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About the font you guys are saying it was the one nazis used.

dude is partly right and partly wrong. maybe he is an US teacher. but he probably would not pass german high school.

tenneberg didnt exist. what he means is tannenberg. but that has nothing to do with this issue.

it was liked by nazis and used next to fraktur.

he is right about that g-dragon use fraktur. fraktur was widely used in germany but got slowly replaced by antiqua. when nazis got into power in 1934 fraktur had a renaissance. so it was the nazi font.

he is also right about nazis changing back in 1941. but not to tannenberg that also got replaced with antiqua. the reason for the change was not one of likings but it was considered to be easier to rule conquered territories if the population can actually read their propaganda.

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Are yo‍u thinking of "Love Options"? "Love Bomb" is a Fromis 9 song.

you are right. its "love options". but the fromis song is also not that bad. it should have gone viral too.^^

Quote from Eldeweiss

Nothing is wrong with these posters, but this one is different. It's not just the colors, there is the flag in his story, the lettering, the letter ü in tour as neigl said.

The ubermensch theme comes from a German writer/philosopher Nietzsche and it means "overman" then the Nazis appropriated the word and used it a lot.

He is likely just inspired by Nietzsche but the whole aesthetic is just not that.

i dont know if it's purely intentional, I don't even think that it's going to be a problem in his new songs to come but someone who is a bit knowledgeable about the subjet would find this poster questionable at least.

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the ü in the word tour is probably the only thing in the poster that have no relation to nazis. The only reason i can think of, why they put it in it, is to make fun of the german language.

But all the other things give a different vibe. one for one its ok. like übermensch is probably related to nietzsche. but if it was nietzsche they would not have used this font. why use this word in this font when both was used by the nazis? there are also to many things that you can say its a mistake. this is intentional. and since i dont think they are nazis the only reason is that it is for provocation to offend people. its no crime. but its not very nice.

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It reminds of what?

an famous austrian painter.

Quote from Eldeweiss

Are you German ? ( I am asking since you talked about the ü. ) I am not but everything about it screams the propaganda poster that I used to study in school.

yes.

and yeah. while there is nothing directly similar to the posters you know. the resemblance is obvious.

Maybe he only wants to provoke. Anyway i still dont like what i see. I imagine the audience of the concert will be 50% pink haired shool girls and 50% skinnheads.

the word is one thing, the font another. same with the whole style and colours.

someone knew exactly what they did there. nothing is crossing any border but everythings screams provocation. Even the word toür. there is a ü letter in the german language but its not used like that. its just wrong.

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I consider myself merely as an individual with tastes - I have to "like" the songs - first, that is the primary criteria to support an act or not. They are not beggars to want my support without that "liking", that is just disrespectful.

"Left wing socialism" is that it requires people to act upon abstract causes, without any consideration of their own values, interests and preferences, and that is the reason it always fails after a point.

But I agree about "mobility", irrespective of where they start, people, or acts or companies in any society should have avenues to move ahead and that should not be blocked, by monopolizing the platforms.

And yes, Free Market Capitalism fails to deal with that human tendency, where once success is achieved, the successful try to monopolize the field and prevent competition.

That is seen in Kpop where Big4 groups try to monopolize screen/stage time in Music shows and Award Shows.

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I agree. At first Kpop is for entertainment so it needs to be fun and make you happy. of course i only listen to songs i like. and its not like i dont listen to top groups. i just make sure 9 out of 10 songs on my playlist are smaller artists. Since there are so many good songs thats very easy. I also listen a lot to older songs and they include trot and OSTs too.

And to even out the unbalanced reach and promotion im more likely to checkout a nugu release if i get to know about it. while i usually wait to check out a new song from a top group. only if it still makes noise after a month its worth to give it a try.

im surely no radical left wing activist but its not much effort to act a liddle bit responsible and with awarneess to my suroundings.

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They actually were, if you combine YT and Spotify streams, even without solo projects

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o cool. thanks. i think the article i read was about spotify or billboard. im not sure.

i was also surprised that bp wasnt the most listend gg last year. than i realised that songs like apt. probably dount count since its a solo and not a bp song.^^

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I was googling how much it costs to debut a group and I think JYP said something like 500m won for Twice and recently it can balloon to over $1m from certain article that I cannot link on AKP lol

but yeah debuting groups is expensive and comebacks are expensive as well

and that's not even paying any of the idols a "wage"

do we have numbers about how low smaller groups can go for a debut or a comeback? looking at hybe it seems they are somewhere around $10m for a debut.

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selfmate

90% of this is related to "investment"

Many agencies simply have no 'funds' to compete in 'quality' - and without that 'quality' of presentation, it is exceedingly rare for 'talents' however greatly talented to achieve success.

Big 4, Kakao, Mnet related groups - have that money to pursue "quality", so much so that even their failed acts/songs sell more than the mini-viral hits of nugu groups.

And even if a nugu company manage to pull off a hit with one group/one song - there is what Steve Jobs called the "Second product syndrome"

- They don't know how & why the first product succeeded

- They don't spend enough time/focus on the second product, that they spent on the 1st, wanting to strike the rod when hot.

- They get over ambitious and rash.

