Naive kids don't say things like this :
"And while the outcome could have far-reaching consequences, Hanni and the girls are choosing not to worry about what those might be right now. “If it changes the K-pop industry, it does. If it doesn't, it just won't, and that's what it will be,” she says. “Whether it changes the K-pop industry or not, I think we are really proud of ourselves.” "
i would bet the interview is prescipted. Many people are involved in this drama to make money.
its all about stan the right idols.^^
thats great to hear. she is missed. 
Where are all the Stray kids/ TXT/ Enhypen/ Ateez/ Treasure and 5th gen BG fans and threads
Am I just oblivious and in my own world or are there barely any threads on Boy Groups nowadays
Today we had our yearly owners meetings. and my neighbor told me that her coleague is going to berlin for the txt concert. so thats at least one. dont know where the other boy groups fans are tho.
And im a bbgirls fan. and its now a 5th gen girl group too. and you can shorten their name to bg. so im also a 5th gen bg fan. so that makes 2.
I guess the bar is too high, just don't see how a judge can say that ADOR is capable of providing a creative director to replace MHJ but also say there is no significant lapse in activity after MHJ's departure (when they cancelled their full album and world tour until they scoured the Earth for an indefinite amount of time for a new creative director).
To say that there hasn't been a irreparable loss of trust is even wilder, whether you side with Ador or NJZ a lots happened to destroy the trust between the group and their company required for normal working conditions.
Fifty fifty did basicly the same. Back then for most kpop fans the bar was just fine. tookis werent that vocal too.
I guess sending a group into dungeon doesnt automaticly mean a trust issue. otherwise bp would have sued yg every year.
Im not a fan of new jeans or any of the hybe groups. So probably im not qualified to talk about this case since im not that deep into the terms. Im lowkey rooting for new jeans simply because i guess it would be good for the power distribution in the industry. but it seems newjeans needs to proof that the trust issues come from hybe actions and not from newjeans or mhj. and i have no clue how they can proof that.
Yeah, this companies still can do all without the kpop system. And paying a salary too, like a small bussiness.
I agree. They pay for there food and apartment. Would not be such a big difference to give the idols some pocket money too.
Well, since you didn't notice. I'm mad at Korean laws that allow companies to abuse idols. Also, this have to be more about my politics views, but I will never defend companies. They are made to make money, with this view is inevitable they see idols as products.
Yeah, sure, there are good people and therefore good companies. But they are the exception.
The Issue is Art. Those companies and Idols who want money usually dont last that long. Either the company disband the group after 2-4 years or the idols leave with "health" issues. Those who stay longer without making money usually stay because its their passion. They wanna keep doing it despite them knowing they wont make money. They even make part time jobs so they can finance being on stage. why dont allow them that if its their wish? Its not that they are forced to stay. A company usually only force them to stay if they think they can make money with them.
i try to differenciate. im as mad as you at bbc for not paying loona. im mad at 143 for whatever they did with gaeun. im not sure about jehua because i dont know enough about the everglow case. Those companies wont ever see a penny from me. but i dont hold that against the whole industry. im glad about brave ent exists because it gave me brave girls and great music. im glad at glg exist because they made h1-key and keep bbgirls alive. Im glad those small companies produce some diversity with groups like dreamcatcher.
If we only had those douzend similar groups from big 4 i would never got into kpop.
If at all im mad at most kpop fans who only care about success and money while they give a shit about art. Even if i know thats stupid because most kpop fans are probably just little children who cant be expected to have much sense for art. If h1-key and bb girls sell 100k albums each release and glg still wont pay them i will get mad at them. Untill then, i blame the kpopfans. 
Display MoreThe more I read the court decision the less I understand it.
They skip important points NJZ pointed out such as the leaked predebut content or the Belift video. They don't say anything about Hybe's new CEO statement that literally says he plans to damage NJ's brand value to take them down??????? And they focus on things such as the fact that ADOR pay them??? It's almost like they don't even understand NJZ's claims
I know it's just an injunction and we're talking about contracts here but the fact that they're missing so many emotional and psychological points to focus on money feels like we're talking just about the IP of an article and not about the potential career of 5 girls. Apart from the girls thoughts they got 30k signatures from their fandom so how do they expect them to continue promoting under Ador? It's obvious they won't, this is literally to stop their careers for a really long time. It's an awful notice and to prohibit NJZ to continue promoting until the final court decision when they've been adamant about them not working again with Hybe/Ador is a super cruel decision. Let's not forget it's not just about advertisements but Ador included in the injunction to make them stop things such as singing and songwritting, it sounded completely ridiculous when it was revealed.
