can overrule artists sometimes and it's not as straightforward everytime.


    I just don't see HYBE controlling the musical output with BTS having no say in it and having to follow along Hybe powerless.

    I'm not saying Hybe is saying "No music" it's just that pointing out that BTS has control of their musical output doesn't take into account all the business moves that make that statement a "yeah... but" more often than not. Singles could have already been written, mixtapes done and Hybe could be like "We'll sit on this" or "We''l divide this up" to maximize profit/release in a more beneficial period/act as a safety net for whatever gaming thing they're doing.

  • HYBE is allowed to get away with anything

    Quote from dopiee

    I don't understand the point in blaming HYBE for this. Sure they are all this(money hungry etc.) but BTS is responsible for their own music output just like they also receive praise for their stellar discography.

    Doesn't make anyone a company stan to think like that.

    you do realize that even artists with complete musical control are beholden to the distribution control of their label right? Unless they're in control of both the masters and the stims, music that could be long ready to go can be sitting on the shelf for ages cause an exec goes "Not now" or just plain "no"

  • HYBE is allowed to get away with anything

    Quote from possiblymaybe

    hybe definitely is trash and wants to milk them for every last drop, including paying for and releasing corporate pop like ptd but bts says they're always busy working on music. hobi said his mixtape was supposed to come out on his birthday but it couldn't for "reasons". JK and Tae's mixtapes went from almost ready then not ready then deleted. so where is the music. WHERE IS IT

    I legitimately forgot about Jungkook and Taehyung's mixtapes.

  • how many of yall agree if i said that TOMBOY is the biggest 4th gen hit ?

    those are the two highest 4th gen peaks

  • how many of yall agree if i said that TOMBOY is the biggest 4th gen hit ?

    Those aren't bad numbers, but they're not as great as you think they are. For one, QQ is one of several large Digital streaming sites. Secondly, you gotta consider whether or not a track is paid or not (not every song on these digital streams costs money)


    When I said put a foot in, I mean that SM has actually put effort into promotion of their act, either digitally or through actual promotions. And compared to what SM does for NCT ore Exo, they really haven't. Hell, Red Velvet has their albums put up for sale.


    Though i doubt that won't also happen for Aespa too. Given the Weibo numbers NingNing and Winter have been doing.

  • how many of yall agree if i said that TOMBOY is the biggest 4th gen hit ?

    Quote from jinaland

    why people only talking from korean side :whatb: shouldn't we also consider international achievements and how the song did among kpop community

    That kinda shifts things a bit, cause then you'd have to point to love dive, which is kinda barreling up on the western side of things (And in Japan) where Next Level and Tomboy aren't, even though they're bigger in Korea.


    And I don't think any of the other 4th gen have put their feet in the chinese market, where Tomboy is doing crazy numbers digitally.

  • Labels influence on Idol Production

    As I'm sure most fans of kpop know. The expansion of idols that take part in production of music has steadily grown over the years. Now initially I had always believed, given the background of the earliest idol pioneers, that producing wholly was an endeavor pursued by individual idols on their own rather than provided by their label.


    My logic had been that most of the earlier prolific idol producers used to come from particular backgrounds that would kinda give way to them having a hand in production.


    Previously Soloists


    Intrinsically tied with a production team

    Is in a Band

    Now of course there are outliers, G-Dragon being the most obvious example, but overall I had assumed companies weren't really footing the bill, or if they were it was only after the express request of an idol. For idols, in my mind at least, taking up the task of producing was more a bonus than a strived for goal in a company's plan.



    My view of course changed with Gen 4 as an upsurge of idols involved with production across so many different companies and prolific through out a lot of groups (if you're of the mal variety) led me to believe that Companies had either by viewing some of the top boy groups, or in a way to cut costs, decided that it was a trend/skill worth pursuing for their idols.



    Two recent interviews (by members of the same group no less) highlights an issue however.


    Soyeon and Miyeon of (G)I-dle revealed at different times that they both took MIDI classes as trainees. I found this significant because, as I'm sure every knows, while Soyeon was a Cube trainee, Miyeon's training period was under YG. Now from Soyeon's interview, we know that Cube used to solely offer Production classes for male trainees, until she purposefully had to demand it. On Miyeon's side of things we learned that her Production teacher was the hiphop and rnb producer Dress (Who got his start in the scene producing for YG during SMTM).


    This is notable because it's somewhat disheartening that both cases seem to (both overtly in soyeon's case and implicitly in Miyeon's) suggest a trend of labels not having an interest in either letting or teaching their female idols production.

  • Miyeon album MY 100k on hanteo

    Quote from atropos

    Maybe that's why I was a bit shocked how well miyeon is selling as soyeon didn't sell much. Soyeon is not really popular even in the fandom I guess.

    This isn't actually true... well to be correct it is true, but not in the sectors of the fanbase that make up a majority of their physical sales.


    Soyeon isn't popular in the Western side of the fanbase, but out east, specifically in China and Japan, she's always been top 3.


    As for the sales disparity, the answer is actually not got anything to really do with popularity relative popularity of members but rather overall popularity with the group. (G)I-dle's biggest international fanbase is China. Always has been, probably always will be. I-dle (specifically Miyeon)'s popularity in China has really blown up over the last year.


    Before 2021, Yuqi was the only member who had a china bar fanbase above 50k users. Soyeon and Shuhua were a distant second and 3rd respectively. This last year changed things where Miyeon now has a 90k and Soyeon a 70k bar. Both growths following the hiatus. (About 57k of Miyeon's sales come from her chinese fanbase which back in 2020 would have been unheard of even for Yuqi's)