- They can't convert the success into a sustained process and model

- And they end up in legal/interpersonal tangle fighting over the 1st success

So poof.

The last point is very apt for cases like LOONA, FiftyFifty.

So they are not set up for success and if success still strikes, they don't know how to handle/invest it for the next attempt.

Again not just in Kpop, but in all industries. Just more visible in entertainment.

That is why there are so many "one hit wonders"

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true. money is most decisive.

since the power difference between the two groups ar so big that a failed song from a big company sell more than a hit from a small company means we have 2 classes of kpop. one group is there for domination and the other one for survival. since i consider myself a left wing socialist. my support will always go to over 90% to the last group.

of course thats just a question of how to measure it. but i think there are way to few "one hit wonders" or successful acts that started small. I think it would be nice to see more movement. and also to not know what will be the next hit. atm you just need to look at the next month releases, check what groups are there and know what songs will be at the top of the charts.

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What you mean by current gen? It is 5th gen now? Do you count Newjeans as 5th gen group?

true. so the only true answer is bb girls minyoung.

no. disbanded 2023. they didnt last 3 years.

1. in short. no. the idol is not responsable. the idol as an employee. you dont expect the salesman to check if the production worker does his job and you dont expect the production worker to check if the salesman does his job. i mean the idol can try and ask to see the books but than the company will just pic the next in line to sign the contract. the manager or the ceo are responsable. thats why they have their title.

of course it the idol pulls a newjeans it can be a different issue.

2. yes, true. but we do know a few things. a top group works often harder than a smaller groups simply for the reason that their company ensure a booked shedule. On the other side there are certain works we know the top idols dont do. Street promo, driving 12 hours with a boat for a 6 minute performance for no money or fame, working part time because the group have no shedule or income.

some may be lacking in vocals because that can be covered and also is not the most decisive factor. but they all went to the same doc. the big companies does have quality standarts.

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Newjeans copied 4minute ?

im as confused as you.

how could a group that have not debuted jet copy anyone?

should this not come up after they have their debut?

Did they asked the same shamane mhj is using?

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can you explain that to me - what quality or effort is there?

since to me we aren't privy to all that goes on behind the scenes especially not of every group (whether our favs or otherwise) who is to say that those groups that didn't go viral or just didn't succeed failed to put in the effort or quality?

they could have worked their butts off more so than successful groups and still not see one iota of success.

In terms of your last sentence I would agree completely that often that not companies release songs that they think will succeed and sometimes it will pay off and other times it won't - for a nugu group it is just a matter of luck and timing.

I've said it before but if you come from the big4 (or had prior success) the GP are more likely to give your music a listen (even if they decide they don't like it) but for a nugu group - the GP will even give them a second thought

if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around - does it make a sound?

if a nugu group releases a great song but nobody listens to it - is it still a good song?

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about quality. unfortunatly not all groups have great vocalists or outstanding visuals. Kaachi for example. Not all groups have the endurance to get trough several years of hardship until they reach their breakthrough. Solia for example disbanded after 5 days. But in most cases its the company who lacks quality. mostly they simply dont have the funds to deliver everything in high quality. Promotion, mv, hair, makeup, clothes, coordination, song, choreo somewere along the line the smaller company usually have to cut some costs. Or they need to much time and fans dont want to waith 1,5 years for every comeback when the big group can put out a comeback every 3 month. furthermore if a top company failed to hit the top they just double the promo and reach so they still find enough people who like a mediocre song.

you absolutly right there a most likely many groups that worked their butts off more so than successful groups(i have never seen big4 groups do guerilla promo for month in the streets) and still didnt see one iota of success. but that doesnt count for all nugu groups. many are. but not every nugu group is as talented and hard working as the top groups.

even if the top groups are all on the top due to their lineage. it would be ignorant to say they dont have a certain standart of quality.

yes, to a certain degree you can measure the quality of a song unrelated to the amount of people listen to it. but thats a job for the professionals like producer, music critics etc.

im not reading those 9 pages.

doesnt h2h need to debut first befor they can copy anyone?

does have newjeans a copyright on posing as cool young girls?

is everyone posing as cool young girl copying newjeans?

isnt newjeans copying 4minute?

i hope h2h copys heart2heart from 4minute.

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Virtual bands are actually really old.

At one point The Gorillaz, started in 1998, were one of the biggest groups in the world. They were 4 cartoon characters, but 4 real musical artists actually performing them. They toured, did concerts and festivals etc. They are also rad as all hell.

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oh your right. i know gorillaz. i would not say biggest groups in the world. but my country was one of the 3 countries they group reached the top of the charts.^^ i even saw them mabye ten years ago. but they are several more real musicians who also change from tour to tour. the difference is that the musicians are known. but you are right. at the start they only had these comic figures on screens.^^

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Yes so they are performing in a room live, and it gets projected on a screen that looks 3D

at least they doing it live. so they can interact with the audience.

i guess i prefer to watch idols in flesh and blood tho.

but i can see the advantage in such groups. its probably much easier to replace the artist in case they pull a newjeans.

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They do have their own concerts

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im not sure. that looks like a screen. isnt that more like public viewing?

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There are 5. Fans actually know who they are and they don't need to prove to you that they are real

i wonder which day6 member is secretly part of plave?