I don't know what to think anymore, ig I'll try to watch the complexcon performance and wait for the next updates... I'm sad, I'm angry, I'm confused... I just hope the girls are ok.
maybe people overestimate how high the bar is set to violate the contract terms.
If the groups gets the best investment, the highst payments and the best market ratings maybe thats all the company have to provide. If MHJ or another CEO or a staff members talk badly about a group that either wont matter at all or in the worst case will only lead to Ador have to replace the CEO or staff member.
Usually if there are personal issues you go the the HR and not the public. Maybe the court have viewed the conversations with HR and think the company have done everything in their ability to try and solve the issues. or they didnt went to the HR but directly to the public and the court may even hold it against them.
There are so many things we dont know and can only speculate. So we just have to wait till the court ends and tea will finally spilled.
Nice List. Thumps up for SNSD and Loona.
My takes are Brave Girls - Highheels and Chi Mat Baram.
Display MoreTell me, what's harder: hitting #1, something every big hit song ever has done more or less...OR spending an entire year in the top 10 of every chart and ranking #2 in the year end charts the year AFTER the song was released.
Because only one girl group song ever has done what followed that "OR"
Cheer Up
Its days are numbered
why not doing both? hit 1 and ranking 2 in the year end charts
4 years after the song was relased.
i totally agree. brave girls are the best. 
Display Morewell it actually depend
if your coach said something bad about you to the press and other brand you can prove that it caused you a prejudice showing that because of the words of your coach these brands for example doesn't want to work with you anymore
in this case you show that there's a fault from your coach, a prejudice and a causal link between the fault and the damage
but most of the time you'll need more unless you show that the damage really hurt you very badly
but in NJ case for example if we take the situation with Louis vuitton they can talk about the fact that the contract went to LSRF as rumored
but then a judge or Ador side can discuss if HYBE doing this really had an impact on NJ members cuz at the end HYEIN still became an ambassador for the brand
Law is really tricky and it really depend on the interpretation of the judge of the case
I guess hybe is relativly free with what cf they assign to what group. same with the decision when what group will debut or have a comeback. I dont think its written in their contracts that group x must receive certain amount of cf or cf from a certain company. So the company only needs to ensure that the group have housing, training facilities, activities, promotion, payments etc. But i doubt its that detailed that you can easily sue the company for failing their duties due to some minor issues.
This doesnt look good for NJ avoiding fees. But on the other hand Trump already have 15 injunctions only for february and he dont care.
And the PD believe this is what kpop fans want. meanwhile we lose DC as an active group. I would like to see kpop mature. but this is not the way.
yeah, i heard about them and checked out their songs and the next was the court and than the disbandment. 
Display MoreSNSD : Sone
Shinee : Shawol
Bigbang : Vip
Exo : Exo-l
Bts : Army
Got7 : Igot7
Twice : Once
Red Velvet : Reveluv
Blackpink : Blink
Seventeen : Carat
Nct : Nctzen
Txt : Moa
Itzy : Midzy
Aespa : My
Stray Kids : Stay
Newjeans : Tokkie/Bunnie
Lesserafim : Fearnot
Baby Monster : Monstiez
Kiss of life : Kissy
i dont know many but i can add T-ara : Queen's
... and? Yes, people dislike Nazi symbolism because it's Nazi symbolism. That's the entire point. People are going to have a similar distate for imagery that's evocative of Nazi symbolism, even if it technically isn't Nazi symbolism, because it's rarely unintentional and always provocative.
but people also like to generalise. not sure if we should generalise individuals.
the finish air force still use the swastika. an not the different sided the buddhists use. i think thats totally fine since it have a complete different history originated in 1919 many years earlier than the nazis rose to power. so i still think one should look carefully und not just accuse someone because it looks bad in the first moment. but i think you are right that in most cases it is with intention to provoce and offend.
